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[Hainkpe]

*snip*

The reason why I wrote "How intriguing." is not because I have any opinion on the perceived censoring of forum members. I was referring to the aspect with BJ's response about how they, the employees are censored. That's how I interpreted his response. That they can't say things here on BSN. If I am wrong I hope I'm corrected. If I am right, it's confusing.

If they are censored here on BSN by their own company why would they then be allowed to go onto fan sites and say anything as a respresentative of Bioware? Or is he saying the employees are censored by the forum membership as what ever messaging they present will be met with negativity? If so, then going onto fan sites that keep a handle on the tone of the forum membership would make sense. That's intriguing to me.

I am beginning to wonder if the powers that be see the forum as a problem to be dealt with as its getting in the way of their messaging versus "we don't like the forum or our customers" which is the prevalent point of view.

[mrs_anomaly]

 

Guess who's Buttercup and who is the Ancient woman hmm? 

[Eryri]

People are positive at SE?... (confused) Why?

Well, the Deus Ex franchise is pretty good. It was colour coding its endings before it was cool.

[Sifr]

Just a thought: would it be fair to evaluate themes from BW games as more controversial than games from other studios? Is it possible that the debates are more heated here than elsewhere? Hence harder to control? (This is by no means an excuse to close down the forums)

 

To me, that indicates that perhaps our community is far more passionate and cares a great deal about the games, when we're willing to get so heated debating story, characters and aspects of the game design?

 

We might be a dysfunctional rabble who has a tendency to get emotional over things we care about, but "fan" is short for "fanatic", so it's to be expected!

[Kantr]

The reason why I wrote "How intriguing." is not because I have any opinion on the perceived censoring of forum members. I was referring to the aspect with BJ's response about how they, the employees are censored. That's how I interpreted his response. That they can't say things here on BSN. If I am wrong I hope I'm corrected. If I am right, it's confusing.

If they are censored here on BSN by their own company why would they then be allowed to go onto fan sites and say anything as a respresentative of Bioware? Or is he saying the employees are censored by the forum membership as what ever messaging they present will be met with negativity? If so, then going onto fan sites that keep a handle on the tone of the forum membership would make sense. That's intriguing to me.

I am beginning to wonder if the powers that be see the forum as a problem to be dealt with as its getting in the way of their messaging versus "we don't like the forum or our customers" which is the prevalent point of view.

I think Brian is saying that he was accused of censoring people, not that he was censored in what he said. Being on a board where he doesn't have moderation powers he can't be accused of it whenever he posts.

[LPPrince]

Ah, so these are the numbers that they choose to ignore...

 

LPPrince: Are you looking at this?

 

 

I've been keeping up. I take breaks when I go to the boxing gym but when I return I always come back and catch up on what I've missed.

[Jesse Reid]

Thanks for taking the time to interact, Jesse.
 
I'm not sure if you are allowed to answer, but how are these volunteer mods currently supported? Have they backup in any way? Are there meetings?
 
BTW: I have respect for these guys. Don't forget Ilidan_DA (the Polish guy). I talked to him in the past. He's cool.

The non-English sections are managed by the EA teams in those regions so I'm not sure exactly how they work. I believe some of them might be EA employees but they do have volunteers too. As for the English volunteer moderators they were all choosen back in the BSN forum days when Chris was still managing things. I don't believe we've added any new volunteer moderators since he left.

[LastFadingSmile]

Just a thought: would it be fair to evaluate themes from BW games as more controversial than games from other studios? Is it possible that the debates are more heated here than elsewhere? Hence harder to control? (This is by no means an excuse to close down the forums)

 

Naturally I can't speak for everyone, but BW games do certainly encourage a level of involvement and personal ownership over story/characters that I don't often find in other developers, and that seems to be a common feeling among many of the friends I've made through these forums. That's sure to bleed out in more impassioned community engagement as well.

 

Edit: Beaten by Sifr

[Hainkpe]

I think Brian is saying that he was accused of censoring people, not that he was censored in what he said. Being on a board where he doesn't have moderation powers he can't be accused of it whenever he posts.

That's just it. He gets accused of... You name it. So by being on a forum where he doesn't have power to... do whatever, then the message can be heard. It allows them freedom.

[Rifneno]

Well, the Deus Ex franchise is pretty good. It was colour coding its endings before it was cool.

Yeah but I'm almost positive that SE only publishes them, not develops them. If SE developed them then at the end Adam Jensen would fail miserably and Lightning would appear to save the day.

 
 

Just a thought: would it be fair to evaluate themes from BW games as more controversial than games from other studios? Is it possible that the debates are more heated here than elsewhere? Hence harder to control? (This is by no means an excuse to close down the forums)

I really doubt it. Aside from ME3's ending, BW isn't nearly as "mature" and controversial as they like to think. They aren't "edgy" and they don't "push boundaries."

Mass Effect 3, rated M for mature: Traynor wears a bra in the shower.
The Witcher 2, rated M for mature: Triss isn't a natural redhead.

[SmilesJA]

Bethesda, Ubisoft, Square Enix, Bungie, and indeed CD Projekt RED all do. They all have their own forums and communities, all of which have their fair share of positives and negatives. Why BioWare feels compelled to do things differently, I have no clue.

 

I wonder if those same forums have the reputation as the BSN.

[Fiery Phoenix]

People are positive at SE?

... (confused) Why?

The Deus Ex and Tomb Raider forums are pretty good, from my experience. Nice communities, too.

 

Just a thought: would it be fair to evaluate themes from BW games as more controversial than games from other studios? Is it possible that the debates are more heated here than elsewhere? Hence harder to control? (This is by no means an excuse to close down the forums)

I don't think so.

[CHRrOME]

Me as well.  I think I spent more time railing against ME3's endings than I did actually playing the game.  I was only able to do one playthrough and I only watched the EC through YouTube videos, found them dissatisfying, and refused to do another one.  I spent more time in the game's MP than I did with the actual game, and I thought the addition of MP was a horrible idea in the beginning.  Changed my mind about that though.

 

Lol I thought the same about the multiplayer, the idea sounded disgusting in my ears. I didn't even want to touch the MP before completing the campaign. But when I got into it, I just had so much fun.

I'm not much of a multiplayer fellow, the only MP I play was BF3/4, but ME3MP was the game I kept playing no matter what. Learned some very interesting builds, how to play certain characters (like the Awakened Collector) and other related stuff on the MP forums.

Good times.

[Hainkpe]

Yes I agree that it's overly simplistic- but it's the wall I keep seeing us bang our heads again over and over again in this thread:
 
"You were bad, now you must be eradicated"
 
Here's something else I've been thinking about. How many users registered on this forum are actually the ones that spent hours and days and weeks posting about how the ending of ME3 sucked? 
 
I'm not saying those people should be ip banned from the forums (as IF lol, plus, this would be such an act of censorship as to render the forums unusable for true discussion) but how many were there? How many people truly railed against Bioware on this forum? 
 
I know I've participated in a lot of "biower pls" jokes back in the height of the ME3 MP subforum, but I certainly felt that it was all in good humor, fun, lulz and entertainment. 
 
Afterall why would anyone come here if not because they love the games and Bioware? I am willing to bet only a small number simply came here to complain about products. 
 
I know that I've resolved SEVERAL issues that I couldn't through phone calls with EA when I was dealing with DLC issues for DA2 on Origins, when I had issues with some ME3 glitches and my discs, when I had issues period. There have been so many times that I utilized this forum as a repository for excellent troubleshooting and information and a helping hand and it's more than "just discussion" or debates. The help from this site is leaps and bounds better than any wiki I've used, IGN, GFAQ's, blogs, and youtube. etc because I do a LOT of googling and research to make my play throughs run as smoothly as possible and be as "perfect" as possible. 
 
I mean hell, I'm currently in my fifth play through of DAI and I use the DAI "Wicked Hearts and Wicked Eyes" forum post to run through that with the least amount of frustration. 

Personally, I don't think it's personal. Meaning blaming the fan base. I think Bioware failed and it shows. They've done very poor on their communication efforts. And instead of fixing it, they're eradicating it in order to start over but in a simpler way. I think it's their attempt to do good business but there are side ramifications to their choice.

In the end, it's not us, it's them.

[Solas]

I still can't get my head around how BioWare want us to believe that they believe that in-depth discussions, friendships and subcommunities will occur and form on the replacement sites/venues they recommend like Instagram and Twitter. 

 

biower pls.. do you really think (or think we think you think) something like the Solas thread (which has been praised by devs in the past for being awesome) could have formed on those kind of websites?   c'mon now

[Rifneno]

I, too, liked MP much more than I expected. Well, until they added volus and awakened collectors. As a lore and immersion nut... no. Just no.

The tuning was pretty atrocious at times too. I never forgave them for making the typhoon suck.

[AngryFrozenWater]

The non-English sections are managed by the EA teams in those regions so I'm not sure exactly how they work. I believe some of them might be EA employees but they do have volunteers too. As for the English volunteer moderators they were all choosen back in the BSN forum days when Chris was still managing things. I don't believe we've added any new volunteer moderators since he left.

Thanks, Jesse.

 

I know you gave the best answer you could.

 

BTW: Your avatar. It makes me laugh. A couple of years ago they were everywhere.

[Yoritomo Tetsu]

Well, ****

[LPPrince]

Jesse's avatar bringing back some painful memories lol

[LastFadingSmile]

Off-Whatever-The-Topic-Is:

 

Today's Poorly Drawn Lines reminded me of you guys.  

 

http://poorlydrawnli...ic/shapes-club/

 

 

Note: COMIC CONTAINS A SWEAR OMG CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED #WarningPoint

[LPPrince]

Off-Whatever-The-Topic-Is:

 

Today's Poorly Drawn Lines reminded me of you guys.  

 

http://poorlydrawnli...ic/shapes-club/

 

 

Note: COMIC CONTAINS A SWEAR OMG CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED #WarningPoint

 

 

That comic is life.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Goodbye BSN. I have had some not-so-great times, and some really great times. But as they say all good things must come to an end. I'm sad to see this community come an end, but I've already joined the Unofficial BioWare Social Network. I don't know if this is going to be my last post here, but if it is I want to wish people here an invite to join us at USBN and I hope to see you there.

 

And to those that decide not to come there I wish all of you good luck and farewell.

[AlanC9]

I really doubt it. Aside from ME3's ending, BW isn't nearly as "mature" and controversial as they like to think. They aren't "edgy" and they don't "push boundaries."Mass Effect 3, rated M for mature: Traynor wears a bra in the shower.The Witcher 2, rated M for mature: Triss isn't a natural redhead.

I don't think this is a very useful response to Vigilant111's point. Bio doesn't push the nudity boundary, but doing so wouldn't be very controversial here anyway. (Somewhat, though-- we actually have had arguments over whether DAI went too far, FWIW. I was on the "hell, no" side of those.)

Bio's been willing to subvert or ignore other CRPG conventions, and these things have been controversial here. But I don't know if this is really any worse than what happens to any company that sticks around for a while. Nobody makes the same game forever.

[SmilesJA]

Who knew that the deletion of the Off-topic forum was a sign of things to come......

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

The reason why I wrote "How intriguing." is not because I have any opinion on the perceived censoring of forum members. I was referring to the aspect with BJ's response about how they, the employees are censored. That's how I interpreted his response. That they can't say things here on BSN. If I am wrong I hope I'm corrected. If I am right, it's confusing.

If they are censored here on BSN by their own company why would they then be allowed to go onto fan sites and say anything as a respresentative of Bioware? Or is he saying the employees are censored by the forum membership as what ever messaging they present will be met with negativity? If so, then going onto fan sites that keep a handle on the tone of the forum membership would make sense. That's intriguing to me.

I am beginning to wonder if the powers that be see the forum as a problem to be dealt with as its getting in the way of their messaging versus "we don't like the forum or our customers" which is the prevalent point of view.

 

Looking back at the response of his you quoted, I think it was a misunderstanding. He was referring to the likelihood of accusations at an official BioWare site versus an unofficial one where he has no moderation powers activated (rather then simply choosing not to use the ones he has.)

 

If you meant something along the lines of NDAs, there are aspects that the developers have mentioned from time to time that they aren't allowed to talk about, but it isn't censorship, exactly, so much as elements of software development that you can't disclose due to employment agreements.