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While it is true that banks and utility companies are notorious for neglecting their long term customers, I don't think the situation is entirely comparable.
Utility companies and telecom providers supply an ongoing service, one that is difficult to live without. They can rely on their customers' laziness to keep the money flowing because finding a better deal is a hassle.
Bioware, by contrast, supplies luxury goods. No one needs a Bioware game, at least not in the way they need things like car insurance. They are also one-off purchases rather than a subscription service (despite some efforts to make them so). There is no "inertia" to keep casual players buying Bioware games. One has to actively choose to purchase them. And there are plenty of other companies making products that look equally attractive on the shelf at GameStop, unless their hardcore, Bioware-fan friends happen to point them in the right direction. Something that I suspect has not been made more likely by this ill-advised forum closure.

 

This is an interesting point and I'm not sure which side I come down on. On one hand service oriented businesses like mine absolutely weight customers differently. Case in a point one customer may generate 1M MRR and another 10K MRR. It's clear which one matters more.  I'll churn 10 10K MRR customers all day everyday if I'm signing new 1M MRR deals. On the other hand with luxury items as you call them, the unit price is usually locked at initial sale so it's about total units shipped rather than what each individual consumer is spending. DLC and season passes increase the spend per unit but it's not enough to offset macro sales numbers. 


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RWBY Thread and other OT threads can continue on in Fextralife if The Lobby is carried over

 

 

Workday Cheer mostly could not be. It's my understanding that Fexelea is only importing accounts that people have access to. I have lost access to my old account ('mousestalker'), so no import. It's a small sad. It was mostly just spam, but I liked it.



#6353
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Can you please drop the act? Things like "let's be honest" implies that you mean I lie. That doesn't work on me. OK?

 

Vocal minority? That's exactly the point. Here's why:

 

The advocates are a minority as well. Yet, they do impact sales growth. If you delve deeper into advocacy marketing then you would know that the reverse is also true. If advocates turn against the company then there will be a negative impact on sales growth and one that is hard to reverse.

"Let's be honest" as in call a spade a spade and acknowledge most of the posters here will continue to purchase bioware games after the forums close down. The advocacy marketing link you provided is worth a read but seems more geared to startups or small businesses that don't have the marketing army or the pipeline that companies like EA have. I'll reiterate that closing the forums is incredibly stupid but it's highly unlikely to impact sales for the studio. Obviously we disagree and I'm okay with that. I suspect we both agree that this isn't the same company it used to be however the difference may be that I'm resigned to the inevitably of it all based on the money that is involved in the gaming industry.  It's going to happen to CD Projekt Red as well.



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Brent Knowles the lead figurehead behind Dragon Age Origins had this to say right before resigning form BioWare.

I'll leave his quote here "I'm not the same person I was when I started, and BioWare is not the same company." 

Now years latter, how very much indeed his words ring true.


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"Hit us up on Twitter", yeah right.

 

Bioware doesn't like their forums because of the trolls.

 

The devs suggest that we use Twitter instead.

 

The same Twitter who's CEO last year admitted "sucked at dealing with trolls".

 

I see no flaws whatsoever in this plan.

 

...

 

Tonight's episode of Bizarro Logic was brought to you by the same people who wrote the Catalyst.


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Could someone tell what the reason of this? I don't get any point of this action at all. You will close some Forums for what purpose? 


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It's not rocket science. Bio finds these forums to have no real value -- for themselves, anyway. All we do here is breed toxic memes which sometimes escape confinement and break out into the real world. So they're done paying for the annoyance.

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Serious bias there, I'm on tumblr plenty (even earlier today) and it can be quite positive and fun. 

 

In fact they just put in the messenger system which is way beyond the previous methods in terms of more direct communication. 

 

I'm beginning to think the reputation of tumblr as "trigger warning central" is really a projection due to the massive amounts of geeky stuff that flows through, powerful imagery, etc. 

I'm on tumblr and it's not at all a place to carry long discussions like it happens in a discussion forum.


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Workday Cheer mostly could not be. It's my understanding that Fexelea is only importing accounts that people have access to. I have lost access to my old account ('mousestalker'), so no import. It's a small sad. It was mostly just spam, but I liked it.

 

 

:(

 

*hugs*


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The same Twitter who's CEO last year admitted "sucked at dealing with trolls".

 

 

They still stink at it today.


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It's not rocket science. Bio finds these forums to have no real value -- for themselves, anyway. All we do here is breed toxic memes which sometimes escape confinement and break out into the real world. So they're done paying for the annoyance.

But without the forums to contain them, ALL the "toxic memes" will escape! :P


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"Let's be honest" as in call a spade a spade and acknowledge most of the posters here will continue to purchase bioware games after the forums close down. The advocacy marketing link you provided is worth a read but seems more geared to startups or small businesses that don't have the marketing army or the pipeline that companies like EA have. I'll reiterate that closing the forums is incredibly stupid but it's highly unlikely to impact sales for the studio. Obviously we disagree and I'm okay with that. I suspect we both agree that this isn't the same company it used to be however the difference may be that I'm resigned to the inevitably of it all based on the money that is involved in the gaming industry.  It's going to happen to CD Projekt Red as well.

Nah. It is just an act. Just as the term vocal minority belongs in the list of whinge, assumptions, entitled, fan service and disliking CDPR. It's one of the things I won't miss when these forums close.

 

You didn't say that you dislike CDPR, but now that you've you mentioned it, that company is an interesting example.

 

When TW1 appeared, the critics were impressed, but the gamers were very disappointed, because of the many bugs, bad voice acting and other problems. They were very vocal. Instead of giving up, they worked for a year to work on an EC with additional content in which nearly all problems were fixed (including tens of thousands of voice acted lines in several languages), while patching their game and investigating where else they went wrong. They provided the EC for free to existing customers. That turned the tide for the dissatisfied customers and some became advocates.

 

These days CDPR is not a startup company, given the popularity of their games, that's no surprise. Both the critics and the gamers seem happy.

 

They learned from their first mistake. You see that they believe in what gamers think is important in their products. It's noticeable in every public statement and interview they make. You can even watch a recent stock holder meeting on Youtube where they state over and over again why the customers are important and what they did to implement their wishes. They not only tell their customers what they want to hear, they translate that in a product that gamers seem to enjoy. That includes service and support after release. That's exactly the strategy to generate more advocates.

 

BW? Not so much. Their community management and marketing department are based around hype marketing and they have no idea what to do with the critique after DA2 and ME3. I must give credit, where credit is due, though. The DA:I team really tried to improve the product. It isn't a perfect game, certainly not, but many flaws that plagued DA2 have gone. They even had a public beta patch test program. They could have used all that in their marketing, but BW has chosen not to do that, because it doesn't fit hype. The ME3 team felt that they needed to do something, but the EC turned out to be more of the same, to save their "artistic integrity". The ending still felt detached from the rest of the games. Of course the ME3 team never felt that they'd failed, because those nasty gamers really didn't understand their vision. That doesn't gain any confidence in the company.

 

All that remains now is that BW indeed listens (they shout it from the rooftops), but they forgot to pull the fingers out of their ears, just as their gamers are allowed to speak, as long as they keep their mouth shut. Hence, they close down of the forums.


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Bioware doesn't like their forums because of the trolls.


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They still stink at it today.

 

They do, for a variety of reasons. A large one being that the people running twitter seem to think troll means "person with conservative and/or libertarian views" while actual trolls and harassers are allowed to go on their merry way.


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The bsn forum should have a thread for The Witcher games. I'm gonna need a forum to discuss this game outside of the CDPR forum

 

They did in the off-topic forum.


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It's not rocket science. Bio finds these forums to have no real value -- for themselves, anyway. All we do here is breed toxic memes which sometimes escape confinement and break out into the real world. So they're done paying for the annoyance.

So, logically, they burn down these forums and let us travel to a half dozen new boards, even angrier now that Bioware has banished us from their domain.

 

Yeah, that will stop the spread of "toxic memes" all right   <_<

 

What's the intermediate step between that and "Profit"?


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Workday Cheer mostly could not be. It's my understanding that Fexelea is only importing accounts that people have access to. I have lost access to my old account ('mousestalker'), so no import. It's a small sad. It was mostly just spam, but I liked it.

There is a silver lining. The posts will be imported anyway, but they won't be connected to your account.



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Workday Cheer mostly could not be. It's my understanding that Fexelea is only importing accounts that people have access to. I have lost access to my old account ('mousestalker'), so no import. It's a small sad. It was mostly just spam, but I liked it.

 

If the account still exists you should be able to merge it with your new one.

 

Fex tried to do that with my two accounts, but since I deleted my old account, those posts aren't tied to an account anymore, so on Fex's site they simply show up as "guest". Chances of recovery for those seem to be slim.



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I think we need to switch metaphors. We're mosquitoes, and the BSN is a big pool of standing water. Draining the pool won't exterminate the species since we'll just find a puddle someplace, but it will cut down on breeding a bit.
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So, logically, they burn down these forums and let us travel to a half dozen new boards, even angrier now that Bioware has banished us from their domain.


Sure, and people at the other forums will shrug, either agree or disagree with the points, be taken aback by this long-burning "anger" and probably think: "No wonder BioWare closed their forum down".
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I think we need to switch metaphors. We're mosquitoes, and the BSN is a big pool of standing water. Draining the pool won't exterminate the species since we'll just find a puddle someplace, but it will cut down on breeding a bit.


Ding, ding, ding.
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I think we need to switch metaphors. We're mosquitoes, and the BSN is a big pool of standing water. Draining the pool won't exterminate the species since we'll just find a puddle someplace, but it will cut down on breeding a bit.

 

 

I love it when you go all succinct and insightful. 


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I think we need to switch metaphors. We're mosquitoes, and the BSN is a big pool of standing water. Draining the pool won't exterminate the species since we'll just find a puddle someplace, but it will cut down on breeding a bit.

 

So instead of toxic our discussions are just the Zika virus now. Not much has changed.


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I came for the wake of our forum being closed, to circulate and mingle, I stayed for mage debates that involve mascara, metaphors about we mosquitos that support the birds, bats and ecosystem and pro sex tips.
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I heard mages say words and use gestures in the books. Either way, a mage with no hands would still be more susceptible to possession.