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[SmilesJA]

See, this is why Twitter is such a failure. Clever one-liners can sometimes mean anything.

 

Did I mean to say that EA needs a stressful boot camp with dismissals and lots of verbal abuse?  - No.

 

I was thinking about a different TV-series, Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares, where he helps failing restaurants get their act together. You know, the kind of restaurant where the manager and chef vehemently maintain that their food is the best in town and that the service is excellent. ...at least at the start.

 

Twitter is a failure because they're selective in enforcing the rules. Sometimes you do need a verbal lashing and considering all of the questionable practices EA does. They need a rude awakening. 

[AlanC9]

I'm not really surprised to be honest. You and I always seem to have the exact opposite stance on things.
I have the feeling that if I said water was wet, you would say that you can dive in the ocean fully clothed and come out dry.

Well, we haven't discussed stuff like water; I've never seen you be wrong about anything but RPGs yet.

More seriously, my impression has been that we disagree on things that don't have "right" answers in the first place. "Types of games" is pretty typical here; to do that kind of taxonomy you need to evaluate the relative importance of features, which is subjective all the way.

[Biotic Apostitute]

What I wrote was synonymous with what I said before and not what you're characterizing. There's not a narrative going on to suit your small mindedness. The point was and is that the generic scrawling on these boards are all disposable. If there is any value in these, it is in the moment and what a person takes away.

 
All Posts Matter
 
#triggered #checkyourprivilege

[LPPrince]

See, this is why Twitter is such a failure. Clever one-liners can sometimes mean anything.

 

Did I mean to say that EA needs a stressful boot camp with dismissals and lots of verbal abuse?  - No.

 

I was thinking about a different TV-series, Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares, where he helps failing restaurants get their act together. You know, the kind of restaurant where the manager and chef vehemently maintain that their food is the best in town and that the service is excellent. ...at least at the start.

 

 

If people wanted to slam BIoware they'd compare the company to Amy's Baking Company(Kitchen Nightmares US);by far the worst restaurant ever on Kitchen Nightmares and the only one Gordon gave up trying to help because they were so unwilling to see any problems.

 

But I think Bioware is aware that there are problems, so its a bit too far to compare them to ABC. So instead, maybe Piccolo Teatro(Kitchen Nightmares UK)?

 

That was a restaurant that was struggling, Gordon helped save it, but then a few weeks after he left the woman running the restaurant left it in disrepair and then eventually gave it up entirely just because.

 

Though I don't even know if thats an apt comparison.

 

This is a weird state of affairs we're in man. Forums exist, can be saved, won't be saved, will instead be torched. Actually forget the Kitchen Nightmares comparisons, you know what the forum needs? Petrozza from Hell's Kitchen.

 

Louross was cooking a steak(the forum) and Chef Scott(Bioware/EA) didn't like the look of it so he sent it back and told him to cook another one. Problem;there were no other steaks ready.

 

So Petrozza being a genius decidedly to sneakily cut off the top and bottom of the steak making it look like a whole new cut, presented it to Chef Scott, and lo and behold;it passed his inspection. Sneaky and evil but effective.

 

We need Based Petrozza.

 

Look up "Petrozza and Louross pull a fast one" and see if we don't need that on this forum right now. Cut off the bad bits and make it past inspection so our forum sticks around and we can keep on keepin on.

[Khayness]

Oh hey, more or less 2 weeks to go, and I still only heard about it thanks to PC Gamer.

 

Soooo, why the big hush hush? While I don't mind, since I basically stopped caring ages ago, but for the fans (who are doing an uphill battle to save some of the community) you should atleast throw a friggin' email.

 

Not cool.

[LPPrince]

Oh hey, more or less 2 weeks to go, and I still only heard about it thanks to PC Gamer.

 

Soooo, why the big hush hush? While I don't mind, since I basically stopped caring ages ago, but for the fans (who are doing an uphill battle to save some of the community) you should atleast throw a friggin' email.

 

Not cool.

 

 

Yeah its weird that an email didn't go out to everyone who signed up for the forums. Sketchy.

[PsychicHammer]

Conal actually responded to my bug report tweet! But then I read the tweet and he directed me to Answers HQ.

[CrutchCricket]

Welp the forumpocalypse is still happening but so's our new unofficial BSN!

 

http://bsn.boards.net/

 

We've got close to 900 members and we're still growing! Come say hi (and then stay awhile), we've got all the goodies!

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Conal actually responded to my bug report tweet! But then I read the tweet and he directed me to Answers HQ.

Did answers hq refer you back here?

Ps. That's such a useless site. EA doesnt even check it. They are relying on other players to solve each other's problems. Noone even goes there anyway except when there is a new game I guess.

[Iakus]

Did answers hq refer you back here?

Ps. That's such a useless site. EA doesnt even check it. They are relying on other players to solve each other's problems. Noone even goes there anyway except when there is a new game I guess.

Be the hero!  

[Grieving Natashina]

Another day, another post discussing how shortsighted and counter-productive this whole move is.

I've joined the new BSN. It's a pretty good place. Some folks that were on my ignore list are there. However, in light of what's happening, I'll consider it a fresh start. One of the things I've noticed is the amount of lurkers around. There are more and more people signing up that rarely posted here. One guy had 7 posts in about 5-6 years. He didn't come around for dev imput. He lingered to watch the Twitter thread, watch lore conversations and to find various game fixes.

Those are the people that are going to be hurt the most by the forums going offline. Forget people like me, with over 14K posts. It's those folks that rarely (if ever) post that is going to be the most effected by this. At least the regulars on here know what's going on and where to go for information. That's being archived by dedicated fans. Many people that lurk tend to do so only around when a game is being released. For those that wait until later, how are they supposed to know what happened?

Again, all of the lurkers I've talked to so far could give two flying pyjaks about whether or not the devs participate here. They care about the knowledge. Which would be completely obliterated without the posters on the forum. We just soooo vile. The folks on the BWF as sooo horrible that...they would leave the devs/writers alone and quietly backup all of this information.

You know, to make sure BioWare games are playable for everyone. Not just the relative minority of posters here. I love encouraging people to try to play games I think are good. It's a lot easier with one focused site. Am I yelling into the wind? Probably. Is that going to stop me from trying? Heck no.

[DarthLaxian]

You are absolutely right on that point. As the years have gone by we have been spending more time on other sites and spaces and less time on our own boards. This was unfair to those of you who use our forums.

We took a hard look at how we were engaging our community, and made the difficult decision to focus on fostering conversations in these new spaces, and to close our forums.

 

Because you were/are special little snowflakes and can't take criticism (even if it's well thought out - you seem to think it's an ad-hominem attack every time, but that's not it: We aren't telling you that you are shitty people and should go kill yourself - no! In fact we tell you what we think you are doing wrong (maybe in harsh words if you repeat a mistake instead of learning from it the first time!) and we hope you will get better again...somehow I really fear for ME:A because this might be a pre-emptive move to avoid criticism (in the form of an organized movement - like the "Hold the Line"-Campaign after ME3)...conversations...right, sorry but every large video-game company has forums because it's way easier to have long discussion there than on most other platforms (it's not like we see you guys on Reddit...at least I haven't! Can't speak for other social media - I don't use Twitter, Tumblr, Facebook etc. so this is an especially harsh blow for me!), especially if you don't want a one on one discussion but something where lots of people can contribute!

 

For me it's a stupid decision (I will not sugar-coat it and mince words, no: I'll be honest because all this molly-coddling doesn't help anybody anyway!)

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't agree this this decision any more than you do. However, remember that Conal isn't "BioWare." He's the poor dev that drew the short straw and has to be the messenger of this whole thing. It doesn't mean it's his fault. He's just passing the word along and doing his best to keep things civil in the meantime.

If you're going to be angry at someone, be angry at the forum heads and "suits" at BioWare that agreed to and supported this call. Your best bet at trying to get their attention is on Twitter, sadly enough.

[AlanC9]

Did answers hq refer you back here?
Ps. That's such a useless site. EA doesnt even check it. They are relying on other players to solve each other's problems.

Isn't that exactly how this board has worked for years?

[DarthLaxian]

As one of the Dev's that have more or less moved off of here, I am still sad. 

 

I recognize some names but see new ones as well, I wish you all well.

 

If you and others hadn't then this wouldn't have happened - this way you are ripping out the heart of this community (yes, I mean that because despite all those other forms of communication, I don't think many of your staff are that active say on reddit (which is the only thing close to these forums...ok, that and the new BSN-Forums made by fans who are - rightfully - pretty upset by your stupid decision (yes: Stupid - I don't mince words, I am honest most of the time - brutally so!)) and even if they are:

 

How are we to know that they are really bioware employees?

 

Yes, I blame you and the others...how can devs, community managers etc. move on from their own forums? (unless you couldn't take it that people criticised you?)

 

Not to mention that Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr etc. aren't superior to a forum - try posting a very very very long comment or a rant etc. on Twitter...yeah right, WON'T WORK!!!

 

greetings LAX

[AngryFrozenWater]

Oh hey, more or less 2 weeks to go, and I still only heard about it thanks to PC Gamer.

 

Soooo, why the big hush hush? While I don't mind, since I basically stopped caring ages ago, but for the fans (who are doing an uphill battle to save some of the community) you should atleast throw a friggin' email.

 

Not cool.

Exactly. I'm shouting that for a while now, but no mail has been sent. I think BW does listen, but forgot to pull the fingers out of their ears.

[Grieving Natashina]

Here's something interesting for you guys. I'm many things, but never a dull poster.

According to BW's employee website, they are looking for another full time data analyst. I can pull up of job postings for BioWare, but I'm tired and lazy at the moment. They list what positions are contract and which aren't. This isn't based on a contract.

Anyway, this is the definition of one from http://www.payscale....Analyst/Salary.

"A data analyst uses data to accquire certain information about specific topics. This usually starts with the survey process, in which data analysts find survey participants and to gather the needed information. The data is then interpreted and presented in forms such as charts or reports. Data analysts may also put their survey data into online data bases."

The reason why I bring this up is because a lot of data analysts rely in part on forum boards to do their job. IMHO, it's part of the reason why I think that the forum heads at BioWare have (and at EA_ is lacking long-term perspective on the matter. They don't have anyone that's capable to drilling the importance of forums into their heads.

I know I'm well beyond any point of changing anyone's minds. However, I want these kinds of knowledge out there. Could mean everything, could mean nothing. Yet I can't help but seek for answers. It's just my nature.

Edit: The job position listed was for BW-Austin. I had overlooked that. So my rant was kinda pointless. Thanks to Biotic Apostate for the correction. And I apologize to you guys for the misinformation.

[Khayness]

Here's something interesting for you guys. I'm many things, but never a dull poster.

According to BW's employee website, they are looking for another full time data analyst. I can pull up of job postings for BioWare, but I'm tired and lazy at the moment. They list what positions are contract and which aren't. This isn't based on a contract.

Anyway, this is the definition of one from http://www.payscale....Analyst/Salary.

"A data analyst uses data to accquire certain information about specific topics. This usually starts with the survey process, in which data analysts find survey participants and to gather the needed information. The data is then interpreted and presented in forms such as charts or reports. Data analysts may also put their survey data into online data bases."

The reason why I bring this up is because a lot of data analysts rely on forum boards to do their job. IMHO, it's part of the reason why I think that BioWare is lacking long-term perspective on the matter. They don't have anyone that's capable to drilling the importance of forums into their heads.

I know I'm well beyond any point of changing anyone's minds. However, I want these kinds of knowledge out there. Could mean everything, could mean nothing. Yet I can't help but seek for answers. It's just my nature.

 

Remember the surveys for DA2 and DA:I?

 

We got the Free Marches setting for DA2 thanks to that, but I don't recall if they had any point at all. And they didn't use the forums for those.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Here's something interesting for you guys. I'm many things, but never a dull poster.

According to BW's employee website, they are looking for another full time data analyst. I can pull up of job postings for BioWare, but I'm tired and lazy at the moment. They list what positions are contract and which aren't. This isn't based on a contract.

Anyway, this is the definition of one from http://www.payscale....Analyst/Salary.

"A data analyst uses data to accquire certain information about specific topics. This usually starts with the survey process, in which data analysts find survey participants and to gather the needed information. The data is then interpreted and presented in forms such as charts or reports. Data analysts may also put their survey data into online data bases."

The reason why I bring this up is because a lot of data analysts rely in part on forum boards to do their job. IMHO, it's part of the reason why I think that the forum heads at BioWare have (and at EA_ is lacking long-term perspective on the matter. They don't have anyone that's capable to drilling the importance of forums into their heads.

I know I'm well beyond any point of changing anyone's minds. However, I want these kinds of knowledge out there. Could mean everything, could mean nothing. Yet I can't help but seek for answers. It's just my nature.

Telemetry seems to be the holy grail these days. Maybe the guy also needs to count Twitter likes?

[Grieving Natashina]

Remember the surveys for DA2 and DA:I?

We got the Free Marches setting for DA2 thanks to that, but I don't recall if they had any point at all. And they didn't use the forums for those.

Free Marches setting? Do you mean Mark of the Assassin? In that case, it's hard to tell whether or not it was the forums, or if they had that planned all along. A lot of DA2 (and DA:I) had basis in a cancelled DA:O expansion in the first place. Heck, DA:I was built around the Exiled March DLC, which would have been a part of Origins. They wanted to put it into DA2, but only parts of that made it in due to the insane dev time. DA:I took the rest.

<shrug> I don't think the customer platform would have mattered in that case.

It still doesn't explain that vacated position. Everyday I find another reason not to shut down the forums.

[RSX Titan]

Welp the forumpocalypse is still happening but so's our new unofficial BSN!

 

http://bsn.boards.net/

 

We've got close to 900 members and we're still growing! Come say hi (and then stay awhile), we've got all the goodies!

 

I just made the switch. looks promising. As long as I don't have a modbot issue a warning for defending the ToS of privately held forums over there I'll be happy. 

[Khayness]

Free Marches setting? Do you mean Mark of the Assassin? In that case, it's hard to tell whether or not it was the forums, or if they had that planned all along. A lot of DA2 (and DA:I) had basis in a cancelled DA:O expansion in the first place. <shrug> I don't think the customer platform would have mattered in that case.

It still doesn't explain that vacated position. Everyday I find another reason not to shut down the forums.

 

Kirkwall is in the Free Marches. And the cancelled Exalted March expansion got its treasured memory honored as a War Table mission.

 

Anyway, the given reason to shut down this place is pure hogwash, BioWare's treatment of its fanbase isn't worthy of bringing up legitimate discussion, because it's such a blatant lie.

[CrutchCricket]

I just made the switch. looks promising. As long as I don't have a modbot issue a warning for defending the ToS of privately held forums over there I'll be happy. 

That's a safe bet; our Skynetmod system won't be up and running for a few years anyway.

[crimzontearz]

The funny thing is that, as always, Bioware is not going to try to argue their points. They are just gonna do it because it suits their needs/someone told them so.

Like others said before I am really starting to think this is preemptive damage control because Something about ME:A is known to be bound to ****** A LOT of people off. Large companies do it all the time just not with as much finality as with this avtion.

Case in point...remember what happened when fans started questioning (prior to release) whether John was really going to be the protagonist of halo 5? Same thing is happening here only in order to prevent ALL future discussion and/or accusation to anyone within bioware who might see their reputation of special little perfect snowflake tarnished they are just killing the forums

I am not 100% sure about how they could even believe the narrative sounded plausible but...eh....like for everything else this decision was made in a meeting and whoever disagreed was sent to get coffee

[FKA_Servo]

Like others said before I am really starting to think this is preemptive damage control because Something about ME:A is known to be bound to ****** A LOT of people off. Large companies do it all the time just not with as much finality as with this avtion.

...

Case in point...remember what happened when fans started questioning (prior to release) whether John was really going to be the protagonist of halo 5? Same thing is happening here only in order to prevent ALL future discussion and/or accusation to anyone within bioware who might see their reputation of special little perfect snowflake tarnished they are just killing the forums

 

I don't know what happened with Halo, but if the bolded is in fact a contributing factor - well, maybe some conscientious forumite can put together an informational pamphlet on the Streisand Effect for Bioware Brass to peruse.