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[Wolven_Soul]

Oh my gods, I had blocked the Real ID fiasco from my mind. When I said Blizzard had gotten it worse than BioWare, that's the things I'm talking about.

Quick explanation for those that are lost: The WoW devs decided it was time to start trimming down servers. Numbers were low and there were a lot of "dead" servers. Rather than shutting them down, they started to merge them. In their infinite wisdom, they decided to create a friends list based upon a person's Blizzard account. They figured it was a good way to people to stay in touch that were on different servers. The idea is really cool; you can talk to your friend killing demons in WoW while you're killing evil angels in Diablo.

The problem was that it displayed a user's real name if you were on someone's Real ID list. Blizzard devs tried to show that this wasn't a big deal by posting their real names on the forums. They didn't realize they had set themselves up to be doxxed and stalked. That isn't even mentioning the name calling, the rape/death/torture threats and the general hatred towards the devs. I swear that the heads of Blizzard couldn't backpeddle fast enough. IIRC, that particular bad idea was revised in about a month.

Even after all of that, they don't slam on the fans that post on their forums. That's where the devs got the worst of it, and yet they still don't insult their entire forums publicly every time their fanbase is brought up. Blizzard has been around since 1991. 25 years and they've never pulled a stunt like the one BioWare has. Grrrr....

 

Unless you count what's his face and how he sometimes used to subtlety slam Alliance.  Can't remember his name.  But that wasn't slamming the fans, he was just an absolute Horde lover. 

 

But yeah, your right, as bad as that was they never came down on the fans for it.  They just backed off their stance and reversed their decision.  Never gave us crap.  I was one of those who were most vocal against it, I made so many posts raging about that, but I never got evil with it, and in the end thanked them for listening to us. 

[rapscallioness]

*snip*

 

That guy harassing David was crazy. He should not have been allowed to run amok for that long.  We talk about the devs feeling safe, but I want to feel safe, too. I should be able to feel safe here as a guest in BW's home.

 

I still don;t think it's actually about negativity or being toxic despite what Priestly says because when has Priestly ever told the truth?

Idk, but I suspect it may be as simple as them wanting to boost their social media profile. True, if they wanted to close the forum after ME3, they would be wise to wait a reasonable amount of time. But it's been awhile. That's a long time to wait in the tall grass to pounce on someone.

 

Ack, I sincerely can't figure it. I know that the reason they gave us about the devs not coming here and all that just does not pass the whiff test.

 

As long as I've been here, since 2011, I have to say I've gotten the feeling that BW/EA did not want the BSN around. Idk what it was like before that. I hear tales of a Golden Era past, but it was a vibe I picked up on when I first started coming.

 

Loyalty is extremely important to me. You don;t throw people under the bus just because your head keeps getting turned by the next cool/popular thing. And their head always seems to be turned by some other fan base--from GoW to Skyrim to CoD..oh they wanted that CoD putty.

 

No respect. No respect for what BW was capable of bringing to the industry. No respect for the fans that recognized something unique in BW's games. No, they want to chase after some "Awesome Button's". You know, because apparently my money's not good enough for them.

 

They're doing the same thing now. They're chasing after social media. And apparently it's working. They got a million followers now on Twitter. And, hey cool. Seriously, that's good for you. It's not easy. I don't see why we can't have both Twitter and BSN.  I bet they want to boost up that Reddit, too.   I understand wanting that to help get higher visibility, and so on and so forth.

 

However, to me, platforms like the BSN--even over Reddit--have more value because when people sign up for this type of forum, they are demonstrating a vested interest in your product. People follow and unfollow people all the time on Twitter, and it's real easy to get buried in a feed. BSN, however,  is a friggin engine. It's a beast of potential money. If they had just done something with it. If they had just gotten serious about the place.

 

So, loyalty is important, although it's not necessarily about telling people what they want to hear.  Sometimes real loyalty is about telling people precisely what they don;t want to hear because it looks they're about to go over the cliff.

 

I can't stand disloyal, or two-faced behavior. And that's how they come across sometimes. Two-faced. They may see it all as simple business, but the message that's being communicated to me-and has been for awhile--is one of shunning. It feels like this place and its fans have been shunned by BW/EA for a long time. And now this.

 

This translates to me as you not having any loyalty. Two-faced.

 

 

**I'm going to snip your post @Natashina because I imagine it's been reposted several times already since I started writing this.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Oh, memory lane!

I remember when a whole pile of us got together in the Cullen Thread and organised for cakes to be delivered to the DA:I team. We were all so excited for the game and we wanted to show our appreciation for all the work and dedication they put into developing the thing that we loved, plus we thought they could use a little pick me up, what with all the long hours they'd been putting.

We had one user write a really kind worded letter from us all, another gave her permission for us to use her DA artwork as an edible image, plus some other little bits and pieces that others wanted to add.

I'm happy that I was able to be part of such an awesome community here on the BSN.

[Grieving Natashina]

Unless you count what's his face and how he sometimes used to subtlety slam Alliance. Can't remember his name. But that wasn't slamming the fans, he was just an absolute Horde lover.

But yeah, your right, as bad as that was they never came down on the fans for it. They just backed off their stance and reversed their decision. Never gave us crap. I was one of those who were most vocal against it, I made so many posts raging about that, but I never got evil with it, and in the end thanked them for listening to us.

You're referring to Chris Menzen, the creator of Warcraft and the voice of Thrall. Yeah, I remember all of that. He mostly did it at Blizzcon. From what I've heard, he's mellowed with time. It didn't help the division among fans, but he wasn't trying to say that his fans sucked if they didn't like Horde.

Meanwhile, we have a lot of current and former employees from BioWare that seem to almost relish in saying how awful their fans on their forums are. It's like any interview with some devs has to include that the forums are a terrible place. We're so terrible, so evil, so vile that the forums must be eradicated. Such an insult.

I have two warning points. One for quoting Jack without enough asterisks, and the other was an innocent remark that was reported during the crackdown this summer. The forums as whole, good and bad, are being punished for a small group of disgusting people. I'm not saying this place was all roses and sunshine, but the bulk of the truly screwed up behavior occurred years ago.

"Oh, you're not being punished. You can use the social medias, right?" No.

Here's an interesting fact: Facebook is on the decline for the first time in it's history. Sharing posts is the way FB has survived, and it's going down. Straight from Fortune 500's site, back in April of this year.

http://fortune.com/2...haring-decline/

Did I mention that Twitter is showing signs of stagnation too? This is from USA Today back in February.

http://www.usatoday....cline/80178140/

If the Powers That Be think Facebook will help with marketing, then they haven't heard about this Gallup poll from June 23rd:

http://www.gallup.co...-decisions.aspx

So not only are they deleting the forums, they are relying social media sites that are slowing declining. Except for reddit, which is doing well and certainly is the least worst option. As for the rest? Well, talk about thinking in the short term.

[LPPrince]

I remember before DAO when devs were telling us on the forums what kind of foods certain characters were most like, and what drink they would order at a bar.

 

And when we had cute names for things, like the mabari in DAO being called Rabbit. Its what I named mine.

[The RPGenius]

...Hey, LPPrince?  I don't know whether it means anything coming from someone whose post count/years ratio clearly indicates little involvement in this community, but all snarking and jabs at Bioware aside for this one moment...I'm genuinely sorry, man.  I'm sorry a lot of honest fans are going to lose a safe, familiar community, I'm sorry a lot of fans have had their (admittedly completely unjustified) faith and loyalty to Bioware robbed from them, I'm sorry a lot of people are going to lose all tangible (so to speak) evidence that everything they thought and felt and contemplated and shared for years ever happened, and I'm sorry that you've lost both a future opportunity to enjoy the 100k milestone, and some of the good feelings that reaching your 50k point gave you.  I'm mostly about pointing out the stupidity of Bioware's blunders...but for a moment, I pause, and regret what you and everyone else are losing.

[Wolven_Soul]

You're referring to Chris Menzen, the creator of Warcraft and the voice of Thrall. Yeah, I remember all of that. He mostly did it at Blizzcon. From what I've heard, he's mellowed with time. It didn't help the division among fans, but he wasn't trying to say that his fans sucked if they didn't like Horde.

Meanwhile, we have a lot of current and former employees from BioWare that seem to almost relish in saying how awful their fans on their forums are. It's like any interview with some devs has to include that the forums are a terrible place. We're so terrible, so evil, so vile that the forums must be eradicated. Such an insult. I have two warning points. One for quoting Jack without enough asterisks, and the other was an innocent remark that was reported during the crackdown this summer. The forums as whole, good and bad, are being punished for a small group of disgusting people. I'm not saying this places was all roses and sunshine, but the bulk of the truly screwed up behavior occurred years ago.

"Oh, you're not being punished. You can use the social medias, right?" No.
 

 

Yeah that's the guy!  No he was definitely not slamming Alliance fans.  He just loved Thrall and the Horde.  Which I get, my heart was with the Horde even though I mostly played Alliance because...Werewolves. 

 

Yeah like I said in a previous post I have seen so much worse in the other forms of media that they are suggesting we use from now on.  The worst I have ever gotten here for saying why I don't like DA:I was Elhanan endlessly telling me that 'Again I assume'.  I have never used Twitter, barely used Reddit, but I have gotten called some pretty horrible things in YouTube comment sections for expressing an opinion. 

 

I know there have been some dark times in these forums, but I like to think that we have reached a point now where the good vastly outweighs the bad.  Even this thread has been mostly civil, and if there has ever been a time to really be seriously ticked off at Bioware, it's now.  But we're supposed to be so toxic? 

 

I know I have argued with some of the people in this thread before, but now we're all giving each other likes and being quite companionable.  I know these are things that have been said again and again and again, but they seriously bear repeated...you know...repeating. 

[LPPrince]

...Hey, LPPrince?  I don't know whether it means anything coming from someone whose post count/years ratio clearly indicates little involvement in this community, but all snarking and jabs at Bioware aside for this one moment...I'm genuinely sorry, man.  I'm sorry a lot of honest fans are going to lose a safe, familiar community, I'm sorry a lot of fans have had their (admittedly completely unjustified) faith and loyalty to Bioware robbed from them, I'm sorry a lot of people are going to lose all tangible (so to speak) evidence that everything they thought and felt and contemplated and shared for years ever happened, and I'm sorry that you've lost both a future opportunity to enjoy the 100k milestone, and some of the good feelings that reaching your 50k point gave you.  I'm mostly about pointing out the stupidity of Bioware's blunders...but for a moment, I pause, and regret what you and everyone else are losing.

 

 

Thanks man, I appreciate the thought. This sucks terribly. But I've come to expect being disappointed with Bioware over the last few years with their decision making, their putting everyone here under the same umbrella, some of their employees being as nasty to people as they claim people here to be, and just...dude, there's a lot to be disappointed about with Bioware man. Its difficult to stay invested with all thats happened.

 

But my stupid head's always been optimistic here. And I'll be optimistic to the end, going down with the ship when all the pessimists will say they told us so.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I remember before DAO when devs were telling us on the forums what kind of foods certain characters were most like, and what drink they would order at a bar.

And when we had cute names for things, like the mabari in DAO being called Rabbit. Its what I named mine.

I always named my mabaris Pippit after the dog in Jaws.

[LPPrince]

Heh. There's a reason why I changed my name. I am grieving, only there isn't the classic steps to it. It's all over the place. I'm not just mourning the loss and destruction of this site. I'm sad for the folks that have been here for years and remember devs talking to them. Last year, I got the chance to talk to Sheryl Chee, after I mentioned my husband had been friends with Matthew Shepard and how they met. I also had Gaider stop by when I first joined to answer a question on the forums.

Besides, it honestly is better than other ideas for my name change. I keep it really careful online and I rarely swear even in places were I can. In real life, I have one heck of a mouth. Especially if I'm tired and/or ticked off.

 

 

You wanna know what this forum used to be like? DEV STORY TIME-

 

I've always been interested in voice acting. Never had an opportunity though, nor have I ever had training. Still, its something I want to partake in.

 

So while interacting with developers on the forum(circa 2010) I was chatting it up with Fernando Melo. The result was him telling me I could record a video of me performing lines and he'd deliver that video to Caroline Livingstone, the VO Director. I was down for that. Thing is, I needed a script.

 

So I had an idea. Take some lines from DAO and perform them myself, and write my own lines and perform those as well. Combination of pre-existing+homemade. Lucky for me I'm a good writer.

 

I message Mary Kirby, Sheryl Chee, David Gaider, all writers. Showed them my script of lines from the games and what I came up with myself. Took their advice(mostly Kirby's and Chee's as Gaider didn't partake much in it but he did wish me the best) and finalized my script.

 

Only problem was I was never able to record it successfully. Too many things got in the way so it never came about. Shame. Bioware employees offered me an opportunity other companies wouldn't;example being Lionhead(RIP) who when I asked about voice acting for Fable I was basically told that if I wasn't already an established voice actor with a famous name I was SOL and to try asking again when I was popular.

 

That was the Bioware of old. The Bioware that died. The Bioware that used to be here but now only exists in memories scattered through the winds of fans longing for the company that used to be.

[Wolven_Soul]

Wolven,

Don't forget the tophats...werewolves and tophats.

And it is worth repeating, and repeating, and repeating, at least until the 26th. *wink*

 

Oh yeah, only thing cooler than a werewolf is a werewolf in a tophat.    We also got that 'Worgen of Stormwind' song from that, which I found hilariously awesome. 

 

*sighs*  Only twenty days away now.  Man it's disheartening.  You know, I liked this place so much, that instead of going to the CDPR forums to talk about Witcher, I did it here over in the Witcher thread.  That should really tell Bioware something.

[LPPrince]

Oh yeah, only thing cooler than a werewolf is a werewolf in a tophat.    We also got that 'Worgen of Stormwind' song from that, which I found hilariously awesome. 

 

*sighs*  Only twenty days away now.  Man it's disheartening.  You know, I liked this place so much, that instead of going to the CDPR forums to talk about Witcher, I did it here over in the Witcher thread.  That should really tell Bioware something.

 

 

If you like wolves and tophats try Smite and look at Fenrir's skins.

 

And aye, 20 days. Rough.

[Grieving Natashina]

If you like wolves and tophats try Smite and look at Fenrir's skins.
 
And aye, 20 days. Rough.

For the Horde! To be fair, my poor dranei went from troll to dranei and back again.

20 days to go and they are already beginning to delete stuff.

[LPPrince]

For the Horde! To be fair, my poor dranei went from troll to dranei and back again.

20 days to go and they are already beginning to delete stuff.

 

 

Makes it feel like some at Bioware see the forum as a hemorrhoid.

[thesuperdarkone2]

So is everyone feeling turgid or ennui?

[vbibbi]

I have returned. One of my likes this morning linked me to a post that was gone. Yay? I wasn't notified, as usual. Not sure which one it was. But thanks Mousestalker, for liking... something!

We can be buddies!

 

Also, bonus:

Spoiler

And yes, the middle picture is supposed to look ridiculous

 

Edit: All those reminders of having 0 warning points... Looks so out of place to have 2 now.

 

I enjoy all of your incarnations!

[LPPrince]

Miffed and cross come to mind

[AngryFrozenWater]

"It was fascinating, mind-blowing... And I'm also a bit thirsty." - Shepard.

[Ponendus]

This is completely bizarre. I am really going to miss it here.

[KumoriYami]

sigh... we have 20 days left as we stand at the brink of the Edge of the Abyss.

 

Maker, Howe has it come to this? While some of The Followers here certainly aren't Human Nobility, and even if some of us have Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts, the majority of us don't act like we're at a Tavern Brawl or Street Fight on the forums and aren't eager to engage in hostile confrontations, acting as if one must Battle the Blight. I suppose it is The Nature of the Beast to be restless in the Aftermath of controversial games, yet declaring Doom Upon the World still seems excessive given the forums have provided a community for gamers from all around to the world to engage in discussions as if they were around The Party Camp that only wanted to hear from BW fans. The Fall of the BSN forums will leave behind The BW Well of Sorrows, and gamers like me will certainly have a difficult time following BW in the future if they behave like The Dalish version of the Dread Wolf. Alas, as it seems that the Titan, EA, does not care about the Descent in gamer/consumer confidence from the minds of BW fans, as closing the forums will certainly give Rise to a Dark Dawn... one that certainly cause gamers to feel forever alienated from a company that once was touted to listen to its fans...  as the Sorrow we feel is real. 

 

Once We Were a community that was able to actively engage with one another for discussions, now we join the Legion of the Dead as we shall hear no more from each other aside from In Hushed Whispers which will be significantly muted as many of the Slightest Ones probably haven't even heard about the forums closing.

 

(...ugh seriously I should not have tried ranting with DA song names. doesn't seem to work as well as Mass Effect.)

[AngryFrozenWater]

At this point steam might just be escaping from my ears, and I am pretty sure my nostrils are flaring as I type this. But I liked ennui better. There were only two choices given and I didn't feel like ad-libbing. 

That has never stopped BSN before. We did get a refuse option, didn't we?

 

I wish we had one for closing the forums.

[Sifr]

You did?

Ha, that's totally cool Glad you liked them. Can you post a shot? We can compare!

 

I kept meaning to take snaps of all my Inquisitors for the various threads, but never got around to it. Got a fortnight left to rectify that if I can.

[Leo]

Got done watching the Killing Joke, that opening stuff for Batgirl is as pointless as closing down these forums.

[Vigilant111]

That has never stopped BSN before. We did get a refuse option, didn't we?

 

I wish we had one for closing the forums.

 

To be fair, BW did give you something you may choose to refuse: praising them through Facebook, Tumblr, Youtube, etc

[Vigilant111]

I wish Mods and BW realise that us continuing to participate in these forums we are doing them a favour as we are to a large extent still abiding their rules and guidelines. If they shun people out, they might get so distraught they go to Facebook and start hate-pages and more