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[Rifneno]

As a former Dark Age of Nerfalot player... I've gotta go. Can I have a moment alone with Mythic's tombstone?

[Hainkpe]

You maybe right. But my gut is telling me this is more about wiping the slate clean, like others have said. Perhaps because they are about to give more info about ME:A and they don't want to deal with our usual reaction. It gives me a bad feeling about ME:A and the continued existence of the Bioware brand.

I think it's not so much of wiping the slate clean as it is no longer wanting to deal with this particular community. The toxicity of the BSN has been referenced by a few outlets the latest was Forbes. Bioware created a community which it failed to moderate and has now grown into an area where it's not respected and has had very little to no interaction with. That can be interpreted as wiping the slate clean as well as wanting to end the situation.

[Rifneno]

I think it's not so much of wiping the slate clean as it is no longer wanting to deal with this particular community. The toxicity of the BSN has been referenced by a few outlets the latest was Forbes. Bioware created a community which it failed to moderate and has now grown into an area where it's not respected and has had very little to no interaction with. That can be interpreted as wiping the slate clean as well as wanting to end the situation.

That's not "wiping the slate clean" because that phrase means you start over again. Regardless, that doesn't explain deleting the records. There are only two possible explanations: dire financial straits or petty malice.

[BansheeOwnage]

Jos Hendricks from the Edmonton studio has an account over at the new BSN site, to 'listen'. I mean, that's fine, but man, it's such a shame there isn't one single, centralised forum that Bioware staff could visit and 'listen', instead of having to make accounts at various fan sites. On that point, staff will be making accounts at the various splinter fan sites they've forced people out to, won't they? I mean, that only seems balanced (and necessary if the company line about 'caring about fans' and 'valuing feedback' actually means anything.)

Nope. We have to go to the sites they listed, not the other way around, silly It doesn't matter how ineffective those sites actually are for having meaningful discussion, whether it be properly explaining well-thought-out constructive criticism, or simply having enough characters to explain a persistent bug you want a fix for. Not that they care anyway, since they're going to nuke the best source of archived information about their games out there, and the one easiest to find for new players.

 

Like others have said, they're shooting themselves in the foot by doing this.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Do you think that they will give us unlimited likes now that it doesn't really matter? Because I want the equivalent of being able smack everyone on the forehead with my approval for the next three weeks. 

[Hainkpe]

That's not "wiping the slate clean" because that phrase means you start over again. Regardless, that doesn't explain deleting the records. There are only two possible explanations: dire financial straits or petty malice.

I attribute it to a financial perspective. To keep an archived forum in place takes funding. There's no benefit to them only to the fans and only a few at that. So keep the info for a small amount if time then recoup. I can't attribute malice, incompetence perhaps but malice takes into consideration an emotional thought process directed at specific person or persons. I don't see the evidence of that. By evidence I mean specific rationales posted or reported and not interpretation.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Looking at the Bioware's official facebook profile....This shitstorm is worse than the ME3 one. People are ANGRY.

 

Lol, because people's posts can't be censored or deleted on there which is kind of poetic in a way. Now I kind of wish that I had a facebook so I can go be nosy. 

[Rawgrim]

I attribute it to a financial perspective. To keep an archived forum in place takes funding. There's no benefit to them only to the fans and only a few at that. So keep the info for a small amount if time then recoup. I can't attribute malice, incompetence perhaps but malice takes into consideration an emotional thought process directed at specific person or persons. I don't see the evidence of that. By evidence I mean specific rationales posted or reported and not interpretation.

 

If only a company like EA could afford it...

[panzerwzh]

A Bullfrog fan sends his regard.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Deleting the forum after shutting down is a dick move for some due to the information archived, but 100% reasonable and understandable.

If you aren't going to have the forum open, why waste money, time and resources keeping it up? EA is not a library.

[Rawgrim]

Deleting the forum after shutting down is a dick move for some due to the information archived, but 100% reasonable and understandable.

If you aren't going to have the forum open, why waste money, time and resources keeping it up? EA is not a library.

 

Yeah. Why keep information about how to get around bugs, how to make mods for games like NWN, and all kinds of stuff that supports their games around.

[Hainkpe]

If only a company like EA could afford it...

Afford? When capitalism and making money are the most important aspect when considering future directions for a company? Bottom line rules EA decision making. That's the reality of EA and now Bioware. As long as it makes sense to their bottom line.

[Rawgrim]

I was being sarcastic.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Yeah. Why keep information about how to get around bugs, how to make mods for games like NWN, and all kinds of stuff that supports their games around.

It's a treasure trove of good information that I really hope gets saved. But EA is under no obligation to keep it, especially when all financial benefit for keeping it (open forum) is stripped from the site. You're really expecting EA to act altruistically?

[panzerwzh]

Afford? When capitalism and making money are the most important aspect when considering future directions for a company? Bottom line rules EA decision making. That's the reality of EA and now Bioware. As long as it makes sense to their bottom line.

Even pure capitalism would not labeled their consumer base as 'toxic'.  So bottom line------it is a dick move.

[thedancingdruid]

You don't need a Facebook account you can still go there, I did.

[mrs_anomaly]

The point stands, very few people actually like this decision except:

1) A few bitter former employees of Bioware

2) People who have always hated this forum and still for some unknown reason hang out here, probably to hateread and hatepost.

3) The "execs" or unknown personas that made this decision.

 

Then there is the "meh" slice of the pie for people who long left after they stopped playing Bioware games. 

 

Then there is EVERYONE ELSE. People that never signed in that utilized this site for their own game play and fans that love it. 

 

Yep, still a very bad decision. 

[Rawgrim]

It's a treasure trove of good information that I really hope gets saved. But EA is under no obligation to keep it, especially when all financial benefit for keeping it (open forum) is stripped from the site. You're really expecting EA to act altruistically?

 

What they are doing right now is exactly what I expected them to do. History repeats itself and all that.

[BansheeOwnage]

Um, I did. In fact, I've read all 165 pages of this thread. Neither of those men work for the company anymore. I was...unhappy to say the very least. I will never buy another book, video game, comic or piece of media that David Gaider creates in his future projects. I have boycotted very few things or people in my life, because it's easy to be a hypocrite about the matter. He made me that angry.

Priestly has been...caustic for years, so this is just the usual two-faced stuff he pulls.

Wait, you mean... I'm not the only one who gets irked by those 2?    Holy crap! *dances* I always get denounced by most people whenever I bring up my disdain for them.

 

Do you think that they will give us unlimited likes now that it doesn't really matter? Because I want the equivalent of being able smack everyone on the forehead with my approval for the next three weeks. 

The cap seems raised. At least, I haven't run out yet, and I've been liking a lot more things than usual.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

What they are doing right now is exactly what I expected them to do. History repeats itself and all that.

On that, we agree. Past behaviour is a good indicator for future behaviour and I don't ever expect EA to change their ways.

[Rifneno]

The point stands, very few people actually like this decision except:
1) A few bitter former employees of Bioware
2) People who have always hated this forum and still for some unknown reason hang out here, probably to hateread and hatepost.
3) The "execs" or unknown personas that made this decision.
 
Then there is the "meh" slice of the pie for people who long left after they stopped playing Bioware games. 
 
Then there is EVERYONE ELSE. People that never signed in that utilized this site for their own game play and fans that love it. 
 
Yep, still a very bad decision.

I wish I could have 999 clones of myself, so I could like this 1000 times.
 

Wait, you mean, I'm not the only one who gets irked by those 2?    Holy crap! *dances* I always get denounced by most people whenever I bring up my disdain for them.

Priestly waddled in the first day and everyone was happy to see him, showering him with praise. Then he and Gaider openly mocked the forum closing on Twitter. Give it some time, they'll go back to loving them I'm quite sure.

[Rawgrim]

On that, we agree. Past behaviour is a good indicator for future behaviour and I don't ever expect EA to change their ways.

 

Games being rushed out before they are done.

 

Simplifying (dumbing down) gameplay to attract new customers.

 

Making promises and not keeping them.

 

False advertising.

 

Alienating the fans.

 

Damage control on the fallout.

 

Yes. This sound very, very familiar.

[Bryan Johnson]

Remember when DA:I came out and I said EA would do the same stuff to Bioware as they did to Origins, Bullfrog, Westwood etc? I got bashed for it rather severely by fanboys.

 

 

Well...Told you so.

You know different factors play

And then there's the not-so-obvious. "You've got the problem of what I call 'love abuse,'" Molyneux said. "When EA bought Bullfrog, they just wanted to make it nicer. They moved us to a nice office, where we couldn't shoot each other [with BB guns] in the corridors. We had an HR department because that was a nice proper professional thing to do. And that changes the flavor of the company."

 

http://kotaku.com/on...frog-1548092283

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Looking at the Bioware's official facebook profile....This shitstorm is worse than the ME3 one. People are ANGRY.

 

I was under the impression they wanted people to use other social media because it was easier for them to control the flow of negativity?

 

I mean, don't get me wrong, that theory is obviously flawed, but are you telling me they made this decision, but have decided to continue having an official facebook page that doesn't allow them to delete comments?

 

Wasn't that a bit of an oversight?

[Hainkpe]

Even pure capitalism would not labeled their consumer base as 'toxic'.  So bottom line------it is a dick move.

Lululemon blamed their customers bodies for the sheerness of the cloth which resulted in a huge controversy for the company. They eventually apologized, kinda.

Companies are run by people. People who can act and behave in incompetent ways. The blaming by either companies on their customers for problems was unjust yet both continued to sell. In the end, what does a dick move really result in? A few lost sales? EA will most likely make a profit on ME:A despite nuking the BSN. Because gamers will behave like the customers of Lululemon. They complained yet still bought the product.