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[voteDC]

Plot twist: IP bans for everyone who ever posted here.

IP bans are worthless. Most people have a dynamic IP that changes when they connect to the internet or reset their router.

All they do is inconvenience the poor soul who gets assigned that banned IP next.

 

DA2 should work as well.

 

I haven't moved any of my EA games to Origin, nor do I plan to.

I have for the simple reason I like the protection of having them on more than one service. I will never understand the mentality of people who will only use Steam, when the advantage of the PC platform is that you aren't tied to one service.

[NoName55]

DA2 should work as well.

 

I haven't moved any of my EA games to Origin, nor do I plan to.

Actually I use Steam only for chat reasons - and any game that requires that thing only. Lately and I use Steam for years I noticed worrying trend for Steam to get worse and worse with every new modification. Not to mention how bad is Steam store - especially for anyone else who does not operate on Euro or Dollars.

I wish EA would updated their store like by adding old NFS'es there.

Steam fails so badly that Origin is now considered by me stable and trustworthy. And this is scary.

And also Origin was good enough to not mess with any game which requires it to be online, while Steam few times disconnected for no reasons.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Did you know pineapples can't inherit the principality of Monaco?

[Vigilant111]

You're correct about the released version, but I was talking about the leaked pre-release outline -- the one where the name "Catalyst" hasn't been invented yet and the intelligence on the Citadel is known as the Guardian instead, (My fault for being unclear about what "original ending" meant.)

People said that destroying other AIs was a late addition to make players have to consider picking something other than Destroy. People were right.

 

I do apologize for the oversight of the word "leaked"... However, I would be hard-pressed to say that there was no intention whatsoever to include AIs in destroy's casualty list. If you have read the leaked script, you would notice that all the consequences are reaper-centric and that synthesis seems like a half-baked idea which most definitely requires more definition and refining.

 

My opinion is that the devs simply had forgotten the many consequences which may result from a galactic explosion and admittedly hazily rushed to add more things to the endings, but the point I made above may only be refuted if you can prove that the leak directly caused the changes, otherwise we could never know whether they were intended or not

 

EDIT: Or, this can be interpreted as a timing issue, whether BW intended AI casualties in 2011 or they intended them in 2012 is irrelevant, we know that these consequences are intended because they ARE included in the original ending and that more importantly, they are still included in the extended cut and not removed

[AngryFrozenWater]

IP bans are worthless. Most people have a dynamic IP that changes when they connect to the internet or reset their router.

All they do is inconvenience the poor soul who gets assigned that banned IP next.

 

I have for the simple reason I like the protection of having them on more than one service. I will never understand the mentality of people who will only use Steam, when the advantage of the PC platform is that you aren't tied to one service.

I've never understood why Origin was required anyway. I like to buy my games where I want. I'm a satisfied Steam customer. Sure, they have issues, but currently, there are more problems with EA. Like closing these forums.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Actually I use Steam only for chat reasons - and any game that requires that thing only. Lately and I use Steam for years I noticed worrying trend for Steam to get worse and worse with every new modification. Not to mention how bad is Steam store - especially for anyone else who does not operate on Euro or Dollars.

I wish EA would updated their store like by adding old NFS'es there.

Steam fails so badly that Origin is now considered by me stable and trustworthy. And this is scary.

And also Origin was good enough to not mess with any game which requires it to be online, while Steam few times disconnected for no reasons.

I'm glad that you are a satisfied EA customer. I am not. They certainly don't make me admire them here.

[voteDC]

I've never understood why Origin was required anyway. I like to buy my games where I want. I'm a satisfied Steam customer. Sure, they have issues, but currently, there are more problems with EA. Like closing these forums.

I like Steam, I have a big catalogue of games. I also add non-Steam games to the client because I like to make use of the screenshot feature.

It's just I don't understand those people, and I have a friend who says the same thing, "No Steam version, no sale."

He's loved the first two Mass Effect games but refuses to play the third because he can't buy it on Steam. Why should that matter? So what if EA don't want to give Valve a 30% cut of each sale. Origin isn't a terrible service in itself and can easily be disabled from running with the game if you so wish.

I just think it is cutting off your nose to spite your face to refuse to look outside of Steam for your games. Yes I can understand the desire to have everything in one place but as I said, you can add non-Steam games to Steam.

As to business practices, are Valve really the consumer champions that people make them out to be? Perhaps they are the lesser of two evils when compared to EA, but the lesser of two evils is still evil.

[N7M]

Spoiler

[duckley]

I just wish Bioware would confirm the  real "reason" they are closing...I would rather they say they find the board too toxic (however much disagree) or too costly or that they are too fearful of negative ME:A feedback or too whatever, then peddle that lame and disingenuous excuse....Just bugs me and makes me mad!

[AlanC9]

Yes and now you made me sad, not Geth ... really ? It didn't killed Geth ? What the hell BioWare !?! Why didn't you stayed with this idea ? Instead you made me into doing a damn genocide becuase all other alternatives were worse !

Well, I did warn you.

There's no real way to tell the why of it unless Casey and Mac decide to start talking. My pet theory is that it's a kind of "return of the repressed." The original design vision was for ME to have a bunch of choices with no easy answers. You can look up the ME1 "Distress Call" trailer for an early broken marketing promise. This is something that Bio has never really delivered in any game, and ME has been no exception; Bio's been lying to themselves about what their games really do for years.

So they wanted to do something big and awful to make up for all the times they gave the player an easy way out. Mission accomplished, I guess. The irony is that the mismatch between the final choice and the rest of the series makes the ending choice even worse than it would have been in a vacuum. A series that's about avoiding the hard choices if you want to avoid them shouldn't force you into one in the last five minutes.

[NoName55]

I'm glad that you are a satisfied EA customer. I am not. They certainly don't make me admire them here.

Here ? You mean closure of BSN ?

I doubt EA knows anything about this because their help is as confused as ever to where they must redirect anybody seeking help from BioWare titles.

The only thing which I know about EA regarding BioWare work itself, are some cuts and forcing them to sit down and make Extended Cut.

EA is devil, just like Bethesda (epic flushing from toilet) or Activision. (VtMB !!!)

I will never forgive EA Phenomic fate.   Give me back Spellforce EA !

[AngryFrozenWater]

I like Steam, I have a big catalogue of games. I also add non-Steam games to the client because I like to make use of the screenshot feature.

It's just I don't understand those people, and I have a friend who says the same thing, "No Steam version, no sale."

He's loved the first two Mass Effect games but refuses to play the third because he can't buy it on Steam. Why should that matter? So what if EA don't want to give Valve a 30% cut of each sale. Origin isn't a terrible service in itself and can easily be disabled from running with the game if you so wish.

I just think it is cutting off your nose to spite your face to refuse to look outside of Steam for your games. Yes I can understand the desire to have everything in one place but as I said, you can add non-Steam games to Steam.

As to business practices, are Valve really the consumer champions that people make them out to be? Perhaps they are the lesser of two evils when compared to EA, but the lesser of two evils is still evil.

I am glad you are a happy EA customer. As mentioned in another post (and various others in this thread concerning EA's BW), I am not. That's all I can say, without going off-topic.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Here ? You mean closure of BSN ?

I doubt EA knows anything about this because their help is as confused as ever to where they must redirect anybody seeking help from BioWare titles.

The only thing which I know about EA regarding BioWare work itself, are some cuts and forcing them to sit down and make Extended Cut.

EA is devil, just like Bethesda (epic flushing from toilet) or Activision. (VtMB !!!)

I will never forgive EA Phenomic fate.   Give me back Spellforce EA !

You fail to realize that BW is a division of EA. BioWare is a registered trademark of EA. It acts like a label. Nothing more, nothing less. So, for all intents and purposes BW and EA are the same company. I can't help that the internal communication between BW and other parts of EA failed.

[AlanC9]

Good day to all.
Alan, couldn't tell from your post whether you had read the leaked script so I did some digging. Yes there originally was a catalyst...

But as you say, that Catalyst was different from the Catalyst we got. You're right, though. I should have said that the name hadn't been reassigned to the intelligence yet.

I actually liked most of the changes, FWIW.

Spoiler

I always thought the point of ME1 was that the Protheans weren't very important in themselves. Except for a handful of scientists, they were just another cycle. So I was never interested in Javik, and I'm glad the Protheans didn't design the Crucible too. I don't know how well the A/K business would have played out in practice. I do miss the Xen and reporter bits, though.

Anyway, I can see why that script had to be trimmed down. EA was never going to sign off on that budget, and I think they would have been right.

Fortunately for me, I hadn't yet played the game they ripped off when I played ME3.

[Elhanan]

I like Steam, I have a big catalogue of games. I also add non-Steam games to the client because I like to make use of the screenshot feature.

It's just I don't understand those people, and I have a friend who says the same thing, "No Steam version, no sale."

He's loved the first two Mass Effect games but refuses to play the third because he can't buy it on Steam. Why should that matter? So what if EA don't want to give Valve a 30% cut of each sale. Origin isn't a terrible service in itself and can easily be disabled from running with the game if you so wish.

I just think it is cutting off your nose to spite your face to refuse to look outside of Steam for your games. Yes I can understand the desire to have everything in one place but as I said, you can add non-Steam games to Steam.

As to business practices, are Valve really the consumer champions that people make them out to be? Perhaps they are the lesser of two evils when compared to EA, but the lesser of two evils is still evil.

I am sorta the opposite; like Origin more than Steam, and prefer GOG more than the others to the removal of DRM. But I still like having the options of all of them.

[FieryDove]

 

I have for the simple reason I like the protection of having them on more than one service. I will never understand the mentality of people who will only use Steam, when the advantage of the PC platform is that you aren't tied to one service.

 

The advantage of the PC platform is to not have to be tied to another platform.
I refuse to give up my way of playing my games to extraneous mandatory client whims.
I decide when I play, what I play and how. That includes mods and patches. But...I'm stubborn.

 

I only play one steam game Skyrim. I have told my friends to stop buying me games there long ago. (they had ulterior motive which was to get me on steam to begin with) In fact a friend bought me skyrim and I finally gave in and tried it...hmm 2 years ago? So yeah...I don't want any client if I have a choice. Gog is much better. No drm.

 

Origin has been a lousy client for me and I only have DAI that requires it. (Thank heavens) I played Skyrim offline for 11 months. Can't do that in origin have to log in to log out. Why? Have to update game to play at all. Why? If they made the keep better maybe we wouldn't even need origin. Like import our keep choices could have saved in-game so if we start a new character and the server is down or the net is down we could still do it with the last import used rather than the terrible default choices. Not to mention origin bugs. I don't play MP in BW games so I have no need for an online anything to begin with. EA mandate be hanged.

 

More on topic

I seem to recall the pruning/combining of forums along with OT going bye-bye almost similar. As in to help better foster community? Maybe I am not remembering clearly. I still think the reasoning is severely flawed logic.

[Draining Dragon]

Hang on, weren't we at page 221 roughly 12 hours ago?

[NoName55]

But as you say, that Catalyst was different from the Catalyst we got. You're right, though. I should have said that the name hadn't been reassigned to the intelligence yet.

I actually liked most of the changes, FWIW.

Spoiler

I always thought the point of ME1 was that the Protheans weren't very important in themselves. Except for a handful of scientists, they were just another cycle. So I was never interested in Javik, and I'm glad the Protheans didn't design the Crucible too. I don't know how well the A/K business would have played out in practice. I do miss the Xen and reporter bits, though.

Anyway, I can see why that script had to be trimmed down. EA was never going to sign off on that budget, and I think they would have been right.

Fortunately for me, I hadn't yet played the game they ripped off when I played ME3.

I got the opposite from ME 1. I thought even if Protheans were another cycle they were THAT important so we may have been warned what was this thing what killed them. I always get the feeling that Protheans knew before they were attacked what will happen. Hence their studies on Ilos.

Kinda entire message from ME 1 was that we knew anything about Repears just because Protheans were that rebellious to do any info for future cycle in case they will be wiped out.

Not to mention travels in ME franchise with all this systems where was some remains of other races long gone was just so ... sinister. I miss this franchise.

I did like that Crucible was work of every single cycle but ... I think more of this should be done by Protheans themselves. I always thought more than 80% of cycles were just slaughtered before they even suspected taht something evil is right behind edge of galaxy.

[Vigilant111]

Hang on, weren't we at page 221 roughly 12 hours ago?

 

Yep, my heart sinks every time the page numbers go down

[AtalaSirion]

Hang on, weren't we at page 221 roughly 12 hours ago?

we were, but those pages were... purged and stopped at 216

[AlanC9]

I do apologize for the oversight of the word "leaked"... However, I would be hard-pressed to say that there was no intention whatsoever to include AIs in destroy's casualty list. If you have read the leaked script, you would notice that all the consequences are reaper-centric and that synthesis seems like a half-baked idea which most definitely requires more definition and refining.

I agree that it's not easy to guess what exactly they had in mind when they wrote "become one with the Reapers." Did they even know?
 

My opinion is that the devs simply had forgotten the many consequences which may result from a galactic explosion and admittedly hazily rushed to add more things to the endings, but the point I made above may only be refuted if you can prove that the leak directly caused the changes, otherwise we could never know whether they were intended or not
 
EDIT: Or, this can be interpreted as a timing issue, whether BW intended AI casualties in 2011 or they intended them in 2012 is irrelevant, we know that these consequences are intended because they ARE included in the original ending and that more importantly, they are still included in the extended cut and not removed

Right. It's not clear to me that the leak changed anything. The timing doesn't really work, since the full-text leak already has the change.

[AngryFrozenWater]

...

 

More on topic

I seem to recall the pruning/combining of forums along with OT going bye-bye almost similar. As in to help better foster community? Maybe I am not remembering clearly. I still think the reasoning is severely flawed logic.

FieryDove!

 

Yes. It baffles a lot of people, including me, as well. I've written several walls of text about it in the last couple of days. Currently BW defies all logic. If you feel the same then, given the majority of the response here, you're in good company.

[vbibbi]

Oh wait, I have 2 warning points? It said I got 1. How do you get 2 points for 1 infraction? I want to know. And I better not get another one for asking, because there is nowhere else I'll be able to find out.

 

Obviously you did something so awesome that it required two gold starts next to it!
 

Seems that the most common thing to get a point for right now is discussion of moderation. 

 

And yes, decision still sucks.  But tomorrow my mood shall improve, as I will be seeing my girl Harley Quinn on the silver screen for the first time ever in Suicide Squad. 

 

Suicide Squad, also an adequate name for all you nut bags trying to get yourself banned. 

 

Ironically though I heard that many SS fans wanted to force rotten tomatoes to remove its negative reviews of the film. Prior to actually seeing the film itself. Because they knew the film would be good and critics weren't allowed to have negative things to say about it..  Sounds familiar.

 

This reminds me of a date night a very long time ago.

The money quote: "It keeps getting smaller. It's not supposed to do that."

 

Flashbacks!

 

I think part of the problem of Bioware Edmonton(aside from all the original execs leaving) is that a lot of the upper management (who used to be Devs themselves) have been with the company for so long. You always read about so and so moving onto a new studio after doing a project or being at a company for a long time. You never hear of them moving to Bioware though. Montreal had a lot of talent leave and Edmonton doesn't seem to be growing that much.

 

Plus from all accounts, Edmonton isn't exactly the best place to have a developer.

 

I wonder if when I visit the forums on a monday morning this thread will be locked.

 

IMO this highlights that sometimes people get promoted above their abilities. It's a theory that rather than being in the corresponding level of experience and abilities, an employee gets promoted, rightly due to their achievements, but to the point where they're actually no longer qualified for the position. People who entered the workforce as developers and whose training and interests lie in developing games don't always make the best managers because they're not trained to be managers.

 

By gosh, I think I'm actually advocating for EA corporate oversight over smaller game developers!

[Vigilant111]

I agree that it's not easy to guess what exactly they had in mind when they wrote "become one with the Reapers." Did they even know?
 

Right. It's not clear to me that the leak changed anything. The timing doesn't really work, since the full-text leak already has the change.

 

Basically my thought was that BW simply forgot, they simply did not decide the fate of AIs until later. If the leaked script actually contained something relevant (and in contrast to what we have got) to the AIs' fate, then we can established that BW indeed had a change of heart

 

When you have giant explosions, who pays attention to details? It is like we were asking what happened to the husks in the synthesis ending: just oversight

[Gileadan]

Hang on, weren't we at page 221 roughly 12 hours ago?

Groundhog Day.