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#5876
Grieving Natashina

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That wouldn't happen unless they saved everything after closure and didn't say anything. Which I mean they could, but thats crazy optimistic. I wouldn't bet on it.


Alan did make me think of something. They are taking the forums offline, but that doesn't mean a delete. It could be easier and cheaper to make the archives offline for the time being. Perhaps they are testing the waters to see what a social-media only approach is going to do. I'm not betting on anything right now, but it's as good of a theory as any at this point.
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There seem to be a trend of people thinking the reason for the closure is that the forums make Bioware and/or games look bad. And that was my first thought as well. However:

 

I peeked in at Reddit yesterday and almost recoiled in horror. This - Bioware's forums - is a safe space by comparison! On Reddit, Bioware is loathed, EA is less than a dog turd on the street, and our developer heroes are torn to shreds. We are not going to be able to discuss games as we've been doing here.

 

Luckily, we now have alternative forums instead. Moving more Bioware games discussion to Reddit seem like an unbelievably bad PR idea. 

 

So what's going on?


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I have talked to enough people who have really liked Inquisition, and yet still recognize that it has it's share of flaws, to find that statement questionable.  TW3 is one of the greatest games ever in my opinion, but I am not going to sit here and say that it doesn't have it's flaws.

 

Except what most people list as flaws I do not agree with in any respect.  If you want to talk about some wonky facial animation, I'll agree.  If you want to talk about the steeds being useless because it nullifies banter, I'll be right there with you.  If you want to discuss some of the glitches and hang ups (sadly prevalent in all games), then I will add my voice to it. 

 

But when people are parroting the tired opinion that the quests are mostly MMO style fetch with no substance... I will list not just quests that show this is merely opinion, but a wider variety of quests compared to the many games people hold up against Inquisition. When people claim the main villain is weak and poorly developed... I'll point to the actual build of a man out of time trying to fix what he finds wrong, widespread groups working in his favour, and as proof against it.  When people claim Inquisition doesn't "show" enough, I'll easily point to detail after detail that builds a world and atmosphere that simply doesn't tell you everything in an easy to digest cutscene. 

 

So again, where most of those on this forum have found flaws, I did not.  And I have recently come to realize that this forum's "consensus" is not matching the reaction of almost anyone I know that has played the game.  This forum had simply become an echo chamber where differing opinions were not very welcome and many people either stopped posting or never started.  That was the major problem the past few years... this forum went to one of the most open and friendly places to one that is frustrating, cynical, cliquish, and generally so uninviting that as much as I wish it could be rehabilitated and stay around, I just don't think it is possible.  


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#5879
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What would be the financial issue? That Bioware is blowing money away or that EA won't fund them?

More like they're funding a website they no longer like to manage or care about.


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They have had nothing but good experiences on reddit. When the devs have done AMA (Ask Me Anything,) there seems to be a tighter moderation control then usual. I'd say most of reddit is alright (my husband is a redditor) but any game subreddit is pretty awful. If someone "official" from a company comes in, the mods are a lot more strict than usual. For us on the forums, we're just scum.

I know it's not true for all of the BioWare based subreddits. I read the DA subreddit and while they are cautious, they said they would be cool. The ME subreddit though? I think I'll stay far far away.
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I think we'll see DA4, since DA:I sold well. I do have my doubts as whether or not it'll say BioWare on it though.

 

It'll still say Bioware.

 

What that will mean is another question.


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Happy to announce we have successfully imported over one million posts from dragon age origins, and the toolset subforum.

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Very cool. Works like advertised. Congrats!

 

This should make the DA:O modders happy. :)


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#5883
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More like they're funding a website they no longer like to manage or care about.


I really think that's all it is, and any correlation to the decline of share prices or the world pirate population or Donald Trump is only a correlation.

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They have had nothing but good experiences on reddit. When the devs have done AMA (Ask Me Anything,) there seems to be a tighter moderation control then usual. I'd say most of reddit is alright (my husband is a redditor) but any game subreddit is pretty awful. If someone "official" from a company comes in, the mods are a lot more strict than usual. For us on the forums, we're just scum.

I know it's not true for all of the BioWare based subreddits. I read the DA subreddit and while they are cautious, they said they would be cool. The ME subreddit though? I think I'll stay far far away.

I've not visited the ME Subreddit. They hostile to the forums? or just weird?



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I've not visited the ME Subreddit. They hostile to the forums? or just weird?

Edit: I guess this whole thing has brought out my Muse. A bitter, rather angry and depressed Muse, but it's there. Spoilers for size:

Spoiler

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So discussing the moderation is a warning or ban? 

 

Warning first, and if you continue then ban.


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Now I'm just imagining EA support redirecting customers to the forums after they've been shut down. Somehow I feel it's going to happen once or thrice...


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Now I'm just imagining EA support redirecting customers to the forums after they've been shut down. Somehow I feel it's going to happen once or thrice...


You sort of just broke me.

I started imagining EA customer support to the various alternative social media the OP mentioned.

"You need to Tweet your question"

"Check out our Facebook page"

"You could state your problem at Reddit"

"You need to ask a developer. One will be at Pac 2017. Ask him there."

And more darkly:

"We have a very popular thread on 4chan."
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#5889
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True, and she's actually pretty cool. It's a shame she's in a show as crap as Arrow.

 

LOL I agree, I didn't really like Arrow. Too much nonsense. But she was mainly the reason why I kept watching.



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You sort of just broke me.I started imagining EA customer support to the various alternative social media the OP mentioned."You need to Tweet your question""Check out our Facebook page""You could state your problem at Reddit""You need to ask a developer. One will be at Pac 2017. Ask him there."And more darkly:"We have a very popular thread on 4chan."


...I just read that in Isabela's voice. You win this current version of page 236!

That's what I was thinking as well. Just, you made it, you know...funny. :P
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WTF? This thread made it past page 231? Is it the mods day off or something?


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Warning first, and if you continue then ban.

 

Assuming they include a link to the site rules in their accompanying message (which seems like a safe assumption)... I don't suppose anyone has tried pointing out directly to them that there's nothing in the site rules that prohibits it, either implicitly or explicitly? In fact, I'm not sure there's even anything that you can spin as prohibiting it.


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#5893
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ME3 spoilers warning:

Spoiler

As usual, destroy remains the best option. Although oddly, we can do destroy and control at the same time :P On that note, I'm reminded of some of Hackett's words of wisdom:

 

"There's only one way to defeat the Reapers: No more Reapers!"


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#5894
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Assuming they include a link to the site rules in their accompanying message (which seems like a safe assumption)... I don't suppose anyone has tried pointing out directly to them that there's nothing in the site rules that prohibits it, either implicitly or explicitly? In fact, I'm not sure there's even anything that you can spin as prohibiting it.

The site rules say that you can't discuss the moderators' actions, which is open to interpretation. There is no way you can spin it into "remove any posts with the word 'mod' in them" though <_< I did sort of point that out to them (by asking for clarification) in a PM, but they don't respond or even usually read PMs. Because that will certainly help people follow the rules :rolleyes:


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Just be wary, they'll turn on you in a heartbeat.  :whistle:

hawt!


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Joking around aside, I'm still sad about the lack of logic in and the flawed reasoning given for the closure, and that they still have not taken note of any of the many legitimate practical concerns that multiple users have brought to their attention more than once (bar one), much less provided any concrete tangible solutions or guidance on the matter. :( This is not the BioWare I've zealously loved and passionately supported and defended for over six years. That defense btw has been across not all, but still many fronts, ranging from the people who decry BW for "pandering to SJWs" to the extreme SJWs who think every little thing BW do is something-phobic..

It's a recurring joke amongst my friend group irl that over the years I've single-handedly generated BioWare's merchandise profits and turned more people onto playing their games than their own marketing department. The joking statements are ridiculous super-hyperbole to be sure but the amount of money I've happily spent on clothing and posters and extended universe comics and books etc, the amount of people I infected with my passion for the games (I count at least ten friends off the top of my head who bought ME or DA games on my recommendation / as a result of my constant enthusiasm beating them over the head until they submitted [lol]).. That is without even going into the people I reached on my blog, where I sometimes get messages saying I converted them to loving x character or generated their hype for z character or soothed their worries over y upcoming game such that they will still buy it or that they followed me for news updated on one franchise but as a result of following me got into the other.. My n7 hoodie gets called my "turtle shell" or "the MJ uniform" because I'm hardly seen without it (I might as well be a parody of myself). Me and my ten friends and my blog followers/readers are a drop in the ocean of game purchases and a speck of dust compared to your social media reach of course, but still. I might as well be a walking talking billboard for the company. A FREE billboard. A billboard that continually /gives them its own money/. There's another recurring joke as well, that if BW packaged a turd in a box as their next game I'd still play it and enjoy it and give it a high rating. I acknowledge there's a grain of truth in that.. I wasn't blind to the flaws of DA2 but I still absolutely adored and enjoyed the game. I had a few small issues with the ME3 endings but was overall okay with them and again freaking loved that game. And so forth

I'm no financial analyst and I don't know any figures, and I'm sure the people you reach on social media/the 'casual gamer' market (like I see people saying are the reason why BW does x and y at the expense of their hardcore old fans, to reach more casual gamers and new customers) vastly outnumber and as a group outspend/create more profit than fans like me, but I wonder. If there are nine other fans like me we turned one hundred people onto your games. And that grows from there? If a casual gamer buys the game once, in comparison as an individual I (we really, because the people that frequent BSN are not usually the casual type) generate much more profit (two copies of both Me3 and Dai [dont ask why], 2 n7 hoodies [old and new kind], all the comics and books except for mage killer at present [on my to buy list], at least 6 posters in which one specific character is featured or at least appears in around my place [that's just one character btw], getting the CEs and all the dlcs, preordering in good faith, bioware merchandise friends get FOR me for birthday presents and the like, that's still money going to you that originates from me, because believe me I get a lot of those as well..) I don't mean that I should be catered to over anyone else or that I'm more important, I'm not. I am just expressing a worry about the future of the company if the revenue and other support from that sort of fan is lost? And really its the fans like this that carry the spirit of a company also :/ they carry it with them and nurture it like its a little flame.

Three things BioWare: I would not have become such a passionate hard line fan without a community of fellow fans to discuss my passions with; a community of that nature will not be found in the future on Twitter or Instagram; and this is the kind of fan that the forum closure seems to be turning away. :| this is not meant as a threat or a "pre-order" cancelled moment or even as an impassioned don't close the BSN plea, by the way but as a genuine expression of disappointment and dismay. I'll still get Andromeda because I'm so invested in the universe, but how long til that is eroded away even in people like me? Evidently it's been eroded away for many others already as a result of other actions in the past. Maybe now that I've experienced what for me is my first "blow" I understand those people a bit better. For them things like da2, ME3 ending, offtopic closure and so on has been blow after blow. There's only so much people can take or ignore, you know?

I'm sure it's entertaining to some of the folk who turned away from BW years ago (you know the kind.. Genuinely toxic trolls that stayed around only to criticize and make trouble, who slammed on BW for every fault real and perceived, who spent time personally targeting devs) that a 'BioDrone' is finally feeling kicked in the nads by the company that they should up d have 'seen the light' over years ago ("told you so!"), or that there are some reading who are frustrated shaking their heads like 'you stupid sheep it's your continued patronage that allowed them to continue making games and creative decisions that were bad or poor quality, the BW you loved hasn't existed for several years you brought this on yourself', or people who think my level of interest/love for the games is pathetic or unhealthy but I don't really care.
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#5897
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The site rules say that you can't discuss the moderator's actions, which is open to interpretation. There is no way you can spin it into "remove any posts with the word 'mod' in them" though <_< I did sort of point that out to them (by asking for clarification) in a PM, but they don't respond or even usually read PMs. Because that will certainly help people follow the rules :rolleyes:

 

I do see that in section 7, but I think that to apply that to any broad discussion of moderation in general requires a pretty liberal reading. Fair enough though - I guess that would apply narrowly.

 

I'm not seeing anyone addressing specific actions or parties here, though.  Just generally discussing the phenomenon.


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Assuming they include a link to the site rules in their accompanying message (which seems like a safe assumption)... I don't suppose anyone has tried pointing out directly to them that there's nothing in the site rules that prohibits it, either implicitly or explicitly? In fact, I'm not sure there's even anything that you can spin as prohibiting it.

 

He... "knowledge of the site rules will help you"... the mods have dismissed that claim.

 

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These Glassdoor reviews only confirm what most of us has long since suspected. It is now crystal clear why Bioware considered these Forums toxic. We had the temerity, the unmitigated gall to disagree with their "genius". We lowly ignorant plebeians have dared to question their artistic brilliance for far too long, as if their reaction to ME3s outcry didn't make this obvious enough. Bioware is dead, and it has been for years. The thing that has limped on with Biowares name is akin to a wounded animal that needs to be put down out of mercy. totallynot!Patrick Weeks made this clear years ago, but no one was willing to believe those words, and just accept the official story that his account was hacked. But I knew, I knew as soon as I saw that link the truth in those words. Caesy and Mac fully believed a single page doodle with the words "Speculations for Everyone!" underlined 3 times was artistic brilliance. That literally ripping off the ending to Deus Ex was ingenious. How this didn't give more people warning signs back then I will never know.

 

This only reaffirms what I said earlier in this thread. That I will never again buy a New copy of any future Bioware game, and might pass entirely if reviews from people whos opinions I respect are negative. I am more convinced than ever that MEA will be a total train wreck, and will be the final nail in the coffin of their own making. As much as I don't really want that to happen, it seems like an inevitable end to this story. I became emotionally divorced from this company after ME3, but I continued to foolishly hope they would realize their mistakes and right the ship. Oh what I fool I was for thinking that now. I emotionally said goodbye a long time ago, but now this is the physical goodbye Bioware, this is The Big Goodbye, to quote TNG. 

 

Thank you for KOTOR, for Jade Empire, for NWN, for Baulder's Gate, for Mass Effect 1, for Dragon Age. Thank you for the many wonderful years of joy and entertainment. Now however those days are over, as is my relationship with you. Not that it matters anyway, since we were all apparently too dumb and childish to understand those epic masterpieces anyway, because we are but scum on your shoes compared to your obviously superior creative brilliance, like "The cave" and enemies dropping down from the sky for no reason, which you all defended far too vehemently to be taken seriously. My only hope is one day, you look back on these actions, and finally realize what childish nonsense your behavior was. Farewell Bioware, I wish I could say it's been good, but frankly, it hasn't been good for a long time now.  

 

On the other hand, if all the 'old guard' are gradually leaving and people like totallynot!PatrickWeekes are taking more control over decisions, is it so bad?

 

I mean, even if MEA kinda sucks, if Mac Walters is 'part of the problem', then it'll likely be his last trip and if Mass Effect continues (with or without our patronage) we can see what's next! :D

 

Honestly I liked DAO and didn't much like DA2 and only kinda liked DAI, but I see a path forward for that franchise at least.

 

Am I a Biodrone for that?


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There seem to be a trend of people thinking the reason for the closure is that the forums make Bioware and/or games look bad. And that was my first thought as well. However:
 
I peeked in at Reddit yesterday and almost recoiled in horror. This - Bioware's forums - is a safe space by comparison! On Reddit, Bioware is loathed, EA is less than a dog turd on the street, and our developer heroes are torn to shreds. We are not going to be able to discuss games as we've been doing here.
 
Luckily, we now have alternative forums instead. Moving more Bioware games discussion to Reddit seem like an unbelievably bad PR idea. 
 
So what's going on?


Priestly mentioned that unnamed higher ups at Bioware had wanted to shut the forums down after the release of DA2 and ME3's ending controversy. I think that lends a lot of weight to speculation that the closure is in large part motivated by the considerable amount of criticism Bioware was taking on it's official forums over recent releases. The forums were tolerated only so long as they remained a hug box and an unpaid hype machine.

While Reddit is no less critical than the BSN, it has no official connection to Bioware.

This whole thing reeks of a corporate marketing decision and the suits viewing the forums as toxic and damaging to Bioware's brand.
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