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[Iakus]

Personally, I think there's many reasons to use social media and few to use this mode of communication. First, social media doesn't cost a dime. Second, social media can be regulated and controlled to a certain extent. Third, the forum is complex with complex interactions which require resources and attention. Of which Bioware has limited its resources and attention to respond too. Finally, Bioware doesn't have a direction for this form of communication.

But that's just my opinion... I'm more than willing to be wrong. Would love to be wrong. Bring it.

Even if the devs want to use social media instead of posting here, fine.

 

But why kick us to the curb when there's a thriving community of players who want to TALK TO EACH OTHER?

 

The moderation could be better, obviously, but why nuke the baby with the bathwater?

[LastFadingSmile]

Jos Hendricks from the Edmonton studio has an account over at the new BSN site, to 'listen'. I mean, that's fine, but man, it's such a shame there isn't one single, centralised forum that Bioware staff could visit and 'listen', instead of having to make accounts at various fan sites. On that point, staff will be making accounts at the various splinter fan sites they've forced people out to, won't they? I mean, that only seems balanced (and necessary if the company line about 'caring about fans' and 'valuing feedback' actually means anything.)

 

[von uber]

Once again, this is a reminder to please obey the site rules and not derail this thread. While the boards are closing, that does not mean the rules are no longer in effect. Nor is it a reason to act in a discourteous or disruptive manner towards your fellow posters.

I'm sorry, but you have basically told every single member here - all owners and fans of bioware products, note - that their opinion, views, dedication, 'fandom' for want of a better word is pointless and unwanted and you expect them to still be mindful of the rules and not derail a topic?

There are 24 days left of this forum, and a few months before its entire existence- including some 5000 posts by me, larger dedicated to celebrating these games in a friendly and positive way possible along with many others - is gone.

Why would people care? Bioware plainly don't. I understand you are only the messenger, but if a company can really annoy and ****** of a 36 yr old father of two who has spent quite a a lot of money and their free time buying and promoting the ganes through their posts then i would suggest you may be doing the wrong thing here.

I was interested in andromeda, mainly through the posts and discussions here.
That has now likely been relegated to 'oh, it came out last year? Might check it out.' I sm certainly going to be unlikely to be cross posting on other forum about it either.

Bravo bioware, bravo.

[Dermain]

I'm finding it way too amusing that you of all people post a pic of a guy in a bra

 

I am disappointed that you broke character.

 

Considering that this is neither the topic nor the focus of this thread, yes, that is off-topic.

You are welcome to have those discussions in other threads dedicated to those topics.

 

Which you will then lock or delete for being Off Topic.

[Hainkpe]

ven if the devs want to use social media instead of posting here, fine.
 
But why kick us to the curb when there's a thriving community of players who want to TALK TO EACH OTHER?
 
THe moderation could be better, obviously, but why nuke the baby with the bathwater?

Hate to write it but cost versus benefit ratio. Keeping the forum even in an archived state takes resources and attention. Things break and thing go bust. That means staff have to be devoted to its maintenance. From what we as the fans have seen the powers that be, where ever or who ever they are, don't want to expend those resources or attention. Why? Why would you. If there's no direction then there's no reason to sink in more resources.

Why anger the fans? Again, what's the risk? A few hundred to maybe a thousand? It's a risk but with little downside. Spin it to say we are being more responsive on an individual basis aka social media. Personal connection and the like. That personal connection breeds recommendations and in the end brings in money. It's consumer psychology at its simplest forms.

[SnakeCode]

Hey Conal, if it's TL;DR, I can simplify the question.

 

What is the reasoning for erasing the entire forum in October?

[Draining Dragon]

Hey Conal, if it's TL;DR, I can simplify the question.
 
What is the reasoning for erasing the entire forum in October?

Yes.

[BansheeOwnage]

We are still very committed to actively engaging our community. Through both social media, at live events, as well as through community run sites, we will continue to solicit feedback and listen to what our players are saying.

Our community has always be a cornerstone of how and why we make games, and we will continue to engage and listen to what you are saying.

I love how you continue to mention live events, as if it's somehow feasible for people to go to them to talk to the devs, and perhaps more egregiously, that they could somehow be used as an alternative to a forum.

 

You know, if you want us to actually believe your community is your "cornerstone", closing the community forum probably isn't the best idea.

 

You are absolutely right on that point. As the years have gone by we have been spending more time on other sites and spaces and less time on our own boards. This was unfair to those of you who use our forums.

We took a hard look at how we were engaging our community, and made the difficult decision to focus on fostering conversations in these new spaces, and to close our forums.

The fact that people go here to discuss games with each other, and get useful information, not talk to the devs, is still being completely ignored. But admitting that admits that this place still has merit and that your reasoning is deeply flawed, so I can see why.

 

Trying to spin this into something we should be appreciative over makes Bioware look incredibly callous and insincere.

 

I don't expect a response or anything, but some things need to be said. And believe it or not I'm not trying to be rude or point the finger at any specific people, since I don't know who exactly is responsible for this, but I can't let this level of disrespect to the community go unanswered.

[Grieving Natashina]

Guys, please don't shoot the messenger. He's just doing his job, one that's hurt and angered a lot of people. Conal isn't "BioWare," he works for them. I'm very upset at the people that decided this was the best way to move forward, and I know most of us are too. Don't take it out on him, please.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Jos Hendricks from the Edmonton studio has an account over at the new BSN site, to 'listen'. I mean, that's fine, but man, it's such a shame there isn't one single, centralised forum that Bioware staff could visit and 'listen', instead of having to make accounts at various fan sites. On that point, staff will be making accounts at the various splinter fan sites they've forced people out to, won't they? I mean, that only seems balanced (and necessary if the company line about 'caring about fans' and 'valuing feedback' actually means anything.)

 

 

I don't even know what you're talking about. I have never heard of no singular, centralised forum where BioWare staff could possibly come to "listen" to the opinions of their fans. 

 

Sarcasm aside, I guess the sentiment is nice, but it's just another reminder of how the fans that reside at BioWares official forum don't really matter. 

[o Ventus]

I love how you continue to mention live events, as if it's somehow feasible for people to go to them to talk to the devs, and perhaps more egregiously, that they could somehow be used as an alternative to a forum.

 

I really like that they specifically mention SDCC and PAX.

 

You know, those same events that sell out of tickets within 20 minutes of them going on sale, and resale tickets go for hundreds of dollars on sites like eBay. And even if by some unholy miracle you get your hands on a ticket, the events themselves are held in some of the most expensive cities in the nation, so just staying there is prohibitively expensive for a 3-day visit unless you REALLY save or come from money.

[Rifneno]

Guys, please don't shoot the messenger. He's just doing his job, one that's hurt and angered a lot of people. Conal isn't "BioWare," he works for them. I'm very upset at the people that decided this was the best way to move forward, and I know most of us are too. Don't take it out on him, please.

If you think they're "taking it out on him", you must not have been around to see the replies when Priestly and Gaider openly mocked the forum closing.

[sandalisthemaker]

Ugh, I've long accepted that you devs don't come around here any more.  That's not what makes this place great.  It's all the discussions that go on between us fans that make this place so much fun. It is mind boggling that the same line of "we care and are listening to our fans" keeps being used over and over, yet all the while there is a finger hovering over the button.

 

Bring on the nukes.  I will bask in the dazzling light show. 

[o Ventus]

Guys, please don't shoot the messenger. He's just doing his job, one that's hurt and angered a lot of people. Conal isn't "BioWare," he works for them. I'm very upset at the people that decided this was the best way to move forward, and I know most of us are too. Don't take it out on him, please.

 

Nobody is taking anything out on Conal, unless making fun of his PR responses is taking something out.

[CHRrOME]

Hey Conal, if it's TL;DR, I can simplify the question.

 

What is the reasoning for erasing the entire forum in October?

 

I doubt he has the authority to answer that in a honest way.

[Hainkpe]

Now that is a quandary. Why are Bioware staff jumping onto the fan sites? It's not in their off time and it's not through appropriately identified channels. I suspect it says something about the BSN itself or I'm paranoid. Which is true. Still, I find it odd yet intriguing that staff are doing that.

[Addictress]

Now that is a quandary. Why are Bioware staff jumping onto the fan sites? It's not in their off time and it's not through appropriately identified channels. I suspect it says something about the BSN itself or I'm paranoid. Which is true. Still, I find it odd yet intriguing that staff are doing that.

Which fan forum did Jos jump to?

[Rifneno]

Ugh, I've long accepted that you devs don't come around here any more.  That's not what makes this place great.  It's all the discussions that go on between us fans that make this place so much fun. It is mind boggling that the same line of "we care and are listening to our fans" keeps being used over and over, yet all the while there is a finger hovering over the button.

Yo dawg, I'm worried about the forum getting nuked someday. So I build machines to nuke the forum so no one nukes the forum.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

Which fan forum did Jos jump to?

Cyonan's.

[mrs_anomaly]

I really like that they specifically mention SDCC and PAX.

 

You know, those same events that sell out of tickets within 20 minutes of them going on sale, and resale tickets go for hundreds of dollars on sites like eBay. And even if by some unholy miracle you get your hands on a ticket, the events themselves are held in some of the most expensive cities in the nation, so just staying there is prohibitively expensive for a 3-day visit.

 

I don't think BSN populace in general is fooled by the "come to live events and cons!" options anymore than we are with the detours to twitter, tumblr, reddit and facebook. 

 

Even if money is no object there is the requirement that a person be willing to go to a Con. I have zero desire to go to a Con for the most part. Not because I scoff at it- but I have a busy RL (I'm online a lot right now bc I'm injured and cannot walk for awhile), and I can't just gallivant across the country (as I imagine most adults have this same issue) because family vacations > going to a Con that only I would even have a glimmer of enjoyment from. 

 

Anyway if you wanted to make a Venn diagram, only a very small portion of fans would want to go to a Con due to various reasons, and even among those, only a certain amount will even be able to afford it. 

 

So maybe five people will go! 

[LastFadingSmile]

I think it sadly lends credence to the idea that nuking these forums is exactly as selfish and cynical as many here suspected it to be--Andromeda's coming, and Bioware can't stand the sight of the critical monster they helped to create, and want to erase all trace that it ever existed. 

[Hainkpe]

Which fan forum did Jos jump to?

The New BSN.

[Grieving Natashina]

If you think they're "taking it out on him", you must not have been around to see the replies when Priestly and Gaider openly mocked the forum closing.

Um, I did. In fact, I've read all 165 pages of this thread. Neither of those men work for the company anymore. I was...unhappy to say the very least. I will never buy another book, video game, comic or piece of media that David Gaider creates in his future projects. I have boycotted very few things or people in my life, because it's easy to be a hypocrite about the matter. He made me that angry.

Priestly has been...caustic for years, so this is just the usual two-faced stuff he pulls.

That doesn't change my point. As the Dude would say, (censored a bit,) "Don't Be a Jerk."

Note: I'm not calling you a jerk. It's a general statement, I promise. If I was to give you (or anyone) an insult, I would be direct and honest about it.

[FieryDove]

I don't remember that at all, but then I loved NWN at release. I don't think I complained about anything until patch 3 when they broke friendly fire.

Luckily, back then you got to choose which version of the game you ran, so I ran NWN 1.02 for years.

 

I really enjoyed the expansions/fan made modules. I also really miss being about to play the version/patch # of my choosing. That seems to have gone the way of the dodo. sigh

[ygrek30]

I doubt he has the authority to answer that in a honest way.

So a simple "i'm not allowed, please leave me alone" would suit very well