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Is this a start of war between the fans and bioware ?

 

Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Fandom. The distribution of news and communication with outlying fan systems is in dispute.

Hoping to resolve the matter with a blockade of deadly administrators, the greedy Electronic Arts has stopped all posting to the small planet of BSN.

While the congress of the Social Media endlessly debates this alarming chain of events, the Supreme Poster has secretly dispatched two Forum Trolls, the guardians of mockery and sarcasm in the galaxy, to settle the conflict....


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Just want to remind people,don't use your BW/EA/Origins credentials on non-official BW/EA sites/forums.

I would like to add that Mail.com is a great place to go to make throwaway emails. It costs nothing and they don't require personal details such as a cell phone number. 



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I keep seeing the hardcore biodrones ironically attacking the community as being so 1637929035.gif toxic 1637929035.gif and I find myself wondering... how would that go if you did it in real life? Judging a large group of people like that... black people, for example.
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Does this mean that this bioware site "https://social.biowa...edeem_code.php"is going to be shut down as well or is it just the forums? I'm getting the impression that it's only the forums, but at this point I don't really have a clue :\

 

That's what I want to know too.

 

From Forbes http://www.forbes.co...a/#36bbad4a3019

 

The unspoken subtext here is that these other communities are often less toxic than BioWare’s forums. I know that word—toxic—is a bit of a hot-button one, and one person’s “toxicity” is another’s legitimate gripe. I also know that the BioWare forums were instrumental in the “Retake Mass Effect” movement several years ago.

Still, I can’t blame BioWare for shuttering the forums. There are plenty of other, perfectly serviceable places for fans to chat, gripe, and organize on the internet, from Twitter to reddit and so forth. The last thing BioWare needs to deal with when Mass Effect: Andromeda comes out is managing endless, angry forum posts.



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That's what I want to know too.
 
From Forbes http://www.forbes.co...a/#36bbad4a3019
 
The unspoken subtext here is that these other communities are often less toxic than BioWare’s forums. I know that word—toxic—is a bit of a hot-button one, and one person’s “toxicity” is another’s legitimate gripe. I also know that the BioWare forums were instrumental in the “Retake Mass Effect” movement several years ago.
Still, I can’t blame BioWare for shuttering the forums. There are plenty of other, perfectly serviceable places for fans to chat, gripe, and organize on the internet, from Twitter to reddit and so forth. The last thing BioWare needs to deal with when Mass Effect: Andromeda comes out is managing endless, angry forum posts.


Hacks.
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Oh, of course they are hacks to you.  What was said deosn't validate your griping.


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I keep seeing the hardcore biodrones ironically attacking the community as being so 1637929035.gif toxic 1637929035.gif and I find myself wondering... how would that go if you did it in real life? Judging a large group of people like that... black people, for example.

 

Reminds me of this:

 

 

Oh!


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Oh, of course they are hacks to you.  What was said deosn't validate your griping.


I don't need your permission to do anything. You mean less than nothing to me. And yes, they are hacks, because we have 100 pages explaining in detail why Twitter and Reddit aren't even close to acceptable replacements. Yet they claim them to be. Which means they didn't put any research or thought into their piece. Which means they're hacks.

Now I'm going to stop clicking on "View this anyway"'s of names I don't recognize. The Rif of years past seems to have had excellent judgment on who isn't worth bothering with again.
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Now I'm going to stop clicking on "View this anyway"'s of names I don't recognize. The Rif of years past seems to have had excellent judgment on who isn't worth bothering with again.

 

The funny part is that Erik Kain (from Forbes) was basically the BSN's biggest defender in the ME3 debacle. He wrote a good 20 articles or so, over the course of months, defending fans and calling out Bioware's duplicity.

 

So if he's changed his tune now, it's probably for the hits. Can't blame the guy - he got Forbes a metric ton of free traffic for a long time, despite only being a contributor.


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The funny part is that Erik Kain (from Forbes) was basically the BSN's biggest defender in the ME3 debacle. He wrote a good 20 articles or so, over the course of months, defending fans and calling out Bioware's duplicity.

 

So if he's changed his tune now, it's probably for the hits. Can't blame the guy - he got Forbes a metric ton of free traffic for a long time, despite only being a contributor.

People selling out their views and beliefs in the name of money? Vroom is shocked :P 



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That's what I want to know too.

 

From Forbes http://www.forbes.co...a/#36bbad4a3019

 

The unspoken subtext here is that these other communities are often less toxic than BioWare’s forums. I know that word—toxic—is a bit of a hot-button one, and one person’s “toxicity” is another’s legitimate gripe. I also know that the BioWare forums were instrumental in the “Retake Mass Effect” movement several years ago.

Still, I can’t blame BioWare for shuttering the forums. There are plenty of other, perfectly serviceable places for fans to chat, gripe, and organize on the internet, from Twitter to reddit and so forth. The last thing BioWare needs to deal with when Mass Effect: Andromeda comes out is managing endless, angry forum posts.

ugh. I like occasionally going to sites like Tumblr and Twitter, but those are not centralized discussion zones. 

 

It goes something like:

 

   Tumblr = fandom"scrapbooking" taken to the web instead of your Michael's store meet-up...

    Instagram= another online "scrapbooking" tool made for instant sharing and little permanence... Good luck finding a specific post you hearted six months back.

   Twitter =  quick information blurbs

    Reddit = temporary discussions that are quickly buried within a day or two. And then there's the issue with upvoting and downvoting, which is often abused and there is less user personalization.

    Facebook = This is where I go for my real life, day-to-day interactions with people and not hundreds of fans using various pseudonyms.


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The more annoying part about this is that Priestly said this in response to the Joe guy asking a legitimate question about what platform fans should use now that the BSN will be closing. 

 

Ummm, okay. Obviously the guy hadn't read the official post yet or he would have been scoffing over the suggestions in it like the rest of us have, so there was no reason for Priestly to even respond in the way that he did. I think he should just keep his nose out of this before he gives this whole thing even more of rank smell than it already has. 

 

I encountered him a few months after joining BSN. In that single experience, utterly unprovoked, I discovered that I was toxic, responsible for 90% of BioWare's problems, and that I was a bad enough human being that it justified talking down to me despite knowing literally nothing about me.

 

Strange experience when meeting your community manager for the first time.

 



I'm "that Joe guy." Didn't realize at the time who Chris Priestly was. Even knowing that, wouldn't change anything, including my response, which was: 

"Chris Priestly So... should Steam also close their forums to encourage users to look for "new opportunities", discourage them from dwelling on negatives and discourage them from criticizing without factual basis? How about Ubisoft, should they close their forums for the same reasons?"

 

I hope you're happy. You're the reason they had to close the forum!

 

Also, your post was more than 140 characters long.

 

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As much as I would prefer not to undermine my own joke, and as much as I believe sarcasm that is explained is ruined, I must point out to any who are inclined to moderate this as a personal attack that "Joe" is very aware that I am being sarcastic, and is extremely unlikely to feel personally attacked. I can't speak for the person I mention in the upper part of my post, but he made it clear he didn't like me, anyway, so the point doesn't likely matter.


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Yeah but have you ever seen anything THIS lewd?

 

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R...e...reported! SAVE ME BIOMODS FROM THE LEWDNESS!


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I encountered him a few months after joining BSN. In that single experience, utterly unprovoked, I discovered that I was toxic, responsible for 90% of BioWare's problems, and that I was a bad enough human being that it justified talking down to me despite knowing literally nothing about me.

 

Strange experience when meeting your community manager for the first time.

 

 

I hope you're happy. You're the reason they had to close the forum!

 

Also, your post was more than 140 characters long.

 

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As much as I would prefer not to undermine my own joke, and as much as I believe sarcasm that is explained is ruined, I must point out to any who are inclined to moderate this as a personal attack that "Joe" is very aware that I am being sarcastic, and is extremely unlikely to feel personally attacked. I can't speak for the person I mention in the upper part of my post, but he made it clear he didn't like me, anyway, so the point doesn't likely matter.

You left out 'making the moves on mousestalker's lovemod.'

 

I'd let you know what I think of that, but decorum forbids.

 

:D


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The funny part is that Erik Kain (from Forbes) was basically the BSN's biggest defender in the ME3 debacle. He wrote a good 20 articles or so, over the course of months, defending fans and calling out Bioware's duplicity.

 

So if he's changed his tune now, it's probably for the hits. Can't blame the guy - he got Forbes a metric ton of free traffic for a long time, despite only being a contributor.

 

I was surprised at that to. 

 

After finding out that pulling the forums has nothing to do with cost and that they were close to pulling the forums during the ME3 ending & PR farce. It seems that Bioware just don't want to risk that kind of full force criticism again.

I have a feeling that ME Andromeda is not going to go down to well with ME fans and I think they know it (Hope I'm wrong). So, easy option, pull the forums. 

I don't have twitter or facebook & I don't like Reddit. It looks like any future problems I have with a Bioware game, I'm going to be scouring the internet for an answer, as EA support are rubbish.


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Daily reminder about Cyonan's efforts to rebuild BSN:

The New BSN

And here are three other forums to consider moving to.

Top Shelf Gaming

Vroom Social Network

Real Dragon Age Fans

You can always join multiple forums, if you don't want to make a choice.


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That's what I want to know too.

 

From Forbes http://www.forbes.co...a/#36bbad4a3019

 

The unspoken subtext here is that these other communities are often less toxic than BioWare’s forums. I know that word—toxic—is a bit of a hot-button one, and one person’s “toxicity” is another’s legitimate gripe. I also know that the BioWare forums were instrumental in the “Retake Mass Effect” movement several years ago.

Still, I can’t blame BioWare for shuttering the forums. There are plenty of other, perfectly serviceable places for fans to chat, gripe, and organize on the internet, from Twitter to reddit and so forth. The last thing BioWare needs to deal with when Mass Effect: Andromeda comes out is managing endless, angry forum posts.

Perhaps they should focus on making a game that does NOT anger the consumers who paid for said game... instead of squashing the criticism.

 

This would be like someone focusing on shutting down a YELP review site full of negative reviews of bad food rather than improving the food they deliver.

 

And if Bioware thinks this is bad, they really should take a look at what happens when social media, twitter, reddit, facebook, youtube turn against a company or product. The narrative is uncontrolled and extremely damaging.

 

I don't think Bioware realizes what they're signing themselves up to if their main channels of communication are social media.


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Solas Thread officially threw its lot in with Cyonan's BSN.
 
Solas, on 03 Aug 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:
 

Before the fall of the Blanketfort, even before the Blanketfort itself, the civilization of the BioWare Social Network community stretched across all of the internet like a great, indolent cat.
 
Before the BioWare Mods were named or numbered, our people were glorious and eternal and never-changing. Like the great oak tree, they were constant in their trolling, strong in their favorite romances, and ever reaching for the next game.
 
They felt no need to rush when life was endless. They worshiped their favorite characters for months at a time. Decisions came after pages of lore debate, and a discussion thread could last for years. From time to time, our ancestors would drift into months-long periods of inactivity between games, but this was not death, for we know they wandered the Twitter thread in lurkdom.
 
In those ages, our people called all the land BSN, which in the old Tumblr language means "place of toxic cesspools." And at the center of the world stood the great fort of Blankets, a place of knowledge and debate, where the best of the ancient posters would go to trade knowledge, greet old friends, and settle disputes that had gone on for months.
 
But while our ancestors were caught up in the forever cycle of game releases, drifting through life at what we today would consider an intolerable pace, the world outside the lush hair request threads and ancient topics was changing...
 
It is said that the corporate overlords used their great destructive power to force the very ground to swallow BSN whole, destroying eons of collected knowledge, culture, and art.
 
There, see the announcement thread at BioWare Forum/BSN Help. Gaze upon its lack of logic and marketspeak, built on the broken dreams of a people. Our people.
 
The human prophet AndragonRacer was a slave in the Bioimperium, as our ancestors were. When she rose up against them, we rose up with her. Together we fought for freedom. In gratitude and kinship, AndragonRacer promised the Blanketelves a new land: the BSN Boards.
 

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Some of us believe that Hrungr'ghilan, the Pathfinder, the golden halligator, comes to the People in times of great need. Legends also tell of Cyonan'Din and his twin brother SofaJocken. Cyonan'Din had no fear of the darknet and would walk where the People could not live. The twins were inseparable spirits from account creation to the present. The kindly Cyonan'Din took pity on a dying forum and carried her to rest beyond the reach of EA. He vowed that he would remain to guide all the dead to their place Beyond. Since then Cyonan'Din accompanied by his brother guided posters on their journey to the BSN Boards.
 
So we walked. We walked with what little we had on our backs. Some walked without post histories, for they had none. Whole subcommunities, Threaddads with infants, the old and young alike--all of them made their way across the net on foot. Many perished along the way. Some died of exhaustion, others simply gave up and fell by the wayside. A great number were set upon by modbandits, even though we made few infractions. Some turned back towards the Bioperium. But most of us continued walking. And the gods rewarded those of us who did not waver by bringing us to the BSN Boards.
 

"Only sixty-five of our group made it to Halamshiral. Some gave up. Some got sick of the bulls**t, especially the little ones. Modbandits stalked us. Threadfather forgive me, I had to post memes. Another poster fought me for extra scraps of BioWare's attention. A few days later, I carried her for miles after her legs gave out. She died shivering in my arms.


I used to have a master, a games studio. He fed me well, never beat me, even taught me how to RP so I could play his games. But if he had some artistic license or an awesome button he wanted to test out, he'd get out his community managers, have the other servants tie me to a post, and carve furrows into my heart and wallet. I was so afraid. Every time, I was sure I would die. But at worst I'd have a meltdown on-forum, get bandaged up, and lie in a single thread too weak to move for days. The other slaves visited me in secret to survey the damage. I'd heal just enough before he needed blood again. That is why I traveled from the BioWare Forum to the BSN Boards with nothing but rags on my back.

That is why there were one hundred and five of us when we set out, all elven. That is why I fell to my knees and wept when we crossed through the gates of my new home, a village for my people."

 

— Anonymous account of the Long Walk, as told to the leader of the Dreadfort, circa August 2016


 

:P  :ph34r:


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And if Bioware thinks this is bad, they really should take a look at what happens when social media, twitter, reddit, facebook, youtube turn against a company or product. The narrative is uncontrolled and extremely damaging.

 

I don't think Bioware realizes what they're signing themselves up to if their main channels of communication are social media.

 

Yep. If a potentially-damaging story starts (namely, a mass exodus of key employees or negativity regarding Andromeda), it's going to be much more difficult to curb negativity. Aside from the already-mentioned pitfalls associated with trying to leverage a conversation with players on social platforms that are ideally suited to bite-size morsels of content, there's no way a social media coordinator is going to be able to handle an avalanche of bad press.

 

You can spam all the merchandise Facebook posts you want, but if you're embroiled in a controversy and bad press is spilling over, Facebook is basically the last place you want it to be seen. No one in their right mind is going to be able to keep up with the flood of negativity.



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That is because negativity is louder. Or maybe it is all the media's fault.

I have not heard one positive thing about The Olympics. It is all protesters with boo-hoo we haven't been paid, and cops warning people who come to the games that they're in danger because there isn't enough security, and how some Chinese athlete had his wallet stolen already, and how the Japanese uniforms have special mosquito repellent fabric built in, and how if a swimmer drinks three teaspoonfuls of the pool water they will definitely get a virus...the Appocolympics they are calling it. If I wanted good news I would have to search for it.

WELL GUESS WHAT? I did that here on these forums. There is a thread started by none other than Chris Priestly introducing the community to Fenris that has over 2,000 pages. Over 2,000 pages for a character in a game, a game that supposedly most people don't like, a game whose very reaction to it is being touted as one of the reasons these forums are closing. Did they simply ignore the other thousands of pages, two of which I just pointed to you are in one thread alone?

Maybe I am not the negative one here, maybe BioWare is...afterall it is their completely NEGATIVE response to not only close down but completely erase the very forums that have all of these great pages just because of the few that spoke the loudest. The true tragedy is they didn't bother to search.


Not quite. Negativity is generally seen as a more powerful message than one that is positive. Some say it can take 10 compliments to off set a single criticism for an avg individual. On forums such as this, the negatives are louder simply because they become more concentrated.

I am quite certain that the extreme negatives dealing with DA2 came from a vast minority of the community, yet here it could be seen more profoundly, as well as the effects. More negative voices? No, but seemingly louder given the events that happened.

On this thread, the negatives may outweigh the positives. And in Bioware's case, I do hope that they will search and find the gems amongst the refuse, but I doubt they will.

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The Idea and Toxicity.

 

The Idea is a commodity for projects of the creative mind. How the Idea is handled, channeled, reduced, refined, realized and it's products recycled are all important to its continuation and regrowth.

Toxins are byproducts of diseased minds that have been influenced by and feed off the Idea product but don't add value or longevity to the project.



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I am quite certain that the extreme negatives dealing with DA2 came from a vast minority of the community, yet here it could be seen more profoundly, as well as the effects. More negative voices? No, but seemingly louder given the events that happened.

 

Maybe, but that was only because DA only had one other game at that point. DA2 was routinely mocked on most enthusiast forums and news sites, as discussed earlier. 

 

However, ME3 was most decidedly not a minority. It was such a huge problem that sites like CNN and The New Yorker were covering it. It had media impressions from large publications worldwide. Some of the earliest polls had up to a million votes, with nearly-unanimous condemnation of the ending itself.


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Oh...my...elven ears, Solas...That was beautiful.
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I'm afraid I'll start to believe in people that I always have regarded as failed Cassandras.



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I attribute it to a financial perspective. To keep an archived forum in place takes funding. There's no benefit to them only to the fans and only a few at that. So keep the info for a small amount if time then recoup. I can't attribute malice, incompetence perhaps but malice takes into consideration an emotional thought process directed at specific person or persons. I don't see the evidence of that. By evidence I mean specific rationales posted or reported and not interpretation.

 

It's not just a few fans, though. Not once you take into account all those people who scoured the threads for answers to 'help desk' type questions. Just because everybody doesn't post doesn't mean the forums aren't used. Maybe an archive costs money, but is it more money than additional help personnel or a new help library? I do not consider myself an avid poster, in fact, except for the last few days I consider myself about 65-70% lurker or browser, and much of that to find answers to questions.

 

How good are you at carrying on a discussion in 140 characters?   ;)

 

Not very. Recently I decided to tweet a pre-announcement post, a short one. Took 18 tweets to get it all . . . I'm probably blocked now but I don't know for sure.

 

Just want to remind people,don't use your BW/EA/Origins credentials on non-official BW/EA sites/forums.

 

Color me clueless but I don't know what you mean by credentials. I'm assuming you don't mean my user name.