Too bad this thread is not about influencing Bioware to change their minds, but has evolved into one raging complaint after another. One does not give a whining child the cookie; they are more likely to be sent to bed.
I think you may have the parties' ages reversed
The analogy I'd use, were I to use one, which I wouldn't, is that it's like a toddler informing her parents that she would no longer answer to her name, but would instead answer only to Royal Princeth Anathtathia
Incidentally I played WoW a lot and the toxicity was never as bad as here, this place unfortunately attracted some of the worst kinds of individuals.
I played a lot of WoW as well, and I disagree whole heartedly, the toxicity was much worse over on their forums.
In the military, got used to being disciplined with the offenders; same approach here. Simply refusing to throw a tantrum over cookies.
Key point: in the military. Probably not the best idea to be comparing a military unit to issues related to customer satisfaction. It makes about as much sense as punishing me for the house my next door neighbor burned down.
It was originally used as joke for something else.
But it makes me laugh EV-ERY TIME, so I had to
stealuse it for myself.
They actually deleted my joke, so it's quite good that you saved the gif.
Key point: in the military. Probably not the best idea to be comparing a military unit to issues related to customer satisfaction.
Perhaps if one ceased to act how they were treated, and more like how they wished they were treated, the forums would not be coming down in the first place.
Hopefully, my actions are not always predicated by how others behave. Prefer independent thought over racing towards the cliff like the other lemmings.
Perhaps if you stopped riding BioWare's long pole, you would see things. You aren't going to be given special treatment or recognition. No, you are going to be placed in the same boat with the rest of us on here. We have been given the finger. Are we supposed to be "happy about this and treat BioWare nicely even though we are being slapped in the face?"
BioWare has a poor relationship with their community and this only worsens it. People are naturally upset by this. Not being in touch with your community is a bad thing for a developer.
Perhaps if you stopped riding BioWare's long pole, you would see things. You aren't going to be given special treatment or recognition. No, you are going to be placed in the same boat with the rest of us on here. We have been given the finger. Are we supposed to be "happy about this and treat BioWare nicely even though we are being slapped in the face?"
BioWare has a poor relationship with their community and this only worsens it. People are naturally upset by this. Not being in touch with your community is a bad thing for a developer.
Happens elsewhere in business and life, too. These are partially the reasons why everyone has to leave deposits, increased rates, shred junk mail, follow restrictions, etc; because of the behavior of some others even if those be a lesser number.
If folks wish to be treated as adults, perhaps acting like one may be a decent place to begin....
While you're never going to get away from some collective responsibility, it's a pretty huge leap to go from "everyone is affected by the actions of a few" to "we're going to treat you exactly the same".
As an illustration, you do have something of a reputation for reporting other forum members for foul language. Since you seem to be a fan of collective responsibility, I'm guessing you wouldn't mind being banned right along side other childish posters as per your logic.
Were you always using "bEVEthesda" as a handle? (I've always been AlanC9 everywhere, but that's mostly so I don't end up wanting to reply to myself.)
No, I'm afraid not. bEVEsthda (you spelled it slightly wrong) got created when I needed to re-register in order to install some games. I don't remember when that was exactly, but I think it was just before DA2. (I think it might have been Spore?). I had an invalid email address linked to my previous account and EA customer support couldn't fix that extremely trivial problem so I made a new account. I'm Bevesthda on Vroom Vroom, but I have hardly posted there, haven't been there for ages.
In the old days, on News groups, and whatever forums, I used different handles on each, but most of them were some variation of "ian". I don't remember so well, but I think IanD and Vian might have been a couple of them. I do remember the handle I used before bEVEsthda but I'm not going to expose that. I'm by nature a rather volatile and impatient person. As bEVE I've successfully quelled a lot of that. ...and I've got older I guess.
This is a 'containment' thread.
How often do people routinely check the 'BioWare Forum/BSN Help' forum?
Exactly.
Even pinned links on the home page are ignored by many.
Given the decision to close, how the 'last days' are handled will be interesting.
Personally (as an optimistic person who enjoys BioWare IP) I think I want to enjoy the forum in the same way in its death as I enjoyed it in life.
Whilst only a fraction of a contribution of an LPPrince, >5,000 posts was not an afternoon's contribution
and in the main, it was fun doing it.
Sure with 17 days to go, I'm expecting activity of all kinds on the site will increase.
I'm also expecting the lock to come the moment that it can be considered to be August 26th.
Perhaps if one ceased to act how they were treated, and more like how they wished they were treated, the forums would not be coming down in the first place.
Hopefully, my actions are not always predicated by how others behave. Prefer independent thought over racing towards the cliff like the other lemmings.
Okay but IF this line of thought was what Bioware had in mind, are you suggesting that if everyone calmly accepted the news and thanked Bioware for the information, that they would change their mind and keep the forums open? One, that's an incredibly immature and mean-spirited thing for a company to do to its consumers and essentially is treating us as "kids fighting over a cookie" as you put it.
Two, what benefit would Bioware have if they suddenly decided not to close the forums? It would make them look wishy washy or capricious, which is not a great image for a company.
Three, there are threads asking not to close the forums. This is not a topic designed to ask for them to stay open, this is a topic telling us the boards are closing, so it's filled with people's reactions to that.
Four, quite honestly the emotions and frustration being shared here are probably not "helping" the relationship between this community and Bioware at all, but at this point, many feel that it doesn't matter. Nothing anyone here says will change anything, so instead of just keeping their reactions bottled up, people are venting here while they still can. It's a completely natural reaction, so while it's not helpful, it's to be expected and isn't doing anything to actively harm anything. As many have pointed out, the community's reaction to the boards closing is realistically not going to have any impact on Bioware as a company. So what's the harm in venting here?
Perhaps if you stopped riding BioWare's long pole, you would see things. You aren't going to be given special treatment or recognition. No, you are going to be placed in the same boat with the rest of us on here. We have been given the finger. Are we supposed to be "happy about this and treat BioWare nicely even though we are being slapped in the face?"
BioWare has a poor relationship with their community and this only worsens it. People are naturally upset by this. Not being in touch with your community is a bad thing for a developer.
They are still in touch for one, just not here and haven't been here for a while. Also, you aren't disproving that poster with that first sentence.
Seriously, it's okay to be upset but people are only proving how awful this forum had gotten by the over reactions and hostility this thread has provided.
I have a great relationship with Bioware and their games; simply am losing the forums like everyone else. This will hopefully not alter my own chosen behavior going forward; believe I learned that lesson long ago.
You know, it's ok if you like to give someone money for them to tell you to bend over and take whatever they give you, not judging here. But some BW clients have different tastes and will complain about not getting the service they expected. And it's their right to do so, as paying customers. BW is not giving out any freebies here.
While you're never going to get away from some collective responsibility, it's a pretty huge leap to go from "everyone is affected by the actions of a few" to "we're going to treat you exactly the same".
As an illustration, you do have something of a reputation for reporting other forum members for foul language. Since you seem to be a fan of collective responsibility, I'm guessing you wouldn't mind being banned right along side other childish posters as per your logic.
They are still in touch for one, just not here and haven't been here for a while. Also, you aren't disproving that poster with that first sentence.
Seriously, it's okay to be upset but people are only proving how awful this forum had gotten by the over reactions and hostility this thread has provided.
They don't sound like they're in touch when they are closing down the forums despite the protest of their community. People are being given the middle finger here, they are upset. I am unhappy about this myself.
Let them voice their opinions about the matter. Things such as this will naturally trigger a negative reaction.
While you're never going to get away from some collective responsibility, it's a pretty huge leap to go from "everyone is affected by the actions of a few" to "we're going to treat you exactly the same".
As an illustration, you do have something of a reputation for reporting other forum members for foul language. Since you seem to be a fan of collective responsibility, I'm guessing you wouldn't mind being banned right along side other childish posters as per your logic.
You know, it's ok if you like to give someone money for them to tell you to bend over and take whatever they give you, not judging here. But some BW clients have different tastes and will complain about not getting the service they expected. And it's their right to do so, as paying customers. BW is not giving out any freebies here.
I expect to get warnings for violations like everyone else, and to follow the guidelines for debating such if they were made erroneously.
And I am being banned from the forums like everyone. Sad that it is happening, made my pleas for saving the boards, and will make plans moving forward. Throwing a hissy fit at Bioware ain't a part of those actions. ME:A pre-ordered.
I notice that you did dodge my question though - by your logic, would you have considered it acceptable for Bioware to have issued a temp. ban for actions which had no relation to your own here on the forums. That is, in a nutshell, what collective responsibilty is. Unless your answer here is a "yes, I wholeheartedly support getting a temp ban even when I did nothing wrong", the whole point falls apart.
I expect to get warnings for violations like everyone else, and to follow the guidelines for debating such if they were made erroneously.
And I am being banned from the forums like everyone. Sad that it is happening, made my pleas for saving the boards, and will make plans moving forward. Throwing a hissy fit at Bioware ain't a part of those actions. ME:A pre-ordered.
You can preorder ME:A already? I'm not entirely surprised but c'mon, there hasn't been any gameplay shown, nor do we really know much or little about the game.
At this rate I won't be surprised if by september you can preorder Bioware's new IP, or Half Life 4*
*That 4 is not a typo.
They are still in touch for one, just not here and haven't been here for a while. Also, you aren't disproving that poster with that first sentence.
Seriously, it's okay to be upset but people are only proving how awful this forum had gotten by the over reactions and hostility this thread has provided.
Uhh no, a middle finger to the forums like this is naturally going to bring out the bitter side of people and doesn't really say anything about what the state of the forum was pre-middle finger. It was much worse immediately after DA2 and ME3 than it was on July 28.
You can preorder ME:A already?
MEA Amazon pre-order has been available for more than two years...
I notice that you did dodge my question though - by your logic, would you have considered it acceptable for Bioware to have issued a temp. ban for actions which had no relation to your own here on the forums. That is, in a nutshell, what collective responsibilty is. Unless your answer here is a "yes, I wholeheartedly support getting a temp ban even when I did nothing wrong", the whole point falls apart.
Not free, but I receive Patches and QA like everyone else for the games I own and play. If one wishes to act childish on their way out the door, tis their right to do so, but I have other notions.
Patches are kinda a customer's god given right, considering their very existence implies the developer effed something up in the first place. Removing a space which those very customers used to discuss (and fix) a ton of issues BW couldn't be bothered to deal with because it was also used to express dissatisfaction with the products they're selling is what I'd call childish.
Why not ban negative reviews on Amazon while we're at it? Only option should be five stars, or no review at all.
Retour en haut
