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[Nefla]

I don't know how but I feel if we can at least try to save this forum then maybe it can be but if we can we would have to work together both the fans and bioware to make sure that is a safe environment to discuss things not just random abuse or random comments about this and that it has to be true discussion and if you gonna give criticism to Bioware then it has to be constructive something that they can work on something that helps them in the mix project not just random abusive statements like this was bullshit or what the hell were you thinking stuff like that has to be constructive like this didn't make sense story wise or perhaps if you move this bad glad to this place it could make it a whole lot interesting way to do a omission stuff like that stuff that can really help them in developing the game it's that simple yes we have a right to be angry frustrated and a bit pissed off about something but it takes both the fans and developers working together to make a good game and they help the gaming industry move forward

The forums can't be saved, at this point there's nothing we can do

[bEVEsthda]

I think I understand why Bioware closes the forum. There are people who feel that the mood on the forums helped spoil sales of DA2, ME3, and why not DA:I too? And now they don't want to take any chances with ME:A. 

 

And yeah, why not? It seems reasonable that it could have had some impact.  ...But, just a moment. - Shouldn't it? I mean: When they release things like the worked over DA as a wannabe-Japanese game? The uneducated, literary naive and childishly unimaginative non-ending of ME3? Frankly, I'm cruel enough to think that it served them right. Tsk, tsk, what were they thinking?

 

But all games have flaws. And even very flawed games can be a lot of fun. Uniquely fun. No game deserves to judged because of some flaws. DA:I's PC-interface comes to mind. Very disappointing, but the game was still playable. Did the forum rage against the PC-UI hurt DA:I sales? Maybe. And in that case DA:I didn't deserve that. But hey, - how much did the previous DA2 hurt DA:I sales?

 

Actually, someone is going to get some sort of answer to that question. Because thanks to the forums closing down, we will be able to see how much the ME3 ending hurts ME:A sales.

 

So I'm disappointedly and reluctantly 50/50 in favor of this move. ME:A is too important to take any chances. If I had to vote on it: Yeah, close the forum. Hope they learn something from this.

 

Me? I would have killed both franchises after DA2 and ME3 and never bothered to try kick life in them again. Of course, - I wouldn't ever remake a franchise sequel to a different kind of game, like DA2. And whoever came up with the idea for the ME3 end wouldn't get his way. Actually, having proven his incompetence so grimly, he would never get to write anything at all ever again. So I would never have had that problem in the first place.

 

So ultimately, yes, lets try save ME4 by any means. It's justified. It could be interesting to see how it works out. But the blame for Bioware's dilemma doesn't lie with the forums. They made their own bed. Long ago. ...But so with that, move on.

 

Other social media, Bioware seem to have less friends on Reddit. It's probably where all the people who were permabanned during the outrage against DA2 hang out. As for Twitter, I never go there, because if I saw someone post on Twitter, I could never respect that person again.

[ModernAcademic]

I find it hilarious there were people at Bioware who strongly disliked the criticism to the ME3 endings when one guy alone detected no short than TWENTY problematic things in the game. All of them well-explained and presented with rational arguments.

 

Did Bioware even bother to watch feedback such as this to learn from it? 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=gxIfQ8ZFd8s

[line_genrou]

I think I understand why Bioware closes the forum. There are people who feel that the mood on the forums helped spoil sales of DA2, ME3, and why not DA:I too? And now they don't want to take any chances with ME:A. 

 

And yeah, why not? It seems reasonable that it could have had some impact.  ...But, just a moment. - Shouldn't it? I mean: When they release things like the worked over DA as a wannabe-Japanese game? The uneducated, literary naive and childishly unimaginative non-ending of ME3? Frankly, I'm cruel enough to think that it served them right. Tsk, tsk, what were they thinking?

 

But all games have flaws. And even very flawed games can be a lot of fun. Uniquely fun. No game deserves to judged because of some flaws. DA:I's PC-interface comes to mind. Very disappointing, but the game was still playable. Did the forum rage against the PC-UI hurt DA:I sales? Maybe. And in that case DA:I didn't deserve that. But hey, - how much did the previous DA2 hurt DA:I sales?

 

Actually, someone is going to get some sort of answer to that question. Because thanks to the forums closing down, we will be able to see how much the ME3 ending hurts ME:A sales.

 

So I'm disappointedly and reluctantly 50/50 in favor of this move. ME:A is too important to take any chances. If I had to vote on it: Yeah, close the forum. Hope they learn something from this.

 

Me? I would have killed both franchises after DA2 and ME3 and never bothered to try kick life in them again. Of course, - I wouldn't ever remake a franchise sequel to a different kind of game, like DA2. And whoever came up with the idea for the ME3 end wouldn't get his way. Actually, having proven his incompetence so grimly, he would never get to write anything at all ever again. So I would never have had that problem in the first place.

 

So ultimately, yes, lets try save ME4 by any means. It's justified. It could be interesting to see how it works out. But the blame for Bioware's dilemma doesn't lie with the forums. They made their own bed. Long ago. ...But so with that, move on.

 

Other social media, Bioware seem to have less friends on Reddit. It's probably where all the people who were permabanned during the outrage against DA2 hang out. As for Twitter, I never go there, because if I saw someone post on Twitter, I could never respect that person again.

EA thinks they can make BioWare last a few months after ME:A is released by buying reviews and awards, putting fingers in their ears and going la la la to what their costumers have to say. We all know how that's going to end.

[Element Zero]

I'm sure there are many people at BioWare who understand the complaints concerning ME3. When you are part of a team, though, you present a united front. When you work for a company, you present a united front, or potentially suffer professional consequences.

Now and then I will see posts hinting that devs at BioWare should've spoken out, turned on their fellows, or quit their jobs, because it would've been "the right thing to do" in the commenter's estimation. Clearly, whoever writes such a thing has never worked hard to build a career or had serious financial obligations. Or, more likely, they're choosing to be thick-headed about things and are not trying to see things from the other side of the fence.

I doubt we will ever hear much about this from BioWare insiders, even years down the road. After all, they were a team, through good and bad, better and worse. We were the outsiders, as much as we might share a common love for the IP on which they worked. Were I in their position, I can't imagine ever coming out, even years down the road, and admitting that my colleagues were asshats or screwed the pooch majorly. BioWare chose to "hold the line", so I think they have to do that forevermore. The time for speaking openly and honestly was four years ago. Silence is better now.

[dreamgazer]

I find it hilarious there were people at Bioware who strongly disliked the criticism to the ME3 endings when one guy alone detected no short than TWENTY problematic things in the game. All of them well-explained and presented with rational arguments.

Did Bioware even bother to watch feedback such as this to learn from it?

https://www.youtube....h?v=gxIfQ8ZFd8s

You can come up with lists of "problematic things" for every damn installment in the trilogy. Singling ME3 out is silly.

[LinksOcarina]

EA thinks they can make BioWare last a few months after ME:A is released by buying reviews and awards, putting fingers in their ears and going la la la to what their costumers have to say. We all know how that's going to end.

 

Well, they won't buy my review of the game come next year, I can guarantee that at least. 

[dreamgazer]

Ah, the good old "buying reviews" position ...

Gee, why are you closing the forums again, BioWare?

[LinksOcarina]

Ah, the good old "buying reviews" position ...

Gee, why are you closing the forums again, BioWare?

 

To be fair thats everywhere, not really unique to here.

[vbibbi]

Ah, the good old "buying reviews" position ...

Gee, why are you closing the forums again, BioWare?

 

Your attitude certainly wasn't helping prevent the closure.

[dreamgazer]

To be fair thats everywhere, not really unique to here.

Sure, but it being on BioWare/EA's turf, and thus BioWare/EA's responsibility to regulate, makes it a unique situation.

[SlottsMachine]

Ah, the good old "buying reviews" position ...

Gee, why are you closing the forums again, BioWare?

 

Well if they are that thin-skinned maybe it is a good thing they are shutting this place down.  

[dreamgazer]

Your attitude certainly wasn't helping prevent the closure.

Unfortunately, I can understand where they're coming from by pulling the plug. So no, I guess it wasn't.

[dreamgazer]

Well if they are that thin-skinned maybe it is a good thing they are shutting this place down.

I don't think they're *that* thin-skinned. I think they're just tired of dealing with the constant drama and the reputation that comes along with it, and it's reached a point where the costs outweigh the benefits.

[Nefla]

Ah, the good old "buying reviews" position ...

Gee, why are you closing the forums again, BioWare?

So things like putting an IGN reporter as a character in ME3 was...because of her superb acting skills?

[dreamgazer]

So things like putting an IGN reporter as a character in ME3 was...because of her superb acting skills?

Or, they just gave a figure in geek culture an extended cameo in a fitting role. Where's the payment here?

[Element Zero]

Unfortunately, I can understand where they're coming from by pulling the plug. So no, I guess it wasn't.

There are two faces to BSN, for me. There is the nice, manageable forum we have most of the time. Then, there is the roiling storm that popped up after both DA2 and ME3. It really did get out of hand, in many respects, and it went on for months. I, too, understand why this present outcome has resulted, even if they'll never admit that this is their true reason for pulling the plug.

I think it's a shame that we lost our connection to the team because of back-to-back explosive (for ME3), prolonged, negative reactions in these forums. It's a far greater shame, though, that we are losing the forums. I never came here to talk to devs. That was a cool novelty, back in the day. I came here to talk to my fellow fans. Sadly, we are reaping the consequences of the community's actions 4-6 years ago. This place is simply too risky to keep around, and not worth the headaches, I imagine.

I was deeply dissatisfied by ME3, but even I couldn't handle the year of bad vibes that followed on these forums. I can't imagine how badly I'd have felt had I been part of the team that built the game. My whole work trashed because of a 10-min ending? (We all know that's what happened. Other issues would be been received and discussed more calmly.) Ugh. Disheartening. I'd have fled this place just as they did.

[Element Zero]

Anyone else think it's a little bizarre that we will make our final stand here in the BSN Help Subforum? It's somehow not what I could ever have imagined. It's probably the last section I would've guessed, truly. I suppose it was chosen for us, ultimately.

[Iakus]

Sure, but it being on BioWare/EA's turf, and thus BioWare/EA's responsibility to regulate, makes it a unique situation.

What you think Bethesda, Rockstar, Square Enix, etc don't have people claiming they buy reviews on their forums?

[AngryFrozenWater]

I don't think they're *that* thin-skinned. I think they're just tired of dealing with the constant drama and the reputation that comes along with it, and it's reached a point where the costs outweigh the benefits.

You can attach "drama" to reason as much as you like, but that doesn't make reason drama. You can point the finger to the customers, but consider this: DA:O and ME2 were well received titles, both by the critics and the gamers. In general everyone was rather happy with those titles. Bioware had an excellent reputation and the gamers seemed to love the company. To you the question: Why would a lot of these fans all of a sudden turn their back to their beloved Bioware?

[ModernAcademic]

Anyone else think it's a little bizarre that we will make our final stand here in the BSN Help Subforum? It's somehow not what I could ever have imagined. It's probably the last section I would've guessed, truly. I suppose it was chosen for us, ultimately.

 

Yup. But in the end, it turned out to be us, the fans, who have helped each other out by extending invitations to alternative forums. So, no help from Bioware, but plenty of solidarity being displayed around. 

 

Tomorrow is the big day. Is everyone ready?

[AlanC9]

Ah, the good old "buying reviews" position ...

Gee, why are you closing the forums again, BioWare?

Forget it, Jake; it's the BSN.

[Brockololly]

You can attach "drama" to reason as much as you like, but that doesn't make reason drama. You can point the finger to the customers, but consider this: DA:O and ME2 were well received titles, both by the critics and the gamers. In general everyone was rather happy with those titles. Bioware had an excellent reputation and the gamers seemed to love the company. To you the question: Why would a lot of these fans all of a sudden turn their back to their beloved Bioware?

Well, I think its simple; Dragon Age 2 and the ending to Mass Effect 3.

 

Those 2 products pretty clearly poisoned the well with respect to BioWare for a lot of people and that's when a lot of the negativity started to creep into the forums quite a bit.

[Nefla]

Yup. But in the end, it turned out to be us, the fans, who have helped each other out by extending invitations to alternative forums. So, no help from Bioware, but plenty of solidarity being displayed around. 

 

Tomorrow is the big day. Is everyone ready?

Not ready, the feels are creeping back in!

 

[AngryFrozenWater]

Well, I think its simple; Dragon Age 2 and the ending to Mass Effect 3.

 

Those 2 products pretty clearly poisoned the well with respect to BioWare for a lot of people and that's when a lot of the negativity started to creep into the forums quite a bit.

Good to see you post, man.

 

Agreed.

 

Can I use this opportunity to mention that I enjoyed your posts throughout the years? You are one of my favorite posters here. Respect.

 

Although I never understood your fascination for Morrigan.