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[Hainkpe]

What I'd like to know is why August 26th? Why that date? Why not just give 10 days or less notice then shutter the forum?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Guys, please don't shoot the messenger. He's just doing his job, one that's hurt and angered a lot of people. Conal isn't "BioWare," he works for them. I'm very upset at the people that decided this was the best way to move forward, and I know most of us are too. Don't take it out on him, please.

I don't think anyone is going after him personally, I certainly wasn't and hope it didn't look as such. But more pointing out the ridiculousness of the entire situation, which everybody here sees. At the end of the day, the messaging from BioWare is "we love our community here but our developers mostly dislike our community here, so we're going to destroy it forever to save on bandwidth and server costs".

People understandably want more honest reasoning to justify the decision. It won't matter either way, because the decision is made and won't be reversed. But a lot of people are invested here and need that closure. Not me personally, but I do find BioWare's messaging to be hilariously bad.

[mrs_anomaly]

I find it interesting that some Bio folks are joining alternatives. I mean it makes sense to me that they might enjoy it too. But at this point all I've gathered from screen caps, tweets and blog posts is Bioware's barely veiled contempt for its fans that frequent this forum. 

 

I still love Bioware, I'm just seriously disappointed but I cannot say enough that this decision is effecting my perspective about gaming moving forward. Bioware is the company I have spent the most time with in my lifetime for gaming. What happens moving forward will determine whether I personally continue gaming or not. 

 

Well there's always the new God of War, Zero Dawn Horizon and No Man's sky though. 

[ygrek30]

I counted three devs on the new BSN already, but only one introduced himself so far. I suppose 3 sets of ears can listen better than one.

 

Not really surprising though, I long suspected they have at least one employee present wherever and whenever a group of people online mentions Bioware products. I know for a fact there's one on the Dragon Age - Alistair Fan Club group on Facebook.

 

Conal, you should join the new forum too. Ditch the mod mantle and come have some fun!

So BioWare gets exactly what it want :

- A place to get feedbacks without even searching for them on the internet

- Someone makes their job of moderation

- Everything is recreated like here, so they have also not any effort to do to keep the lore intact

 

It was a great way to throw us out and to ensure we will be dumb enough to give them what they want (ok my English is poorer when i'm upset - not against you darksnow)

[Iakus]

Not wanting to pay the server and bandwidth costs for a dead forum, perhaps?

Monetary issues are not the reason.  Apparently.  

[ModernAcademic]

I am asking you politely to be kind to one another. Whether or not the boards are closing should not factor into your decision to be decent to other people.

I am not asking people not to be upset, as I understand and respect that they are.

 

Mr. Pierce, this is exactly why I'm waiting until the deadline to decide to which forums I'll go.

 

It's been less than a week ever since the BSN's closure has been announced and we have witnessed a lot of infighting between users in this thread.

 

There's been tantrums and meaningless name-calling, both here and, unbelievably, in some of the suggested alternate forums. I've read pages and pages of threads elsewhere where there's nothing but gossip about users A, B or C. They're not focused on talking about videogames. Just fighting for the sake of fighting. Where's the discussion about game content? Or another topic people DO seek forums to discuss?

 

I have one or two places in mind where things have been calm and members have been respectful. If anything good came out of the announcement, it was to show what part of the community is really interested in talking about the games and which part is not.

[TheRealJayDee]

Okay, this is so ironic and so Bioware as I've come to know it over the last years. After they offed the Off-Topic section I mostly stopped coming here, because I had no basis on which to discuss DA:I or enough interest to talk about ME:A. But then, just last week, I finally bought myself a PS4, and since the digital version of the DA:I:GOTY edition was reasonably priced I got it as my first new game.

 

And wouldn't you know it, I'm now 25-30 hours in and I really like it so far, warts and all (probably helps that I've some distance to DA:O, DA2 and the whole ME3 experience now). So I decided to come here after a long time of absence to be positive for once, and on-topic, and to tell folks I'm having a good time with the game. And to maybe, at a later point, read up on, contribute to or start discussions about it.

 

Yeah, about that...

[MrsFlyingKebab]

So BioWare gets exactly what it want :
- A place to get feedbacks without even searching for them on the internet
- Someone makes their job of moderation
- Everything is recreated like here, so they have also not any effort to do to keep the lore intact

It was a great way to throw us out and to ensure we will be dumb enough to give them what they want (ok my English is poorer when i'm upset - not against you darksnow)

It crossed my mind too.

Cake. Have. Eat it.

I am annoyed and i like having AND eating cake.

Edit: because i really am quite miffed, AND you made me think of cake, but i have to say that the whole situation is just complete and utter spermatozoa in seminal fluid produced during solo operations.

[o Ventus]

I find it interesting that some Bio folks are joining alternatives. I mean it makes sense to me that they might enjoy it too. But at this point all I've gathered from screen caps, tweets and blog posts is Bioware's barely veiled contempt for its fans that frequent this forum. 

 

 

I'm going to tinfoil-hat here for a second and propose an idea: some of the devs registering on these new forums are lurking around for people and/or posts they deem "toxic" or otherwise negative to show how stupid we are. I mean, they make it perfectly clear they hate us on this site, and if they know we're congregating elsewhere, why would they suddenly stop?

[DragonKingReborn]

I know some of you will have found other places to hang out - if such a thing is of interest to you - but here is one that seems to show some promise.

 

http://bsn.boards.net/

[phagus]

Hate to write it but cost versus benefit ratio. Keeping the forum even in an archived state takes resources and attention. Things break and thing go bust. That means staff have to be devoted to its maintenance. From what we as the fans have seen the powers that be, where ever or who ever they are, don't want to expend those resources or attention. Why? Why would you. If there's no direction then there's no reason to sink in more resources.

Why anger the fans? Again, what's the risk? A few hundred to maybe a thousand? It's a risk but with little downside. Spin it to say we are being more responsive on an individual basis aka social media. Personal connection and the like. That personal connection breeds recommendations and in the end brings in money. It's consumer psychology at its simplest forms.

You maybe right. But my gut is telling me this is more about wiping the slate clean, like others have said. Perhaps because they are about to give more info about ME:A and they don't want to deal with our usual reaction. It gives me a bad feeling about ME:A and the continued existence of the Bioware brand.

[Rawgrim]

It's Origin Systems all over again.

 

Those Glassdoor reviews pretty much explain the exodus of key people in the ME4 project. It sounds like the whole place is plagued by a culture of uncertainty and fear.

 

Yes it is. The same thing happened to Origin. It is almost chilling how similar the whole thing is.

 

Bioware is the name for the next DRM client EA comes up with?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I'm going to tinfoil-hat here for a second and propose an idea: some of the devs registering on these new forums are lurking around for people and/or posts they deem "toxic" or otherwise negative to show how stupid we are. I mean, they make it perfectly clear they hate us on this site, and if they know we're congregating elsewhere, why would they suddenly stop?

Doubt that heavily unless they're the type to already virtue signal on twitter by quoting random forum posts that are considered WrongThink.

IIRC, brojo signed up on VSN when it first started up then never posted again. It's likely that individual devs ride on the massive wave of enthusiasm caused by the creation of new communities and plan to drop by, but then forget about it for whatever reason. But that's just my opinion.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I really enjoyed the expansions/fan made modules. I also really miss being about to play the version/patch # of my choosing. That seems to have gone the way of the dodo. sigh

It's endlessly irritating.

You can stop installing updates, but you can't rollback, and you can't choose stop anywhere other than the current version at that time.

Steam and Origin both do this, and it's infuriating.

[JobacNoor]

I'm going to tinfoil-hat here for a second and propose an idea: some of the devs registering on these new forums are lurking around for people and/or posts they deem "toxic" or otherwise negative to show how stupid we are. I mean, they make it perfectly clear they hate us on this site, and if they know we're congregating elsewhere, why would they suddenly stop?

 

Don't go full Alex Jones.

[LastFadingSmile]

It's likely that individual devs ride on the massive wave of enthusiasm caused by the creation of new communities and plan to drop by, but then forget about it for whatever reason. But that's just my opinion.

 

That may well be the case. Honestly, I don't care what they do or where they hang out, except that it does come as a bitter pill right now when we're being told in this very announcement to use sites like Reddit, Tumblr, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram because those, presumably, are the places the devs prefer to use--yet they're signing up for the splinter groups that only exist because of this one closing.

 

It's not that forums are a dated medium and social media is the future.

 

It's that they don't want to come to this forum specifically. And so they're razing it to the ground.

[Rawgrim]

Remember when DA:I came out and I said EA would do the same stuff to Bioware as they did to Origins, Bullfrog, Westwood etc? I got bashed for it rather severely by fanboys.

 

 

Well...Told you so.

[darksnow]

So BioWare gets exactly what it want :

- A place to get feedbacks without even searching for them on the internet

- Someone makes their job of moderation

- Everything is recreated like here, so they have also not any effort to do to keep the lore intact

 

It was a great way to throw us out and to ensure we will be dumb enough to give them what they want (ok my English is poorer when i'm upset - not against you darksnow)

 

Nah, don't worry. But apparently they have been doing this for some time. 

 

I just wish they'd reconsider. Or at least help those people who are trying to save the projects, mods, Toolset etc. and say if they can be archived, here or elsewhere. Instead we are treated to CIA-like statements, as usual. I know it's not Conal's fault. It's just what they always do. We can neither confirm nor deny you can save our hosted mods, or that the game is in production, or that we hate you and don't want you here.

The frustration, on top of the disappointment, is reaching new peaks.

 

But mega kudos to Nexus for sending people over here and help. From now on if I ever feel the need for a Bioware t-shirt or plushie I'll remember and donate to them instead.

[Rifneno]

That may well be the case. Honestly, I don't care what they do or where they hang out, except that it does come as a bitter pill right now when we're being told in this very announcement to use sites like Reddit, Tumblr, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram because those, presumably, are the places the devs prefer to post--yet they're signing up for the splinter groups that only exist because of this one closing.
 
It's not that forums are a dated medium and social media is the future.
 
It's that they don't want to come to this forum specifically. And so they're razing it to the ground.

Or the ones that are checking out the splinter groups are not the ones who got their panties in a bunch and demanded the forum be closed. Maybe they even disagree with the decision but can't say it publicly.

[Grieving Natashina]

That may well be the case. Honestly, I don't care what they do or where they hang out, except that it does come as a bitter pill right now when we're being told in this very announcement to use sites like Reddit, Tumblr, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram because those, presumably, are the places the devs prefer to post--yet they're signing up for the splinter groups that only exist because of this one closing.

It's not that forums are a dated medium and social media is the future.

It's that they don't want to come to this forum specifically. And so they're razing it to the ground.

I hate to say it, but this isn't a new thing. A few months back, a couple of BioWare devs were on IGN talking with fans about their ideas on how the ship is going to get to ME:A. They weren't revealing secrets, just taking part in the conversation.

The reddit aspect has been coming for quite some time as well. Another dev did an AMA (Ask Me Anything) about a year ago or so on reddit and there wasn't any word of it except for a brief mention in the twitter thread.

Okay, I'll probably be back here, but I'm getting emotional again. I think I'm going to play some FFIX or read my book and relax for a few.

[SofaJockey]

I counted three devs on the new BSN already, but only one introduced himself so far. ...

 

There are more than double that and the Twitter following is just as strong.

 

With some irony it may be safer for a dev to pop their head up relatively unnoticed on a fan forum,

than in the glare of light on the official forum where part of the audience is busy trying to wave the finger at BioWare.

 

This may yet foster good communication, but perhaps not as intended...

[Lady Artifice]

Don't go full Alex Jones.

 

After noticing your signature, I sincerely hope "BSN harder" is the official tagline for Cyonan's forum.

[LastFadingSmile]

Or the ones that are checking out the splinter groups are not the ones who got their panties in a bunch and demanded the forum be closed. Maybe they even disagree with the decision but can't say it publicly.

 

 

And that may well be the case as well. The bottom line is that we've all been thrown into an incredibly stupid situation for no compelling reason.

[Rifneno]

And that may well be the case as well. The bottom line is that we've all been thrown into an incredibly stupid situation for no compelling reason.

Definitely no argument there. =/

[Rawgrim]