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[Ottemis]

I can understand it from a business point of view, but it's dealing a devastating blow to the community.

[Elhanan]

I am pretty sure many of the people here understand why too, but they criticize the decision with supporting arguments. Even people who said that they do not understand why actually DO understand, it is just that they saw the positives far out-weight the negatives that they are confounded
 
EDIT: *positives for keeping the forums open and active, I cannot emphasize this enough

And I have seen some with supporting arguments, too. But again, the vocal tantrums, spam, etc that has occurred will likely overwhelm the good done by the few; just like the rest of the forums.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I can understand it from a business point of view, but it's dealing a devastating blow to the community.

I don't. It appears to me that BW has done little to reverse the situation. Over the years their reputation for interacting with this forum community approached zero. It was odd, because previously BW was near untouchable, because they had probably the best reputation in the games industry. But if BW opts to not turn the tide, then do not be surprised that people get confused and/or start speaking up about that behavior change.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

 

A couple of days to go. Time to start unpacking the violins.

[Ottemis]

I don't. It appears to me that BW has done little to reverse the situation. Over the years their reputation for interacting with this forum community approached zero. It was odd, because previously BW was near untouchable, because they had probably the best reputation in the games industry. But if BW opts to not turn the tide, then do not be surprised that people get confused and/or start speaking up about that behavior change.

 

Oh that wouldn't be surprising at all, I hear you. We've already crossed that bridge some time ago i think.

 

Btw when I say I understand it, I don't mean I agree with it. They dug this grave themselves, now we're paying the price.

[Khayness]

It was odd, because previously BW was near untouchable, because they had probably the best reputation in the games industry.

 

They still do. It's just the entitled vocal minority hosted on this site that makes them look bad. The real fans on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Tumblr still matter to them.

 

[SofaJockey]

The only alternative reason I can come up with is that they simply don't give a flying toss about what the fan community values...

 

I was quite grumpy about the whole thing for a few days.

 

But as part of work setting up one of the other groups, I had the accidental opportunity to talk to a couple of BioWare 'higher ups' by PM

and whilst they are clearly keeping their head down about this, I feel quite optimistic after the interaction.

 

The response was nothing other than kind support, even so far as to 'clearing' some of the legals over how the lifeboat group would be titled and include the name 'BioWare'.

 

The best analogy I can draw is that it is like kicking noisy teenagers out of the house because they need to fend for themselves.

A good deal of the toxicity was because it was  the official site and it's a target for 'raging against the owners'.

To my mind, the biggest issue with the forums for them is that they were (by ownership) responsible for what happens here.

 

As N7 Day beckoned, they will have had the discussion about MEA sub-forums and support activities for the next 2 years and went 'let's not'...

Conveniently, it kills a portion of the angry ME3 archive, at least the portion on their servers.

 

I still rather it hadn't happened, but I understand the perspective.

Going forward, either this community has the energy and interest in continuing to have 'long-form' discussions on its own two feet, or it doesn't.

[AngryFrozenWater]

They still do. It's just the entitled vocal minority hosted on this site that makes them look bad. The real fans on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Tumblr still matter to them.

 

I would go bankrupt if there was a "vocal minority" jar.

[vbibbi]

Strange that the use of a thesaurus is held with such contempt and this is the third time I've read such an opinion in as many days. As a fan of various poets one of my early favorites was reputed to travel with a dictionary, have studied it continually and underlined unfamiliar words. That was only a little over 50 years. The vibrancy of language isn't something that should be scorned but celebrated. Maybe many of the modern era feel differently.

 

I haven't been trolling since I haven't been looking for an emotional response and those that I've gotten I've ignored or responded to kindly. It's only a certain type of person that has spoken derisively to me as a person and tried to put me in my place demonstrating their toxicity.

 

It's not the use of a thesaurus which is held in contempt, although in average conversation one should not feel the need to constantly pull from the thesaurus. It's the idea that using the thesaurus somehow makes the conversation appear more intelligent than it is.

 

Bigger, more obscure words do not add weight to your opinions, they actually hinder dialogue because your thoughts and arguments are being needlessly obfuscated through your diction (and quite frankly, your syntax). If you were truly interested in having a conversation like you used to in the "good old days" you would be trying to speak more clearly and colloquially than as if you were sponsored by the thesaurus.

 

Don't forget, a lot of people on these forums don't speak English as their primary language, so in a way you're actually hindering conversation further for them. Your posts come across to me as trying to be needlessly complicated to make you look so much better in your ivory tower than us toxic, unwashed masses who have shut down these boards with our crassness.

[clone wars]

Is it just me or Is bioware tried to blame social media for closing their forums

[Orian Tabris]

Is it just me or Is bioware tried to blame social media for closing their forums

 

Kind of. They're certainly using social media as an excuse.

[LPPrince]

Is it just me or Is bioware tried to blame social media for closing their forums

 

 

Nah its basically them going, "We go there and don't come here anymore so there's no point in this place even existing"

 

Totally ignoring all the good people posting good stuff here, the multi-language communities that have nowhere to go, all the negativity on the other sites(one of the ones they switched to driving a Bioware employee out of the industry), etc etc

[Filament]

To be clear, BW themselves have said nothing about 'toxicity' being the reason for the closure. And if so, the irony of them pointing to Twitter, Tumblr, YouTube, Facebook and reddit as alternatives would be prodigious.

 

We have speculated based on history that this is so, but that is only speculation, not certainty, and if we grant that it is a probable factor, then we should also grant that it is probably not the only factor. Bean counting is another probable factor. And the convenience of the block button rather than moderating a forum. And the type of feedback they want, which is to say, they don't, because they prefer good listeners and folks who will regurgitate their ad campaigns onto their friends' feed. Or, if players must give feedback, then they should at least do so dressed as Morrigan.

 

Also, now in Edmonton time:

 

[Khayness]

 

Or, if players must give feedback, then they should at least do so dressed as Morrigan.

 

I don't think most of us would look appealing in a scarf-bra-thing.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Strange that the use of a thesaurus is held with such contempt and this is the third time I've read such an opinion in as many days. As a fan of various poets one of my early favorites was reputed to travel with a dictionary, have studied it continually and underlined unfamiliar words. That was only a little over 50 years. The vibrancy of language isn't something that should be scorned but celebrated. Maybe many of the modern era feel differently.

I haven't been trolling since I haven't been looking for an emotional response and those that I've gotten I've ignored or responded to kindly. It's only a certain type of person that has spoken derisively to me as a person and tried to put me in my place demonstrating their toxicity.

People are just responding to the pomposity, condescension, and hypocrisy on display here. Any perceived "toxicity" is the result of your insulting broad swaths of the forum base, antagonizing other posters and generally indulging (by your own admission) in the very same behavior that you've been condemning in others.

[Filament]

I don't think most of us would look appealing in a scarf-bra-thing.

That's the idea.

[Wolven_Soul]

I don't. It appears to me that BW has done little to reverse the situation. Over the years their reputation for interacting with this forum community approached zero. It was odd, because previously BW was near untouchable, because they had probably the best reputation in the games industry. But if BW opts to not turn the tide, then do not be surprised that people get confused and/or start speaking up about that behavior change.

 

Now you see, that is one of the biggest reasons I am reluctant to join any of the new forums popping up, because they are centered on Bioware.  Yes, they are fan created and fan controlled, but still very much focused on Bioware and their games, and I am uncertain that they deserve that.  Once upon a time your right, Bioware's reputation was sterling but now...they are nearly unrecognizable.  At least to me.  From their games to their interaction with the fans. 

 

I would be more apt to join one of the new forums if they were more along the lines of just being former BSN'ers that just wanted a place to talk together about video games in general.  I love discussing things and arguing with people, just don't want to feel confined to an off topic board. 

 

Just to clarify, it would not be the other people in the forum confining me, it would be me confining myself.  Don't want anyone to think I was saying that the people in those new places are being unwelcoming or anything. 

[Servo to the bitter end]

I was quite grumpy about the whole thing for a few days.
 
But as part of work setting up one of the other groups, I had the accidental opportunity to talk to a couple of BioWare 'higher ups' by PM
and whilst they are clearly keeping their head down about this, I feel quite optimistic after the interaction.
 
The response was nothing other than kind support, even so far as to 'clearing' some of the legals over how the lifeboat group would be titled and include the name 'BioWare'.
 
The best analogy I can draw is that it is like kicking noisy teenagers out of the house because they need to fend for themselves.
A good deal of the toxicity was because it was  the official site and it's a target for 'raging against the owners'.
To my mind, the biggest issue with the forums for them is that they were (by ownership) responsible for what happens here.
 
As N7 Day beckoned, they will have had the discussion about MEA sub-forums and support activities for the next 2 years and went 'let's not'...
Conveniently, it kills a portion of the angry ME3 archive, at least the portion on their servers.
 
I still rather it hadn't happened, but I understand the perspective.
Going forward, either this community has the energy and interest in continuing to have 'long-form' discussions on its own two feet, or it doesn't.

I just don't understand how they could regard this as a good idea. They'll be the only major dev I can name without an official forum. The places where these long form discussions continue will be that much harder to find for new users, if they even prove to be sustainable (say what you will, an officially sanctioned platform for discussion has sustainability and longevity that a fan space doesn't - as long as they don't do anything dumb, at any rate).

 

There are a few easy things they could have done to revitalize this place. But failing that, there are even ways they could have spun a move to a new forum that dumped the baggage of this current one (although it would have been a nice gesture to keep them read only for the benefit of current and future fans). It would have cost them a lot of users, but it wouldn't have fractured the community the way this has.

 

More than just the forum regulars rely on this place. There's 6 years of history here.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Now you see, that is one of the biggest reasons I am reluctant to join any of the new forums popping up, because they are centered on Bioware.  Yes, they are fan created and fan controlled, but still very much focused on Bioware and their games, and I am uncertain that they deserve that.  Once upon a time your right, Bioware's reputation was sterling but now...they are nearly unrecognizable.  At least to me.  From their games to their interaction with the fans. 

 

I would be more apt to join one of the new forums if they were more along the lines of just being former BSN'ers that just wanted a place to talk together about video games in general.  I love discussing things and arguing with people, just don't want to feel confined to an off topic board. 

 

Just to clarify, it would not be the other people in the forum confining me, it would be me confining myself.  Don't want anyone to think I was saying that the people in those new places are being unwelcoming or anything. 

That's why I joined the forum in my signature. It is established, covers all kinds of RPGs, has blogs and wikis, and happens to preserve the BSN forums. Not a bad choice, I think.

[SofaJockey]

Is it just me or Is bioware tried to blame social media for closing their forums

 

I think they implied that they could be more responsive there:

 

"We can share stories with you on the go, giving you a look behind the scenes on sites like Facebook,"

 

[Filament]

Now you see, that is one of the biggest reasons I am reluctant to join any of the new forums popping up, because they are centered on Bioware.  Yes, they are fan created and fan controlled, but still very much focused on Bioware and their games, and I am uncertain that they deserve that.  Once upon a time your right, Bioware's reputation was sterling but now...they are nearly unrecognizable.  At least to me.  From their games to their interaction with the fans. 
 
I would be more apt to join one of the new forums if they were more along the lines of just being former BSN'ers that just wanted a place to talk together about video games in general.  I love discussing things and arguing with people, just don't want to feel confined to an off topic board. 
 
Just to clarify, it would not be the other people in the forum confining me, it would be me confining myself.  Don't want anyone to think I was saying that the people in those new places are being unwelcoming or anything. 

Ours isn't centered on BioWare at all.

[Draining Dragon]

Ours isn't centered on BioWare at all.

Nor is ours. Wolven, I recommend check out Vroom Social Network and Top Shelf Gaming. One of those might be to your liking.

[Khayness]

 

 

I can see it already.

 

Conquistador! To reach that pillar we require 50 Exploration Quota, we will clear a path in 3 hours!

[votemarvel]

The toxic argument of here just doesn't hold water the more I think on it.

Sure Bioware can block the toxic elements on Twitter, Reddit, and Facebook for example but all that is needed to continue harassment there is a new email address, which can be easily picked up from the likes of Microsoft or Google.

Yet on this very forum we know they have the ability to restrict posting based on if you own a game. So all they would have to do to allow people to post at all is to set permissions to require one game linked to your Origin account. So not only would the banned have to create a new account, they would have to go and spend money in order to be allowed to post again. That would cut almost all trolls and toxic elements out very quickly indeed.

Please note I'm not suggesting that a forum ban block you from the game on your account, as we know that turned out to be rather bad publicity. Yet Bioware have the ultimate forum of posting control here, on this forum, yet they somehow think they will get less negative people on the social networks?

[Khayness]

Yet on this very forum we know they have the ability to restrict posting based on if you own a game.

 

All that is thanks to a certain canine with dubious ancestry.

 

And even that didn't help.