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[mousestalker1]

Personal attacks here and now seem utterly pointless. Why bother? In nine days no one will be able to say any more here and in a month they will vanish.

 

it's much like spewing out your hatred of another passenger when your ship is sinking. On the one hand, I suppose you've gotten it off your chest and your raised body temperature may keep you alive in the frigid water for another second or so, but that's the sum total of your accomplishment, Probably a better idea to scope out where the life boats are.

[DaemionMoadrin]

So. Early morning brain wave. I think BioWare is fully expecting all the new forums to pick up the slack, which is why we were given a month to organize before this here shuts down. Otherwise they would have shut it down immediately (with a generous 12min warning) and prevented all the outrage and ... enthusiastic work ethic by the mods.

 

I guess Fextralife is going to be Google's top hit if you search for a "Bioware forum" in 2 months. The MP crowd is probably going to stick to BSN and ... eh, I don't know.

 

Seems a bit risky as a strategy, they couldn't have known people would go to these great lengths to give the community a home. A home that consists of 6+ places now. Well, that'll be fun. Look for an answer to your problem, one forum at a time.

[N7M]

You are not gloating for the demise, but you're gloating for this demise because of reasons. M'kay. Logic, eh?

When did BioWare ever supply an audience? Did I miss a job offer? Can I be a paid forum user please?

 

I don't know where you see toxic behaviour and I haven't looked. Maybe someone isn't being friendly and helpful and cuddly and polite according to your standards, maybe he did insult you. Do you really believe that's sooooo bad that the forum needs to be shut down?

Have you look at other sites for a comparison? Have you ever read youtube comments?

 

I do not intent to blame the victim here, as I said... too lazy to look up your interactions with Servo. But can you honestly say your behaviour was always perfect? No passive aggressive arguments, no slight between the lines? No dismissal of another's opinion or ignoring facts that don't fit your narrative? We all do that from time to time, you can admit it. It won't make you a bad person. It definitely won't make you toxic.

 

"as a playground"... for toxic people. Please, read and comprehend before responding to my posts. There is no need to rush to respond with some unfounded remark.

 

As for the shutdown, it's not about me personally. It's about many things. It is about technology changing as the OP of this thread states. It is about the way people use this forum to promote themselves or their brand. It's the way cliques formed here and became blocks of users that attempt to control the narrative of this place. It's about those users that have explicitly said they are here to mock others one day then claim how much they love the users here the next. The disingenuous. The abusers. Those that get moderated but don't or cannot acknowledge or change their behavior but instead seek validation and get it. It's about the limited usefulness of the data here. It's about a great many things. Does this forum need to be shut down? Yes.

[Iakus]

Okay, I've expressed my opinion on both Facebook and Twitter, and there's definitely a huge amount of people with similar sentiments. 

 

Also Chris Priestly scolding someone for dwelling too much on the negatives instead of looking for new opportunities. 

 

I think that's the thing that bothers me most. It's the people affiliated with Bioware, past and present, trying to spin this as a positive thing. 

 

Even if I entertain the idea that's it's necessary, that they're making the only choice they can under the circumstances, it still doesn't make it a good thing, not for the fans or the company, because both are losing a huge resource when it comes to walkthroughs, guides, bug fixes, and people willing to help out with all of the above for free. At the very best, it's an unfortunate reality. I wish they wouldn't try to dress it up under the veneer of having our best interest at heart.

Ah, but there's one thing you're not taking into account.

 

They don't care.

[Filament]

But can you honestly say your behaviour was always perfect? No passive aggressive arguments, no slight between the lines? No dismissal of another's opinion or ignoring facts that don't fit your narrative? We all do that from time to time, you can admit it. It won't make you a bad person. It definitely won't make you toxic.

I can admit all these things for them. N7M is certainly no better than the rest of us in this sinking "toxic" ship.

The difference is that we don't think N7M's "toxicity" warrants the place being nuked, even if it is annoying from time to time.

[DaemionMoadrin]

"as a playground"... for toxic people. Please, read and comprehend before responding to my posts. There is no need to rush to respond with some unfounded remark.

 

As for the shutdown, it's not about me personally. It's about many things. It is about technology changing as the OP of this thread states. It is about the way people use this forum to promote themselves or their brand. It's the way cliques formed here and became blocks of users that attempt to control the narrative of this place. It's about those users that have explicitly said they are here to mock others one day then claim how much they love the users here the next. The disingenuous. The abusers. Those that get moderated but don't or cannot acknowledge or change their behavior but instead seek validation and get it. It's about the limited usefulness of the data here. It's about a great many things. Does this forum need to be shut down? Yes.

 

Bolded part: That's exactly what I was talking about. Good god man, your toxic behaviour is harming this forum!

 

For the rest:

[N7M]

Bolded part: That's exactly what I was talking about. Good god man, your toxic behaviour is harming this forum!

 

 

Snide misconstruing with willful ignorance is exactly that. The idea and the person are different things.

[Nefla]

Like I keep telling my cat: if you don't wanna be shaved, you don't get to eat the turkey.

[N7M]

I can admit all these things for them. N7M is certainly no better than the rest of us in this sinking "toxic" ship.

The difference is that we don't think N7M's "toxicity" warrants the place being nuked, even if it is annoying from time to time.

 

Were you permanently banned from here under another account?

[Servo to the bitter end]

Of course you would say you are serene but your feelings weren't the point. None the less, this claimed serenity is not what you are showing between the lines. The stress appears in the cracks of your need to attack me personally. On more than just this occasion. No doubt you and your clique will be able to justify this to yourselves. To put it simply: You. Are. Toxic.

And a good example of how that toxicity is validated and promoted by the 'likes' this post of yours garnered from others similarly toxic. 

 

There is no gloating on my part for the demise of this place.  My pleasure is coming from the demise of this place as a playground for the toxic people of this forum who are going to have to feast on themselves rather than on an audience supplied by BioWare/EA.

 

If you're really so down on this place, you should have stopped posting here a long time ago. It's the easiest thing in the world to avoid things that annoy you when they're locked behind a username and password.

 

To put it simply: Just. Don't. Log. In.

 

It's super easy, promise. Just today, I resisted the urge to log into the bodybuilding forum, townhall.com, and a whole slew of other places that hold no value for me.

 

Or - sit on this forum (populated mostly with posters who like it here and are sad to see it go), crow triumphantly about how wonderful it is that it's closing, and act surprised and indignant when the posts you're making purely to incite... incite. Gasp.

 

I do not intent to blame the victim here, as I said... too lazy to look up your interactions with Servo. But can you honestly say your behaviour was always perfect? No passive aggressive arguments, no slight between the lines? No dismissal of another's opinion or ignoring facts that don't fit your narrative? We all do that from time to time, you can admit it. It won't make you a bad person. It definitely won't make you toxic.

 

I have a good memory for this stuff, so I'll do it for you. I think I encountered LonelyBook once? In one of those dumb cursing threads. I didn't think our sole interaction was so acrimonious that he'd nurse a year long grudge (although I frequently underestimate just how devastated some folks are by just a little bit of sarcasm). I did get the impression that I was dealing with a poster who didn't place much value in the opinions of others. And since I do lurk, I see that first impression has been vindicated.

[N7M]

I have a good memory for this stuff, so I'll do it for you. I think I encountered LonelyBook once? In one of those dumb cursing threads. I didn't think our sole interaction was so acrimonious that he'd nurse a year long grudge (although I frequently underestimate just how devastated some folks are by just a little bit of sarcasm). I did get the impression that I was dealing with a poster who didn't place much value in the opinions of others. And since I do lurk, I see that first impression has been vindicated.

 

You're the one that started talking to me again. Not the other way around.

 

maybe it's time for a wiki quote for the audience:

Labeling theory accounts for blame by postulating that when intentional actors act out to continuously blame an individual for nonexistent psychological traits and for nonexistent variables, those actors aim to induce irrational guilt at an unconscious level. Blame in this case becomes a propaganda tactic, using repetitive blaming behaviors, innuendos, and hyperbole in order to assign negative status to normative humans.

[Filament]

Were you permanently banned from here under another account?

Passive aggressive ad hominem noted.

Response: Of course. Twice! Where do you think I got the name Puddi III?

 

If the sarcasm flew by you, no. I deleted my first account with 20k+ posts of my own volition after the OT closure.

 

Also it's not a 'clique' just because multiple people disagree with you.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Also it's not a 'clique' just because multiple people disagree with you.

 

Please accept this toxic like. 50/50 odds that it'll grant super powers.

 

I'd stock up on antibiotics just in case, though.

[N7M]

Passive aggressive ad hominem noted.

Response: Of course. Twice! Where do you think I got the name Puddi III?

 

If the sarcasm flew by you, no. I deleted my first account with 20k+ posts of my own volition after the OT closure.

 

Also it's not a 'clique' just because multiple people disagree with you.

 

It wasn't an ad hominem. It was a pointed question to illustrate the false equivalency you made between your behavior and others, specifically mine.

 

"I can admit all these things for them. N7M is certainly no better than the rest of us in this sinking "toxic" ship."

 

I have not been permanently banned from this forum.

[Servo to the bitter end]

You're the one that started talking to me again. Not the other way around.

 

If you want to get pedantic, I was actually talking to Daemion there.

 

I did address a post to you, but you ignored it (clearly, since my excellent advice went unheeded).

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

My pleasure is coming from the demise of this place as a playground for the toxic people of this forum who are going to have to feast on themselves rather than on an audience supplied by BioWare/EA.

That doesn't sound healthy.

[N7M]

That doesn't sound healthy.

It's probably not. But damn am I angry about this place closing.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

It's probably not. But damn am I angry about this place closing.

I meant the "feasting on yourself despite being toxic" thing, not the sour grapes "Oh well I didn't like some of the people here anyway" bit.

 

As for the rest of it, if you see a silver lining, keep seeing it. Whatever comfort you can get out of this, get that comfort.

[N7M]

I meant the "feasting on yourself despite being toxic" thing, not the sour grapes "Oh well I didn't like some of the people here anyway" bit.

Ah, that too.

[Filament]

@N7M I get it, you prefer to speak in  gibberish rather than directly express your disagreements with people. But if the intent is the same, how you present it really only makes a difference on the fringes. And the point remains, your illustration was a failure.

 

And lecturing people on their toxicity when all your posts are laced with passive aggressiveness or just plain spam images or videos (in the same vein) is a bad look.

[TobiTobsen]

Does anyone know the exact timing of the bomb drop?

 

12 minutes after the last announcement/dead line.

 

It's tradition.

[Nefla]

These arguments aren't fun when I'm not one of the participants

[TobiTobsen]

These arguments aren't fun when I'm not one of the participants

 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

These arguments aren't fun when I'm not one of the participants

Jump in. Pool's open, water's fine.

[Vordish]

Hello everyone,

 

Been lurking on the forums for quite some time. Heard about the closure and wanted to add my piece. Ive read through the thread and heard what Conal, Priestly and some of the other devs who commented about the closure. Its a sad thing. My sentiment is much the same with the majority opinion in this thread; that its move that will ultimately harm Bioware and the franchises that we know and love - Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

 

There was talk from Priestly that there were a powerful person and/or people up the ladder in Bioware(iirc) that wanted to close the forums down along time ago. My opinion is that the real final nail in the coffin was the backlash to the ending to ME3.

 

I read the leaked script before the game came out. I didn't play that game until the EC was released for ME3 and even though it still was not enough, in more ways than one(according to my opinion), I believe that it was this situation that forced either EA or the heads/powers-that-be in Bioware to make this decision.

 

Remember, Bioware actually stated that it cost the studio money to do the EC instead of going the route they planned originally. It was a severe burn to the image to the company itself. It generated a movement that raised several tens of thousands of dollars(80k, iirc) as well as generated significant press throughout the gaming industry. It was the biggest thing to hit a video game company that actually got them to spend money and change a few things to appease the supposed "vocal" minority. That, in my opinion, was the final straw. The forums are being closed down to prevent any such thing from happening again and I think that a lot of people who still doubt this secretly know it deep down. Criticism of their products is the reason they don't want a forum anymore.

 

It really sucks. There is a lot of info that needs to be saved. Keep it read-only. I would even bet there would be people who would send in donations on a monthly basis to pay for the bandwidth costs or whatever. Yet, these pleas are on deaf ears. Nothing is going to change.

 

An example of things getting removed would be the following link; forum.bioware.com/topic/224549-garrus-face-fix-in-me1-without-texmod-you-dont-need-it/

 

That thread was created by a passionate fan of Biowares video game and makes the experience a lot more enjoyable for a lot of people. There are many others. Removing them is an insult to the consumer base.

 

I would implore Bioware to reconsider. We buy your games because we like and/or love them. Removing our ability to contribute in a truly meaningful way is harmful to your bottom-line. You lose more than you gain and you alienate the people here who are even more passionate about your products that you seem to give them credit for. I do not believe anyone who cared about their costumers as more than just a means to make money would be doing what you are doing.

 

It is possible to damage yourself beyond repair and my prediction is that is exactly what your doing.