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#7076
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The way the toxicity is embedded into the social fabric of the forum is part of the problem. It's often insidious and when pointed out it is denied or trivialized then blame is shifted elsewhere.

 

I don't believe the majority on here are toxic. The problem is that the few voices that are toxic speak out often and across many threads. 

 

It's doubtful BioWare employees are afraid of criticism.

 

Funny. Most posts I read on the BSN are usually from people discussing things in a civilized manner. 

 

Bioware devs must've gone blind with rage when confronted with a few of the sociopaths who lurk in the forum waiting for an opportunity to attack people. After the experience, they just labelled everyone here entitled and toxic.

 

Don't they realize we've had to deal with the sociopaths over the years every time we came to the BSN to interact with our fellow players? As well as in ANY other online social media? That this is not something exclusive to their fanbase, but rather the downside of the internet in general?

 

 

 

About BW handling criticism...no, they don't know how to do that. The ME3 ending fiasco proved it.

 

The players were right. The original ending was awful. Bioware tried to justify it, saying it was a conceptual thing, but it just didn't work. The problem is that a few people saw what was happening - dissatisfied fans making a legitimate complaint about the ME3 ending - and took the chance to wreak havoc and have fun at everyone's expense. They disguised their attacks to the devs as criticism. Thus a legitimate criticism to the game was transformed into a personal attack against Bioware.

 

But that's still not the main problem.

 

If the devs were harassed by sociopaths while acknowledging the legitimate criticism, they should have been ready to discern between sincere feedback and downright abusive behaviour, as well as have a staff ready to deal with the latter. Especially after the release of a huge game such as ME3.

 

(I never really understood why a dev would just engage in a random thread and expect not to automatically label himself a target for sociopaths. Because that's what happens everytime an assiduous member posts something. It's like a lamb insisting on walking through a forest alone where there's a well-known wolf pack hiding somewhere. And then blaming the other animals who survive in the forest BY BEING CAREFUL for not warning them about a possible attack.)

 

 

 

The truth is that the devs are not upset about the toxicity, as they call it. They're upset because the critics were right. And at the time, they didn't know how to handle the simultaneous abuse coming from sociopaths. So in their heads, we, the fanbase, insulted them. They only forgot we have to deal with abusive behaviour daily and just learn to, like Cassandra says, Deal With It. 

 

And between admitting the truth and believing in a convenient version of the facts, they chose the latter. Thus why we're all paying for the actions of a few (who probably don't even like the games as we do and only come here to have fun at the expense of unknown victims): because BW didn't have a contingency plan ready to deal with a common online phenomenon.

 

The best part is that the sociopaths will continue to harass fans out of here, in the new forums. The toxicity, as they call it, isn't gone. It will just follow the fanbase to new places. But the rest of us have inherited their reputation thanks to people like David Gaider and Chris Priestly (Bye Felicia) calling the BSN toxic and helping to forge a negative image not of the few sociopaths that attacked the devs, but of US. We, the silent majority.

 

Does that sound fair to you?


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#7077
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Just a reminder for anyone just tuning inm that with the forumpocalypse upon us there is still salvation:

 

http://bsn.boards.net/

 

-Over 1,100 members

-Founded by our very own Cyonan

-Includes all the helpful guides and tips (like the MP Resource Library) and all the sections you know and love, including off-topic

-a lot of friendly faces already made the journey. Come join them!


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#7078
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whelp that sounds like a thing that happened.


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#7079
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Sure Bioware can block the toxic elements on Twitter, Reddit, and Facebook for example but all that is needed to continue harassment there is a new email address, which can be easily picked up from the likes of Microsoft or Google.


But if you read the dev posts here, random internet harassment wasn't the issue. It was the tone of a place which they were collectively responsible for. They didn't like it, don't need it, and don't feel like paying for it anymore.
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#7080
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I disappear after irl problems force me to go on a journey filled with sorrow, booze and ice cream and then finally return only to discover the forums are ceasing?

Welp looks like it's back to crying in a corner drinking booze and eating way too much ice cream. Sigh.
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#7081
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thanks for this wonderful trilogy, and a great multilayer that i still enjoy playing after 1900 hours. 

 

waiting for ME:A, billing that does not go the route of fable 4.

 

thanks again to all the people that program and care about the project.

 

thanks to all the player i play with in those years. 

 

Walter. 


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#7082
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That's why I joined the forum in my signature. It is established, covers all kinds of RPGs, has blogs and wikis, and happens to preserve the BSN forums. Not a bad choice, I think. ;)

 

No, no, upon closer inspection your right.  Perhaps if I had just...you know...looked off to the left the last time I checked it out I would have seen that there is a lot more going on there than just Bioware forums, lol.  My bad.  I may just end up going there. 


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#7083
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But if you read the dev posts here, random internet harassment wasn't the issue. It was the tone of a place which they were collectively responsible for. They didn't like it, don't need it, and don't feel like paying for it anymore.

 

And you don't think that this was a bit of an over-correction?


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#7084
Wolven_Soul

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Nor is ours. Wolven, I recommend check out Vroom Social Network and Top Shelf Gaming. One of those might be to your liking.

 

Yeah I'll check them out, because I can't fool myself into believing that I can go without getting online and arguing with people for any great length of time, lol.  :P

 

I tried, but was unsuccessful. 


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#7085
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I'd be willing to believe it more if BioWare had decided to close the forums after the releases of DA2 and ME3. I've done my fair share of eye rolling from posts I've read here, but that's just how it is on the internet. Individuals can say whatever they please behind the safety of a username. I joke that the first rule of the internet is: Don't read youtube comments.

They were also very present here on the months right before DAI release and vanished when people started complaining about problems with the game on PC.


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#7086
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I LOVE YOU GUYS

“I am glad you are here with me. Here at the end of all things, Sam."
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#7087
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https://forum.biowar...wiki-close-too/

 

Could we get a Bioware employee to address this please?


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#7088
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https://forum.biowar...wiki-close-too/
 
Could we get a Bioware employee to address this please?

Not gonna happen I'm sry brotha
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#7089
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It's been an honor


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#7090
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I've already been banned once! I could get banned again for no reason what so ever!


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#7091
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Strange that the use of a thesaurus is held with such contempt and this is the third time I've read such an opinion in as many days. As a fan of various poets one of my early favorites was reputed to travel with a dictionary, have studied it continually and underlined unfamiliar words. That was only a little over 50 years. The vibrancy of language isn't something that should be scorned but celebrated. Maybe many of the modern era feel differently..


It isn't a large vocabulary that is held in contempt. It is the air of pretension you project, at the expense of being clear and concise. Those too would likely be ignored, if not for your gloating about the demise of the fan community you're addressing.
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#7092
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RE: Thesaurus

Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation.

That is all.
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#7093
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Man, I feel so much like crying right now.

 

I hope you people are in the new forums. If I don't see you there, I swear I'll search for you IN YOUR HOME and drag you in front of a computer.


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#7094
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I swear I'll search for you IN YOUR HOME and drag you in front of a computer.

 

Bring beer. Key's under the cactus pot.


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#7095
ModernAcademic

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Bring beer. Key's under the cactus pot.

 

*grumble grumble*

 

Okay, sure. Just don't expect me to bring pizza, too. 

 

<_<

 

 

 

 

 

 

Double pepperoni with extra cheese?


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#7096
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Since others have already said what needs to be said, I'll just add to it:

A lot is right. Stalkers, really. I've tried to draw out this type of toxic activity over the last week or so. Perhaps it has shown to some.

It's a shame that this type of behavior contributed to the forum being shut down and even more disgusting that those that do such try to shift blame to BioWare. This sickness runs deep in those that have it and the realization difficult to accept when the reward is social acceptance for those that may lack it or thrive on it.

 

ATNihzt.gif  "Toxic"

 

Strange that the use of a thesaurus is held with such contempt and this is the third time I've read such an opinion in as many days. The vibrancy of language isn't something that should be scorned but celebrated. Maybe many of the modern era feel differently.

That's not what's held in contempt, and "the vibrancy of language" isn't being scorned at all. It's the fact that with you specifically, it sounds like you're trying a little too hard with it, which makes it seem like you're using a form of sophistry to deceive the reader into thinking your posts have more argumentative merit than they actually do.

 

"Use big words, sound smarter than other side. Argument more convincing."

 

As well as trying to look intellectually superior to your opposition. It isn't working, though, since as I said, you're trying too hard with it. It's possible that's not what you're trying to do, but that's what it looks like.

 

Also, your passive-aggressive insinuation that young people are dumb didn't go unnoticed.


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#7097
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Oh wait, is there another N7 troll on the premise?


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#7098
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RE: ThesaurusEschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation.That is all.

I didn't understand a word you just wrote. I'll blame it on English being my fourth language and leave it at that.

#7099
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BansheeOwnage,

 

Talking about closing forums... I thought that the thread I've promised, in which your brilliant drawing plays a key role, would get wasted on this sinking ship. So, I have posted it on my favorite forum. I hope you don't mind. ;)


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#7100
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How fitting that this was uploaded today.

 


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