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#5001
LPPrince

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I'm confused. I don't understand why Aug lives matter is an issue and I also don't understand if the posters in this thread were rolling their eyes at Manveer or at Andre

 

 

Speaking only for myself here but if I was rolling my eyes its at Heir and anyone who agrees with him on that subject.

 

"Aug's Lives Matter" is perfectly fine. Its not the first time a work of fiction bases around a real life event/movement. It happens often actually, its a great way to have commentary over those subjects and get you thinking.

 

Yet you have people finding a problem with this one in particular. And let me point out, the guy finding a problem with it owns a White Tears Mug and happily takes a photo of him drinking out of it on Twitter.

 

In other words, I'll only take one side seriously, and its the one that isn't hypocritical.

 

You know, this sort of thing is just adding more and more believability to the Glassdoor reviews.

 

Just negativity everywhere. People on high horses. I imagine it must be way worse to be working there than it is to just stumble across this sort of thing on the very social media locales that Bioware expects us to visit and participate in.

 

Man I miss the old days when this forum was bright and vibrant. But I guess even back then there was ridiculous drama like this. At least we weren't expected to HAVE to see it in an attempt to engage with the people we want to have discourse with.


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#5002
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Manveer's antics are infamous around these parts.

 

My comment was directed toward Andre because he should have just stuck to his guns and not put himself in a needlessly compromising position by lying and pandering.

 

ie he shouldn't have given into Manveer's framing.


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Yeah...as someone who went to an SJW college, hangs out on Tumblr and thought herself a mild SJW who can often understand SJW positions, I'm completely at a loss as to what the issue is.
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#5004
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Yeah...as someone who went to an SJW college, hangs out on Tumblr and thought herself a mild SJW who can often understand SJW positions, I'm completely at a loss as to what the issue is.

 

 

I feel as though Bioware wants more of you as fans than those that don't consider themselves SJWs. Though to be fair I assume you see the term SJW positively whereas I use it negatively for those who go overboard when fighting for positivity and equality. I hope you're one of the ones who're rational and know when to draw the line between acceptable and nonsensical.


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#5005
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Ah, I just read the comments at Polygon and understand now. See, I never played Deus Ex, so I lacked context.

In game, augmentations are often voluntary and actually enhance the augmented (in a positive way). So it's not like they're an involuntary minority. The comparison between augs and blacks thus doesn't work and advertising the slogan triviliazes the irl movement because of the inaccurate comparison.

Before reading this context, I assumed augs were suffering greatly because augmentation was a required fact of life like prosthetics.

I can sympathize with Manveer's position now, although he should've checked himself before tweeting given his White Tears mug photo.

I realize this topic doesn't belong in this thread but the tweet was brought up here and it bothers me no one properly explained it. I'm sure lurkers will appreciate the clarification.
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#5006
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Rifneno - Kenson was some educated person. Who had Hackett as friend. Don't tell me that during entire Shepard's career she never mentioned how indoctrination works. It was known from first Mass Effect. So yeah about Kenson not securing entire Reaper tech to easily get indoctrinated ... I thought she was intelligent but no. She was worse than Rana Tanopticus for sake.


Let's say Kenson was an idiot who got herself Indoctrinated. How is this causing a problem for your Shepard? If Kenson isn't Indoctrinated, then Shepard breaks her out, flies her back to the asteroid, and then stands there watching while Kenson stops the Reapers. Would Shepard have felt any better about herself?
 

Then Legion ... couldn't you just mention the obvious to him back there at Rannoch - "Hey Legion, maybe don't upload this upgrade ? I can won battles without your support on battle field - we don't really know what Crucible is but it's main purpose is to attack Reapers, and you know ... Reapers are synthetic so it must focus on their technology - the same technology you want to infect other Geth now ? Perhaps it's bad idea to do this upgrade - the weapon may hit you as well".

 
You can stop the upgrade. And then the quarians exterminate the geth.

#5007
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Mine Shepard's were Jane Shepard (colonial) and Alice Shepard (Earth origin). Needles to say thanks to BioWare wonderfull ending the only reasonable ending for Alice was to commit suicide - even if both of them picked up Destruction ending and lived after this terrible blow up of Citadel main control (?)

 

Obligatory response:

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Oh dear God in Heaven you're right.

Well, I guess that might explain why Bioware thought their ending made sense. They actually think Starkid was making logical sense, and continue to use that logic :blink: :wacko:


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#5008
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Manveer Heir....Is that the guy walking around Bioware with a racist "White Tears" mug?

 

 

*Awaits my warning point* <_<


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#5009
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*gasp* Oh, no! HOW CAN YOU DO THIS, BIOWARE?? :lol: Save as many screens as we can!

I'm over on BSN boards and I brought my hot elf with me.

Links mister?



#5010
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Links mister?

http://bsn.boards.net ;)


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Obligatory response:

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Well, I guess that might explain why Bioware thought their ending made sense. They actually think Starkid was making logical sense, and continue to use that logic :blink: :wacko:

Actually I blame this one of them trying to rewrite that they intended for Shepard to die there in first version of stupid ending.

Then they rewrite this ... like really. And also I believed partially in indoctrination ending. Made a lot more sense to me than anything else.

Many things didn't make sense there, that's why the ending was shitty.

 

Like where the heck did Joker run away ? Shouldn't he be escaping along with all fleet to other system ? Instead he just crashed Normandy on some unnamed planet, and I bet Javik was yelling at him for hours at very best.

At worst (for Joker) Javik tossed him by biotics on nearest tree in this wilderness.

Back prior to Extended Cut you just got your companions miraclously teleported to Normandy just behind your back at one minute, and Joker was running away like coward with no explanation of WHY he is running if Hackett didn't ordered them to evacuate.

Even Extended Cut can't repair all things which were nonsense in ME 3 at end.

 

But yeah .. BioWare LOVES idea of Star Kid ... <_<


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Hey those who get warning points are working to a high score.

 

Talks of the ME3 ending havent seen that in a long time.



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lynroy that just may be about the third or fourth time someone has talked about how "hot" your elf is, so just now I took a good look at your avatar. What astonishes me is that he is able to pull off plaidweave. I did not think that was even possible. Then again, until this thread I had no idea he was on the "Hot" Avatar List.

 

See I need these forums to stay open...I don't want to miss anything so important, none of my characters so far have been able to pull off that fabric without looking just downright silly.

Where is this hot avatar thread...I must see this! :lol:


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#5014
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Even if the company restarts the forums (which I put at a 50/50 in 12 months,) don't be surprised if many of us don't/won't come back. Yes, there is always new people, but they wouldn't have spent the years, years of work and love that several members of this community have done.

I have a sneaking suspicion that is exactly the plan--restart the current community at a later date so as to disband it and have new people join up. Kind of like reformatting Windows and getting rid of all the files and viruses slowing it down.

 

As you said, though, should they go through with the closure, I doubt many people will in good conscience want to come back if BioWare does end up restarting the forums sometime in the near future.

 

I can't wait until MEA is out. That'll put everything in perspective for them.


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#5015
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I guess so. If they want to delete another one of my posts, or give me a warning point for pasting an IT picture, I'll just laugh even harder.

They could ban you, yolo.  :D



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I guess so. If they want to delete another one of my posts, or give me a warning point for pasting an IT picture, I'll just laugh even harder.


Umad got banned for posting a picture of Priestly and Woo insulting and trolling fans, so I wouldn't be surprised. Frankly, I'm surprised I'm still here.
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#5017
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Well, this is a real shame. I will miss this place with it’s unique combination of emotions, logic and illogic, weirdness and nerdiness, intellectualism and silliness, honesty and trolling. One thing is clear, there will be no substitute. Where else would we have such in-depth discussions about the physics of Mass Effect fields, the energy requirements of biotics, the morality of loyalty, the nature of a multidimensional universe,  the socio-political implications of the synthesis ending, the nature of artificial intelligence, the finer points of story telling characteristics or about the meaning of life itself (all in the context of BW games of course)? Where else would we simply trade puns, limericks and songs about BW games?

 

Shall we do that on Twitter with its 140 or whatever character limit? Impossible. On Facebook, where the casual consumers will barge into our nerd-discussions with mockery and ridicule? I think not. On Reddit, where every conversation is basically a giant quote pyramid (the very thing that was made virtually impossible on these boards for good reason)? I don’t think so. On Instagram and Tumblr, with its pictures? Not the right place. On one of the Wikis, which are information databases, more than anything? We’d just be clogging them up. On some fan-site? It would be the best option but which one to choose when the need of the site owners to make a mark fractures the fan base?

 

These forums had the advantage that they were specifically made for the community to discuss BW games in depth. They were exclusive in that whoever wanted to participate needed to make the extra effort and register (with their games no less). This “effort-wall” kept the group that was on these boards focused for the most part and allowed even long and complicated discussions. The format of the forum with potentially long posts and multi-quote functionality was perfectly suited to foster the kinds of exchanges that this group wanted and had. At the same time, the fact that these were the official boards from BW for BW customers brought everyone who wanted to discuss BW products together in one unavoidable place: The BW forums. Here, you knew that you had the widest exposure to a nonetheless very focused group of people. None of the proposed alternatives can achieve the same comprehensive, yet selected user base for discussions.

 

Yes, here we relentlessly criticized BioWare for their mistakes but we also praised them for their successes. Yes, we wanted more interaction with the devs but it never occurred to me that their absence would be used to justify the closure of these boards.

 

In fact, the reasons brought forth by Conal Pierse are – as has been pointed out a lot here already – neither logical nor persuasive but hollow and quite clearly corporate blabla in a rather lame effort to put a positive spin on an action that nobody outside of the company itself can possibly call an achievement. Be assured BioWare, by closing these boards, you are certainly not improving your community, you are in fact castrating it (but I suspect you know that already).

In fact, I have to admit, if I am supposed to take the announcement at face value,  I can’t help but feel personally insulted as a user of these boards, who will definitely not migrate to any of the proposed other platforms. If the spin on this really is that closing these boards will help the community, then the only logical conclusion must be that those of us who used these boards exclusively to engage with BW and other BW fans were somehow making it worse.

 

Ironically, BioWare’s closure of the forums has a mild resemblance of the catalyst’s logic at the end of ME3: “We are afraid of what might happen if we let this old part of our community develop further, so we will exterminate it to make room for a younger fanbase, with parameters that are more to the standards that we can work with.”
A rather whimsical comparison, maybe, but still, it made me chuckle. :)

 

In any case, for me personally, this will probably mark the end of my engagement with the BW community. It was a pleasure to have so many interesting, funny, enlightening and sometimes downright absurd discussions with you all.

 

I bid you all a very fond farewell!

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bravo


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Hey those who get warning points are working to a high score.

 

Talks of the ME3 ending havent seen that in a long time.

 

Well I am sorry to bring back those traumatizing memories of that ending.

Right now I have big desire to beat the **** out from Joker. I really enjoy imaginating that Javik beat him or throw him at this planet.

Mine desire to this violence dates even back to ME 2, and ME 3 ending was the last straw for me when it comes to mine patience for Joker.

 

Also .. Extended Cut made clear that Geth were destroyed. I mean EDI who had partially program from Reaper showed up on Memory Wall as someone got hitted by Crucible and destroyed. That means that Geth will get hit as well since they updated themselves by Reapers upgrade.

Yeah .. mine hope for them to survive is very low.

I think I will never get over Mass Effect 3 ending and franchise betrayal of me - because taht's how I see Andromeda as idea.



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I can't wait until MEA is out. That'll put everything in perspective for them.


You're assuming it'll sell poorly because of the way BW has treated its fans? You have more faith in people (in this case, the people being BW fans) than I do. I expect BW to continue to treat its fans like garbage, I expect MEA Culpa to be a train wreck storywise at the very least, and I expect it to sell very well.
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I'm confused. I don't understand why Aug lives matter is an issue and I also don't understand if the posters in this thread were rolling their eyes at Manveer or at Andre

I was just laughing at the whole thing in general cuz the world is burning   :P saw it pop up and knew some folk here would find it hilarious



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Ah, I just read the comments at Polygon and understand now. See, I never played Deus Ex, so I lacked context.

In game, augmentations are often voluntary and actually enhance the augmented (in a positive way). So it's not like they're an involuntary minority. The comparison between augs and blacks thus doesn't work and advertising the slogan triviliazes the irl movement because of the inaccurate comparison.

Before reading this context, I assumed augs were suffering greatly because augmentation was a required fact of life like prosthetics.

I can sympathize with Manveer's position now, although he should've checked himself before tweeting given his White Tears mug photo.

I realize this topic doesn't belong in this thread but the tweet was brought up here and it bothers me no one properly explained it. I'm sure lurkers will appreciate the clarification.

Not everyone in the Deus Ex world get Augmented by choice. Adam Jenson gets augmented while in a coma and there are probably more people who have been augmented in this matter to save their lives.  And I will say that there was a time when getting augmented wasn't considered a terrible thing.  So lots of people got them.  Then as the years went by it began to raise the question of whether or not augmented people were human, then it became a case where many had to argue their right to be considered human. 

 

If anything, Augmenation could be considered closer to the gay rights movement, as some people actually believe being gay is a choice and all a gay person has to do is stop being gay to avoid discrimination.

 

But honestly, with all these SJW slogans coming out right now. I can see AugLivesMatter as something that would be used in a transhumanist future.


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lynroy that just may be about the third or fourth time someone has talked about how "hot" your elf is, so just now I took a good look at your avatar. What astonishes me is that he is able to pull off plaidweave. I did not think that was even possible. Then again, until this thread I had no idea he was on the "Hot" Avatar List.

 

See I need these forums to stay open...I don't want to miss anything so important, none of my characters so far have been able to pull off that fabric without looking just downright silly.

:lol: Cheers. He's made a few heads turn around here. I don't know how I managed to have him pull off the plaideweave like that. He looks weird in anything else. 

 

 

 

Looking back through numerous threads and there are so many fan creations here. Why purge all of that? WHY?


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I'M BACK FROM MY 24 HOUR BAN!  :D

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wb brave friendo


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You're assuming it'll sell poorly because of the way BW has treated its fans? You have more faith in people (in this case, the people being BW fans) than I do. I expect BW to continue to treat its fans like garbage, I expect MEA Culpa to be a train wreck storywise at the very least, and I expect it to sell very well.

I actually just meant it will be the first BioWare release without an official forum alongside it, which I don't imagine will be a terrific experience for the fans or the community managers when they find out how fragmented and shallow social media tends to be for this sort of stuff.

 

I doubt it would affect sales at all, though.


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Ah, I just read the comments at Polygon and understand now. See, I never played Deus Ex, so I lacked context.

In game, augmentations are often voluntary and actually enhance the augmented (in a positive way). So it's not like they're an involuntary minority. The comparison between augs and blacks thus doesn't work and advertising the slogan triviliazes the irl movement because of the inaccurate comparison.

Before reading this context, I assumed augs were suffering greatly because augmentation was a required fact of life like prosthetics.

I can sympathize with Manveer's position now, although he should've checked himself before tweeting given his White Tears mug photo.

I realize this topic doesn't belong in this thread but the tweet was brought up here and it bothers me no one properly explained it. I'm sure lurkers will appreciate the clarification.

AS someone who has played the games, the information you have is incomplete.

 

In game, augmentation is theoretically voluntary and enhances a person's life.  However,  this is not always the case.  In fact, the protagonist of the previous game (and the character in the upcoming Mankind Divided) Adam Jensen, was augmented without his consent in order to save his life.  His tagline is, in fact, "I never asked for this"

 

Moreover, in Human Revolution we saw that the enhancements of augmentation were pressuring the nonaugmented to get augmentations themselves in order to stay competitive in the job market.

 

Finally, the climax of Human Revolution showed that augs could be hacked, and a massive demonstration of that caused millions of deaths across the world as augmented people appeared to go violently insane all at once.  Mankind Divided is set only two years after that incident, and people are apparently terrified of augmented people now

 

Observe:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=D7XCAgj0TtI


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