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[serenai]

... I won't rant about it too much since most people here are probably excited and who likes a killjoy?
 
So I'm in limbo right now. I need more info, and I'll stick around to get it from the new sites. I might not post as much though. But I understand where you're coming from, where I fear I'll be depending on their next games. I wish you the best, whatever happens, and if good things happen, come find us

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If MEA ends up being amazing and having all the things I like and miss and word gets back to me about it somehow(the BSN was my only place for BW news)
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Some of the personal fan sites will be keeping up with news. You could check them occasionally, and see if you like what you see? Although for me, once I move away from something I tend to keep going. The nostalgia is awesome but once bitten, twice shy.

I'm going to keep princessstabbity.com updated for Dragon Age and some mentions of other BioWare games, at least for now. I still make saves for people who are unable to start a game due to that really bad bug in the beginning of Inquisition that they never fixed, so I'll at least keep doing that. I have this site to keep all info I find in one place and to help people with trouble shooting, and helping people would be hard for me to give up.

For Mass Effect, masseffect.watch is supposed to have updates over time, and I'm sure they'll have reviews eventually on Andromeda so you can see if you'd like to play it.

Good luck whatever you both (and others not joining other forums) decide I will miss many people here - some are moving to the other forums, but some won't be.. and that feels like a great loss to me.

[LPPrince]

Next to Workday Cheer, your astronomy threads tied for the best ones to ever happen on this forum. You are a kind, considerate, passionate poster who tries to see the best in everyone. You made off topic a better place by contributing to it, just as you'll make any corner of the internet you happen to spend time in better for having you. 

 

::hugs::

 

 

^Also invited to wedding someday

[Seraphim24]

Speaking really honestly I just think that Bioware is mostly just like the conventional "hero story," they don't really have a proper "nerd story" (lots of non-PC humor/jokes etc) that would really possibly inspire the hero writers and stuff. 

 

David Gaider was the last of that and he left for Beamdog, so their creative direction seems to be really narrowed entirely on the hero stuff. 

 

I guess I just see Bio's issue (in a sense) as being pretty easy to diagnose, despite all the drama or whatever. 

[Nefla]

Some of the personal fan sites will be keeping up with news. You could check them occasionally, and see if you like what you see? Although for me, once I move away from something I tend to keep going. The nostalgia is awesome but once bitten, twice shy.

I'm going to keep princessstabbity.com updated for Dragon Age and some mentions of other BioWare games, at least for now. I still make saves for people who are unable to start a game due to that really bad bug in the beginning of Inquisition that they never fixed, so I'll at least keep doing that. I have this site to keep all info I find in one place and to help people with trouble shooting, and helping people would be hard for me to give up.

For Mass Effect, masseffect.watch is supposed to have updates over time, and I'm sure they'll have reviews eventually on Andromeda so you can see if you'd like to play it.

Good luck whatever you both (and others not joining other forums) decide I will miss many people here - some are moving to the other forums, but some won't be.. and that feels like a great loss to me.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I'm like you and the nostalgia has finally worn off. I think the only way I will be hearing about any BW news from now on is if they make a game that is so amazing that fan word of mouth spreads to me and I go look into it. I just don't feel any reason to keep updated on a company whose games just aren't for me anymore and really haven't been for several years now.

[PillingPower]

I didn't post often but I checked out the forums every few days and found them a great source of news and rumour, as well as containing some great debates. I'm not on twitter or reddit or any other of these new-fangled social media that Bioware say they will utilise from now on. For me, it was never really about input from Bioware staff (though that was nice when it occurred), but all about fan input.

 

I feel closing the forums is a mistake, as it will reduce interest and chatter in Bioware games past, present and future. Hopefully a fan-based forum will emerge eventually - I still remember the old 'Grey Warden' forum that pre-dated Bioware's.

 

Why do people really think Bioware are doing this?

[AngryFrozenWater]

What I'll miss the most about the the BSN are the discussions about stuff that really mattered.

 

Such as why mage hats were so fu**ing ugly.

And don't forget invisible bow strings!

 

Yeah. The hats were terrible. To this day, the designer of those is afraid to talk about his job at parties.

 

Thing is that a lot of suggestions, made it into the next games. It's not impossible to use the other media to do research, but that's probably more controlled. And just like telemetry data, it is harder to get suggestions that are valuable, but are outside the initial focus.

[ForgottenWarrior]

So it's true - you'l never appreciate things unless you'l lose them.

I kinda understand why you closing forums. You said it yourself - Extended Cut was a painful expirience. A lot of people had to get back into studio, a lot of resources had to be spend - and all of this because of "fan's reaction". No surprise you don't wan't to repeat this thing ever. Still, as fan myself i would prefer "ensuring the quality" approach much more.

BSN was a place to land some feedback. Even if this feedback would never be read by devs, more important that i made it. Just like this time. Sad it's about to be closed.

Bye everyone, was great time hanging here with you! Hope i'l see you again somewhere.

[Spirit Vanguard]

What to do when your effort to help the community for after BSN closes is punished...

I don't have words for my boiling irritation right now.



In case it wasn't obvious at this point: closing BSN is stupid. All of this is stupid.

[planehazza]

One thing is for sure, EA/BW are no longer getting any pre order money from me.  I was 100% set on pre ordering ME:A but after this farce, I won't be pre ordering anything by them.  I wonder how many immediate sales they will lose over this...

[Elhanan]

One thing is for sure, EA/BW are no longer getting any pre order money from me.  I was 100% set on pre ordering ME:A but after this farce, I won't be pre ordering anything by them.  I wonder how many immediate sales they will lose over this...

Not mine....

[AtalaSirion]

hello everyone i am back, i was bad so i was put in the corner to think of my wrong-doings.

anyway so many great posts appeared while i was away so i need to give a lot of favs

 

closing this forum will never be a good decision, it will alienate and separate fans from the creators of the franchises.

it will put a big wall between us and them, i guess bioware do not want a long and passionate discussions.

[SofaJockey]

I wonder how many immediate sales they will lose over this...

 

I think it will be totally insignificant.

Complaints aside, this group is highly invested. A meaningful boycott? I don't think so.

 

This forum has around 50 people signed-in members actively online at the moment, who represent about 10% of those visiting.

 

The last peak of activity on this forum was just under 6,000 visitors, so around 10x current traffic.

That was when DAI launch was announced, and by the time that happens for MEA, this forum will already have been deleted.

 

Set that against the 1,000,000 people who follow BioWare on twitter.

 

I still think it's a disappointing decision, and I would encourage folk to move to one of the credible alterative groups, but the impact on BioWare?

 

From the 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy':

• [Arthur Dent is laying in front of a bulldozer which is about to demolish his house]
• "Some factual information for you. Have you any idea how much damage that bulldozer would suffer if I just let it roll straight over you?"
• "How much?"
• "None at all."

[HiroVoid]

Bioware requires a sacrifice if it wants to achieve true mainstream greatness.

 

This forum on the 26th.

 

[cindercatz]

Hmm............

Well. I guess I'll leave a cold, cold night post now, because I don't know if I'll log back on before it all goes dark or not.

I read a post a while back in the thread about how comforting the poster's message board friends were when she was lonely, struggling with working away from home on extended trips. This community became a reliable thread in her life, a source of reliable friends and acquaintances, comrades she could meet with at any given time over common interests in a way and a space that just doesn't really exist outside of message boards like this. And the community here became a unique mix of people that welcomed her in and filled unique roles in her life.

...That's kind of what it has been for me as well, even if I didn't frequent any particular defined social group or things like that. Like when my dad had heart surgery earlier this year, I just needed a 'familiar face', or somebody that at least knew me a little bit to go and talk to for a little bit. And sure I texted my friends over the last couple years, but I also came here, because I knew that somebody here would at least listen for a little bit, and somebody would make me laugh. And back over the last so many years, as I was dealing with severe injuries and isolation for quite a while, I would come here to just pour my mind into something light, something I could engage my creativity with and debate with a smile, propose my own ideas and enjoy all the passion and creativity of other people here, and generally just get lost in something I loved that wasn't breaking the world open with like-minded people. And I've become fond of seeing a lot of you guys' posts and bouncing back and forth on one thing or the other over the years. This is NOT and never has been a toxic place. I remember that word coming up on the official survey about the boards a while back, and it kind of stunned me that anybody would think that at the time. But it kept popping up in comments.

Sure, some people were not so kind, or dismissive like some people always are, but I genuinely enjoyed contributing to the conversation, and this place was full of wonderful people who were more than welcoming. Some are genuinely supportive, and every now and then, I knew that I had found a friend, at least as much as my limited presense allowed.. And I knew somebody genuinely cared, and I genuinely cared about and appreciated all of you who were those people for me, if you're reading this, even if my communication might have been limited to the message board equivalent of a holiday card at times, especially recently.

The cherry on top, distant second to you guys, was the very real contribution we got to make to the development of these games. I saw so many board suggestions adopted in each release, and each one improved the finished product we got to play, and that was a thrill. I honestly don't expect future games to be as strong without the resource of their fan community. Consequently, I'm not going to anticipate future games in quite the same way. We'll just kind of see what we get, and our input won't be there like it has been. I think that's very unfortunate.

Honestly, I don't expect to even be aware of future releases until often times after they've hit the market. This board was basically my primary conduit to the online video game press, things that other people bring up, nevermind BioWare developments in particular.

So that's it, I guess. It was good knowing you all, and if I see you around online, I'll be glad for it.

Signing off. *hugs and handshakes*

[Animechick69]

Speaking really honestly I just think that Bioware is mostly just like the conventional "hero story," they don't really have a proper "nerd story" (lots of non-PC humor/jokes etc) that would really possibly inspire the hero writers and stuff. 

 

David Gaider was the last of that and he left for Beamdog, so their creative direction seems to be really narrowed entirely on the hero stuff. 

 

I guess I just see Bio's issue (in a sense) as being pretty easy to diagnose, despite all the drama or whatever. 

 

Totes. Like that conventional hero story is just like sooo last month. BioWer is totes pandering to the essentially caustic hipster sheeple with all of this politically correctness and stuff or whatever.

 

And don't forget the like totes weird obsession with like sexual assault. Solas is a caustic rapist and stuff.

[Biotic Apostitute]

What I'll miss the most about the the BSN are the discussions about stuff that really mattered.
  
Such as why mage hats were so fu**ing ugly.

:nods:

Style matters

Which brings up another important point about Bioware's future means of interacting with its public. Up until now, the representatives have, with one stellar exception, been poorly dressed. Jessica Merizan dressed well. She got it. Everyone else just threw on random bits of contemporary clothing and called it a day. If you want to know why the mage hats were so unsatisfactory, look at how the people responsible for them dress.

[NoName55]

What I'll miss the most about the the BSN are the discussions about stuff that really mattered.

 

 

 

 

 

Such as why mage hats were so fu**ing ugly.

 

 

Why disriminate ? I was screaming with disgust at those terrible headwears for rogue Hawke.

Ugh and the Champion Armor for Rogue headgear was sooooo ... somoene in past commented this as "the condom".

I must completly agree with whoever this person was. It's horrible.

 

Nah that hat at least on Anders looks better. On Morrigan looked dreadfull - especially with her clothing style.

I guess coming up with special headgear just for Morrigan was too much work to expect from BioWare.

After all they were rushing by one year with creation of DA II so what would they possible care about Origins fatal design crimes.

 

In the end all mine Hawke's (two rogues and one mage) ended up AVOIDING any headgear.

As for Origins I never had there Surana neither Amell so problem was only this how stupid Morrigan looks with her normal clothes and this hat.

Thank Nor for Wynne - she was the only one who would wear these.

Morrigan ends always with this more violet hat.

On my Dalish Hunter she got complete ban on ugly hats ... guess Thosen Mahariel didn't liked his girlfriend in stupid hats

 

What hat was to Mage Champion armor ? Becuase I don't remember. Hmm ... perhaps I will go to Theresa Hawke now ..

 

PS: In the meanwhile at the end of BSN I have been reassured that I must - quoting Cassandra - "Deal with it" regarding my issues with crashing Keep world summarization. They cannot help me. Boy I am sure these guys on EA will help me ... only not.

 

And thank to ninja (sorry too big amount of numbers for me to remember) for telling me WHY Inon Zur was replaced. I loved his work on many games, perhaps Dragon Age is not the brightest example since I absolutely hated his soundtrack to Origins. Anyway I loved his soundtracks to both New Vegas and Dragon Age II. They are one of mine favourites of all gaming OST's.

To be fair I liked Trevor Morris work but I never understood the decision to switching Inon Zur for him.

I thought that they wanted something glorious to match Skyrim OST more like and that's where purposes of Inon Zur and Inquisition split up.

It would be lovely to see another DA with storyline and entire idea more like Dragon Age II for me, since epicness for many parts is just ... to simple and too cliche. Just look at the Origins - cliche after cliche game.

[voteDC]

One thing is for sure, EA/BW are no longer getting any pre order money from me.  I was 100% set on pre ordering ME:A but after this farce, I won't be pre ordering anything by them.  I wonder how many immediate sales they will lose over this...

They never had mine for Andromeda.

Bioware seem to want to go into the shooter genre, even the controls of Dragon Age: Inquisition felt far more shooter than they should have been.

The problem is that they aren't that good at it. ME3 gets praise for its combat but compare that to even the first Gears of War (same game engine used on both series, so a fair comparison) and it's blown completely out of the water.

Perhaps the switch to the Frostbite engine means Bioware can get Dice to give them some advice on how to make a decent shooter, but given their recent output perhaps not.

Anyway, I went off on a tangent there. Bioware to me don't seem to want to make the types of games that made them famous. The types of game where they could do no wrong in the eyes of their fans. The types of games that made EA want to buy them in the first place. The problem is that those are the types of game I want from Bioware, and it's clear that I'm no longer going to get them.

I wish Bioware all the success, I would hate to see them pushed into EA's dead devs graveyard. Yet in such a small space of time I've gone from 'buy without question' to 'I'll wait and see.'

Maybe Andromeda is going to be fantastic and I'll look back and regret not buying it at launch. I have a suspicion though that I will be waiting for the Game of the Year Edition if I ever decide to get it.

[Reever]

I find it interesting that folks are focusing on the closing, when the deletion is the problem. For those that are overlooking that little fact, this is the site that helped build the faqs that IGN uses. Those breakdowns about class and rotation? Gone. Many sources from the DA and ME wiki that could only be found on this site? Gone, and it's only due to dedicated posters that posts are being archived. Bug fix conversations? Gone. Confirmations by devs and writers about lore? Gone.

I've read a lot of justifications for closing the forums. As I have mentioned before, I don't like it but I understand it. What I cannot understand, even after a week since I found out, is why they feel the need to delete everything. So much useful information is going to be lost. The stuff that's being to be able to be saved is going to be scattered across multiple sites. When I would google for bug fixes and the like, it would take me right back to this site. Or I'd go to a different site and get linked right back here.

So for those that say, "Good riddance to bad rubbish," you're really missing the big picture. They are trashing everything, and not all of it was really bad. Faqs, walkthroughs, theorycrafting...all going poof. This is going to effect BIoWare badly in the long run. When people are trying to find an easy and safe place for information, they'll get a 404 error. Gods knows how long it's going to take to have new google hits. Sure players can go to various fan sites, but it lacks a certain legimacy that an official forum provides.

If they simply closed the forums, that would be one thing. I knew that this had a chance of happening the second I clicked Accept on the TOS. Posting here wasn't a right after all, so that's part of the deal. However, I cannot understand years of good information, that has nothing much to do with the social aspect, being deleted. I don't understand the point of that at all. While the debate can certainly be made about the harassment some devs/writers have received, the forums simply being closed would help with that. Complete and total erasure is going too far.

QFT!!!!

[mgagne]

Woo!  First warning point - and my thoughtful post went to the trash can.

 

 

Compliment of Six

 

Spoiler

[voteDC]

To be honest I think people are taking the closure and deletion as the same thing, not that they are ignoring the latter.

I've had the info for the mods and tweaks I like to do saved to my hard drive for quite a while, I've even got a lot of it written down on paper (getting very tatty these days, should really get around to typing it out.) I imagine that a lot of us here have done the same thing, we like to have a local copy just in case anything like the closure and deletion ever happened.

For current fans we've made sure to have backups of the info we need already. The problem for Bioware is that new players, who perhaps get the old trilogy off the back of Andromeda, will be going to third party sites for that level of information.

On these forums Bioware have a level of control over what is said and done, and they are giving all that up because they can't be bothered to come here.

[NoName55]

Okay I'm off to get into newest rage over Keep working in it's thread as long as BSN still exists. This is getting out of control. In one minute Keep has made a PURGE of all of my wardens. They simply all vanished ! Game is detected but Keep cannot even locate Wardens ! This is a complete disaster !

[SnakeCode]

One thing is for sure, EA/BW are no longer getting any pre order money from me.  I was 100% set on pre ordering ME:A but after this farce, I won't be pre ordering anything by them.  I wonder how many immediate sales they will lose over this...

 

Here's one, though it isn't only due to their closing and deletion of their own forums. That's just the last bitter drop in a chalice full of sorrow, as Geralt of Rivia would say. BioWare have permanently lost at least one customer.

[voteDC]

Okay I'm off to get into newest rage over Keep working in it's thread as long as BSN still exists. This is getting out of control. In one minute Keep has made a PURGE of all of my wardens. They simply all vanished ! Game is detected but Keep cannot even locate Wardens ! This is a complete disaster !

The Keep has never detected all my Wardens or Hawkes, a very small amount of them are there to be used.

[Fidite Nemini]

Bioware requires a sacrifice if it wants to achieve true mainstream greatness.

 

This forum on the 26th.

 

 

In other words, the Golden Age is done, welcome to the world full of trolls and other foul creations.

 

 

Sounds about right when you think about it.