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[N7M]

Yet you are doing what you claim to want to draw out.

You aren't posting to contribute, to join in the discussions, you are posting in the effort to get a specific reaction. Which is exactly what trolls do.

Do you honestly believe that the majority of people on this forum are 'toxic'? If so how on Earth would you get to over 10,000 posts on a forum filled with people and conversations that you don't like?

The problem is that Bioware are to blame on this occasion. It is Bioware who have made the choice to close their forum, it's not the majority of people who have been polite and respectful on this site. Yes people are getting angry as they've created friendships and community on here, yet Bioware are closing the forum because they can't be bothered with it because of the, admittedly, overly harsh reactions of a few idiots.

Microsoft aren't closing their official Xbox forum and any 'name' and developer stopped visiting there long ago.

I'm genuinely surprised that you can't understand the reaction that some people are having to the closure of the Bioware forum, when you seem to be an intelligent and rational person.

 

No, I'm not doing as you claim. First of all, anything I've said is genuinely how I feel, never targeted a specific individual, and I never made an effort to seek anyone out but waited to see if those that have this toxic behavior and a problem with me would come to me. Drip a bit of blood in the water and the sharks come swimming, as it were. This isn't gaining me anything, least of all social recognition, other than the ability to make a validated point to forward this discussion.

 

The way the toxicity is embedded into the social fabric of the forum is part of the problem. It's often insidious and when pointed out it is denied or trivialized then blame is shifted elsewhere.

 

I don't believe the majority on here are toxic. The problem is that the few voices that are toxic speak out often and across many threads. 

 

It's doubtful BioWare employees are afraid of criticism.

 

I'm quite upset with the forum closing which is why I've made the effort to out these ******* before the forum closes.

[N7M]

Throughout this thread you've done little besides produce word salad, pairing it with a sneering condescension at the 'toxicity' of your fellow formites. You're either trolling or lack self-awareness as badly as you do a coherent thought.

Either way, the .gif is an appropriate response to the majority of your posts.

 

Yet, the person I was responding to seemed to be able to make more out of it than you. Funny that, huh?

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

A lot is right. Stalkers, really. I've tried to draw out this type of toxic activity over the last week or so. Perhaps it has shown to some.

It's a shame that this type of behavior contributed to the forum being shut down and even more disgusting that those that do such try to shift blame to BioWare. This sickness runs deep in those that have it and the realization difficult to accept when the reward is social acceptance for those that may lack it or thrive on it.

Did someone from BioWare tell you that was the real reason for shutting them down? I've experienced worse behavior on twitter and youtube. It's part of the internet.

[votemarvel]

No, I'm not doing as you claim. 

 

I'm quite upset with the forum closing which is why I've made the effort to out these ******* before the forum closes.

Sorry but these two statements are at odds. You say you aren't acting as I claim but then say that you are posting in an attempt to draw out the idiots. But that is what I claimed that you are doing.

You don't show you are better than trolls or attempt to expose them by behaving in the same manner as they do.

If you are genuinely better than them, then don't employ their tactics.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Plus, I'm not sure how exactly we're supposed to interpret "drawing out toxic activity" or making any concerted effort towards "outing" anyone.

 

I mean, there's definitely a word for that sort of behavior.

[N7M]

Plus, I'm not sure how exactly we're supposed to interpret "drawing out toxic activity" or making any concerted effort towards "outing" anyone.

 

I mean, there's definitely a word for that sort of behavior.

 

What's that say about you in your signature?

 

[Servo to the bitter end]

What's that say about you in your signature?

 

Less than it says about you, if we're being honest.

 

Although it does suggest I have a sense of humor.

[N7M]

Did someone from BioWare tell you that was the real reason for shutting them down? I've experienced worse behavior on twitter and youtube. It's part of the internet.

 

C'mon, you've been around long enough to know that toxicity (whatever form and degree) is at least part of the reason.

As for youtube and twitter, it's more difficult for that type of behavior to organize and develop in those environments but it can . Closing the forums simply shows they don't want to provide a space for that anymore and it's simpler to deal with in youtube, twitter, facebook, cons and whatever else and still get enough relevant feedback from fans.

[N7M]

Sorry but these two statements are at odds. You say you aren't acting as I claim but then say that you are posting in an attempt to draw out the idiots. But that is what I claimed that you are doing.

You don't show you are better than trolls or attempt to expose them by behaving in the same manner as they do.

If you are genuinely better than them, then don't employ their tactics.

 

I'm not employing their tactics. My words were never such that they targeted a person but ideas. Having a different view on the general value of posts, a different emotional state on the closing the forum, making myself appear weaker and vulnerable,  standing out from the crowd not trying to gather people to my cause. 

But to answer your question in another way this exchange from True Detective seems to capture what you're asking and what I'm saying:

 

-Do you think... Do you wonder ever if you're a bad man?
-No. I don't wonder, Marty. World needs bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door.

[AngryFrozenWater]

C'mon, you've been around long enough to know that toxicity (whatever form and degree) is at least part of the reason.

As for youtube and twitter, it's more difficult for that type of behavior to organize and develop in those environments but it can . Closing the forums simply shows they don't want to provide a space for that anymore and it's simpler to deal with in youtube, twitter, facebook, cons and whatever else and still get enough relevant feedback from fans.

Critique and toxicity appear to be a synonym in BW-speak. The toxicity is a myth, that sells the close down and purge of the forums. BW's behavior in the last couple of years on these forums and the questionable design decisions in their games have caused that critique. There wouldn't be that much of it when BW treated the forum community better and when they didn't screw up DA2 and the ME3 ending. The damage that BW got from that is self-inflicted.

[N7M]

Critique and toxicity appear to be a synonym is BW-speak. The toxicity is a myth, that sells the close down and purge of the forums. BW's behavior in the last couple of years on these forums and the questionable design decisions in their games have caused that critique. There wouldn't be that much of it when BW treated the forum community better and when they didn't screw up DA2 and the ME3 ending. The damage that BW got from that is self-inflicted.

 

A myth? I've got a guy stalking me on multiple threads and putting my words in his sig box and not to flatter. I'm just some random on these boards. Imagine what this is like for a dev!

[N7M]

Again, just the one thread, really. Try not to flatter yourself. Although your words are hilarious.
 

 

 

Which thread did you get your sig from?

[Servo to the bitter end]

Which thread did you get your sig from?

The thread where I voluntarily deleted my posts in the interest of keeping it on topic. I'm a role model.

Fine, two threads. Sorry, I only went JV in nitpicking.

[N7M]

Yes. A myth. And if you spew nothing but gibberish that requires a thesaurus and/or pointing the finger to those with legitimate concerns, you are not helping your case.

 

About the stalking. Don't play the victim when you troll your way through this thread.

 

Strange that the use of a thesaurus is held with such contempt and this is the third time I've read such an opinion in as many days. As a fan of various poets one of my early favorites was reputed to travel with a dictionary, have studied it continually and underlined unfamiliar words. That was only a little over 50 years. The vibrancy of language isn't something that should be scorned but celebrated. Maybe many of the modern era feel differently.

 

I haven't been trolling since I haven't been looking for an emotional response and those that I've gotten I've ignored or responded to kindly. It's only a certain type of person that has spoken derisively to me as a person and tried to put me in my place demonstrating their toxicity.

[Iakus]

Did someone from BioWare tell you that was the real reason for shutting them down? I've experienced worse behavior on twitter and youtube. It's part of the internet.

And yet we're being directed to those places to communicate now.

 

Doesn't Bioware just love their fans?

[Fexelea]

The Fextra forums have been redesigned - they should be more mobile friendly, and the features easier to find.

 

You can find the new theme here. Browse within the game subforums to see different backgrounds.

A forum how-to is located here.

 

A white skin will be coming soon!

 

//I will begin recording import 5 soon, please keep signing up while there's time!//

[themikefest]

looks good.

[Lady Artifice]

The Fextra forums have been redesigned - they should be more mobile friendly, and the features easier to find.

 

You can find the new theme here. Browse within the game subforums to see different backgrounds.

A forum how-to is located here.

 

A white skin will be coming soon!

 

//I will begin recording import 5 soon, please keep signing up while there's time!//

 

 

Way, way easier for me to navigate through now. Thank you so much for all the work you've been putting into this. 

[LPPrince]

Much easier, thanks Fex! Now I must await The Lobby. :3

[Vigilant111]

On the forums? No, but this thread is another matter. While I believe Bioware is incorrect on closing the boards, I can understand why.

 

I am pretty sure many of the people here understand why too, but they criticize the decision with supporting arguments. Even people who said that they do not understand why actually DO understand, it is just that they saw the positives far out-weight the negatives that they are confounded

 

EDIT: *positives for keeping the forums open and active, I cannot emphasize this enough

[AtalaSirion]

The Fextra forums have been redesigned - they should be more mobile friendly, and the features easier to find.

 

You can find the new theme here. Browse within the game subforums to see different backgrounds.

A forum how-to is located here.

 

A white skin will be coming soon!

 

//I will begin recording import 5 soon, please keep signing up while there's time!//

i was so confused when i first saw this but after a while of exploring i really like it  

really do not expected such a big and good change, amazing job

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

C'mon, you've been around long enough to know that toxicity (whatever form and degree) is at least part of the reason.
As for youtube and twitter, it's more difficult for that type of behavior to organize and develop in those environments but it can . Closing the forums simply shows they don't want to provide a space for that anymore and it's simpler to deal with in youtube, twitter, facebook, cons and whatever else and still get enough relevant feedback from fans.

I'd be willing to believe it more if BioWare had decided to close the forums after the releases of DA2 and ME3. I've done my fair share of eye rolling from posts I've read here, but that's just how it is on the internet. Individuals can say whatever they please behind the safety of a username. I joke that the first rule of the internet is: Don't read youtube comments.

[clone wars]

The fact of the matter is We are going to see people using social media outlets like forums Facebook Twitter and all those other ones just to be idiot The whole social media outlet is toxic by A lot of areas I remember watching a live stream of E3 I cannot remember which year it was but this person keep putting the Nazi symbol on the comments during the e3 Live stream so the thing is by shutting down The forums they are still gonna have that problem of people still acting like idiots

[mousestalker1]

In re: Toxic

 

Spoiler

 

As for knowledge of words and extensive vocabulary, I'm all for it. The English language has a very large working vocabulary and using the length and breadth of it where appropriate is enjoyable for both the writer and the reader. There is an extreme however. And to illustrate that point I am going to employ the dreaded obscure literary reference. If you have read the book it comes from, it will make sense and be to the point. If you have not, then it will go right past you and be needlessly obscure. Ready?

 

The Rigmaroles were termed a Defensive Settlement for good reason.

 

There you go. One literary reference that very few will get. And in an attempt to fruitlessly shame the ones who do not get it, it comes from a book that was a best seller and has sold hundreds of thousands of copies in hard back alone.

 

I will miss the writing that many have done on the lore of the games. I am a nerd, but not a hopeless one. With luck, the people who are just as obsessed with the obscure bits will keep posting and those of us who enjoy reading their work will continue to find it. It will just be that little bit more difficult and that is sad.

[Ottemis]

I wish they'd just come out and say that they don't want these forums as the face of their online community anymore because it's bad for business, because that's the conclusion I've arrived at.

 

There really is no good reason for a developer like Bioware to take such extreme actions. 

The thing is, I'm sure they know about the wealth of information, projects, and strength of community that has developed and gathered here over so many years. They know that, even without their active supervision and contribution this place retains value. They surely even know that no other site can ever really replace it, because we now lose a backdrop of years upon years of accumulated information and discussion. Information that was left here, is still referred to but made by users long gone; that will simply disappear when these forums go. Of course hosting forums costs money, but I can hardly imagine that having been a consideration for them. We're not talking about an Indy developer here.

So my conclusion is that they are trying to erase controversial discussion about their games that could potentially be harmful to future business and sales by just getting rid of the majority of evidence it ever existed in the first place.
We had high expectations that they did not live up to the past years and logically that is reflected on these forums. The games in both active franchises have made a lot of their fans angry and left them disillusioned. That breeds a certain kind of atmosphere. It's bad for business, it's bad for sales so it's easiest to just get rid of it.
 

What else is there to consider? The only alternative reason I can come up with is that they simply don't give a flying toss about what the fan community values, and if that were the case, they really are in the wrong line of work.