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[Estelindis]

I can barely believe this is really happening.  A month for it to set in isn't enough.  And a month to leave the forums up so people can save valued posts isn't enough either.  A Buddhist friend of mine was away recently on a three month retreat where she was cut off from the internet (among other things).  For someone who goes off the grid for a while, this announcement and the total erasure of the forums would all happen without giving them the chance to respond or save anything.    And even for someone who's aware of it in advance, one can't necessarily predict what one will need to save.  Maybe six months down the line it would become really handy to be able to access a particular old thread - yet all of these valuable fan contributions are simply being thrown away like trash.

 

I maintain that Bioware's decision here is wrong.  The main attraction of this forum for most of us is not developer posts but a central locus for us to discuss the games and related matters with each other.  Some fantastic resources have been generated as a result of these discussions.  I would be perfectly happy if Bioware said they were never going to post here again and left us to our own devices.  As for moderation issues: if, as they say, closing the forum isn't a matter of money, then clearly whatever they pay moderators isn't enough to be a problem and can continue to be paid.  Or even if they closed everything to further comment but left the archives up indefinitely, that would be better than erasing it all in one short month (which feels to me like burning a library).

 

A community like this takes a long time to build up.  Now it's scattering to the four winds and sadly won't be fully recaptured at any of the various sites that are generously and kindly presenting themselves as alternatives.  To me, it's a loss and a grief.

 

Anyway, not wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater, in spite of knowing they'll never have quite the same userbase I will try out a few of the possible replacement BSNs, like Fextralife and bsn.boards.net.  

 

My main interest here has been Neverwinter Nights, particularly custom content.  I started posting on the old Bioware forums for NWN, then moved to the BSN, and now here.  From now, I will post about NWN CC in the forums of the new Neverwinter Vault.  

 

Otherwise, I will mainly be on Reddit.  I've been a subscriber in the Mass Effect and Dragon Age subreddits for years, and they're fine.  That said, I feel like the style and layout of posts here is more conducive to a flowing discussion with several people participating rather than one that splinters in the way the comment trees do there - I feel like you can really only have a bunch of one-on-one discussions there.  So we are losing something by not having this place as an option.  Twitter, Tumblr, Facebook - they're all fine for what they are, but to me these media aren't the most suitable for the conversations I like to have.

 

I thank Bioware for giving us this place for so long.  But, sincerely, if money really isn't the reason for taking this place away - which I would actually understand - then I must maintain to the very last moment that closing the forum is a mistake.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I can barely believe this is really happening.  A month for it to set in isn't enough.  And a month to leave the forums up so people can save valued posts isn't enough either.  A Buddhist friend of mine was away recently on a three month retreat where she was cut off from the internet (among other things).  For someone who goes off the grid for a while, this announcement and the total erasure of the forums would all happen without giving them the chance to respond or save anything.    And even for someone who's aware of it in advance, one can't necessarily predict what one will need to save.  Maybe six months down the line it would become really handy to be able to access a particular old thread - yet all of these valuable fan contributions are simply being thrown away like trash.

 

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Good post.

 

Not all will be lost. The forums will be preserved by the community. Follow the link in my signature.

[LPPrince]

Tomorrow's gonna feel wrong.

[Estelindis]

Good post.

 

Not all will be lost. The forums will be preserved by the community. Follow the link in my signature.

 

I appreciate that a good portion of the forum has been saved at Fextralife.  Actually, in another tab, I am there right now reading a very interesting post from you about the ME3 ending.    But a lot of stuff is not saved.  There I have 835 posts.  Here I have 3,705.  This is nothing against Fextralife, as saving some is way better than saving none, and I really appreciate that they stepped up and helped here in a way that Bioware seem not to want to, for whatever reason that I can't fathom.  But it is representative of the fact that not all the same stuff will be in the same place anymore.  

 

There's no place for Neverwinter Nights there, for example.  And, honestly, that probably makes sense, as I expect most of us NWNers still posting will be better off on the new Vault.  That's a more natural place for us.  But it won't have all our old posts.  Now, it doesn't look like those posts will be totally lost, as members of the community are putting them into the NWN Omnibus, a downloadable archive of old posts first made when a previous old official forum shut down.  Again, it's great to have this as a resource - infinitely better than if it was lost.  But it's not quite the same as all the old stuff being part of a living community in one cohesive whole, where you can be in the one place and have access to thoughts old and new.

 

Anyway, yes: it's really not the end of the world.  A lot of old stuff has been or is being saved.  But I just don't understand why Bioware is shutting down the place at all. 

[clone wars]

I just hope. That maybe the form can be saved because they're making a big mistake by shutting down this place

[LliiraAnna]

I appreciate that a good portion of the forum has been saved at Fextralife. Actually, in another tab, I am there right now reading a very interesting post from you about the ME3 ending. But a lot of stuff is not saved. There I have 835 posts. Here I have 3,705. This is nothing against Fextralife, as saving some is way better than saving none, and I really appreciate that they stepped up and helped here in a way that Bioware seem not to want to, for whatever reason that I can't fathom. But it is representative of the fact that not all the same stuff will be in the same place anymore.

There's no place for Neverwinter Nights there, for example. And, honestly, that probably makes sense, as I expect most of us NWNers still posting will be better off on the new Vault. That's a more natural place for us. But it won't have all our old posts. Now, it doesn't look like those posts will be totally lost, as members of the community are putting them into the NWN Omnibus, a downloadable archive of old posts first made when a previous old official forum shut down. Again, it's great to have this as a resource - infinitely better than if it was lost. But it's not quite the same as all the old stuff being part of a living community in one cohesive whole, where you can be in the one place and have access to thoughts old and new.

Anyway, yes: it's really not the end of the world. A lot of old stuff has been or is being saved. But I just don't understand why Bioware is shutting down the place at all.

My take on it is that the amount of negative feedback is the reason. As in, people become upset with something; people come here to vent. And sometimes they do it in a pretty aggressive manner; down to personal attacks. (hence the reputation for "toxicity" this forum has)

However...
1) I do not see how it is different from any other game forum. Take any game, its forums are going to have negativity. The bigger the game, the more of it. Why can everyone deal with this, but BW can't?
2) Even if this forum goes down, the negativity will still be present, just in other places. Overall I'd expect an increase in negativity as fallout after shutting the forum down.

I understand that some people can act entitled and go overboard and that can be unpleasant to read, but nuking everything is not the solution. It's running away. And that's sad.

[clone wars]

I agree on that because I'm to shut down the forums because you don't want to hear negativity stuff I meant granted yes some of the stuff that's been posted on the forum may have been crossing the line in regards to personal attacks but still the shutdown and entire forum just for that is not a Genteman reason that's just acting like a like a snob who doesn't want to hear negative thing but only want to hear positive things it's on it's Unfair anyone who wants to give constructive criticism about a situation period I mean if you want to do something constructive about the negativity that's on the forum don't just shut it down talk about it try and figure away to si about a situation period I mean if you want to do something constructive about the negativity that's on the forum don't just shut it down talk about it try and figure away to fix it I just close it down because you don't like what you see on the forum to me that not the best way to handle it period

[Estelindis]

1) I do not see how it is different from any other game forum. Take any game, its forums are going to have negativity. The bigger the game, the more of it. Why can everyone deal with this, but BW can't?
2) Even if this forum goes down, the negativity will still be present, just in other places. Overall I'd expect an increase in negativity as fallout after shutting the forum down.

I understand that some people can act entitled and go overboard and that can be unpleasant to read, but nuking everything is not the solution. It's running away. And that's sad.

 

Yeah, I think the same.  I personally didn't find this community "toxic."  Sure, there were some off-the-wall posts sometimes, and some people got nasty, but I've been nowhere on the internet where this doesn't happen sometimes.  Tumblr, Reddit, and all that jazz certainly aren't immune.  Some people would call those places toxic.  But I find them no more toxic than anywhere else, and with wonderful gems in good communities.  

 

Wherever human beings gather, there will be some mistakes made in the things people say or the way they say them.  As you say, nuking a place isn't the solution.  There is no all-encompassing solution.  It's human nature to make mistakes sometimes.

[Big I]

tl,dr Goodbye Bioware forums. I'm sad to see you go.

 

I've been following these forums since ME1. It's been my first stop for any Bioware related news for as long as I can remember. I always appreciated having somewhere to come and discuss Dragon Age, Mass Effect, or any other Bioware game; in my experience people elsewhere either don't know what those things are, or don't care enough to really discuss them in depth. Even other gamers will often look at you funny when you try to have the simplest Leliana vs Morrigan conversation, or try to discuss the ethics of the genophage.

 

In that time I've seen this place at it's lowest; I remember the two or three weeks before ME3 launched, when a few promotional and review copies had been released into the wild and people started to learn about the original ME3 endings. That was a grim time. I've also been awed by the hard work of community members like Hrungr, Didymos1120 and many others, doing everything from datamining Bioware games for unused audio and cut content, to creating "Known Features" threads that collated every piece of pre-release information about a game. But high or low, good or bad, it always spoke to the passion fans had for Bioware and the games they made.

 

Thank you, Bioware Forums, for all the character love pages. Thanks for all the helpful build advice posts and threads. I won't thank you for making me wonder about what Tali's sweat tastes like (seriously? Can never unsee), or for the 100th mage vs templar thread, but nothing's perfect. Most of all, thanks for being filled with people who know and love Dragon Age and Mass Effect as much as I do, or more. Thanks for making me feel welcome. We will all be diminished by your absence.

[rossler]

Tomorrow's gonna feel wrong.

 

I know. I don't like changes in my routine. 

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

When the Bioware Social Network became the Bioware Forums in February of 2014, for a short time we only had ten likes to give out in 24 hours.

 

Everyone complained that it wasn't nearly enough to share the love for fantastic posts so the limit was increased from ten likes to 48 likes in 24 hours.

 

48 in 24 was the limit for the majority of time on the Bioware Forums from '14 until now, but with the forums closing in three weeks Based Jesse Reid decided to raise the limit from 48 in 24 hours to 1000 in 24 hours.

 

In other words, good luck hitting the limit now.

Challenge accepted.

I did it. I am completely out of likes to give.

 

Still very sad that these forums are closing.

[fraggle]

I appreciate that a good portion of the forum has been saved at Fextralife.  Actually, in another tab, I am there right now reading a very interesting post from you about the ME3 ending.    But a lot of stuff is not saved.  There I have 835 posts.  Here I have 3,705.  This is nothing against Fextralife, as saving some is way better than saving none, and I really appreciate that they stepped up and helped here in a way that Bioware seem not to want to, for whatever reason that I can't fathom.  But it is representative of the fact that not all the same stuff will be in the same place anymore.  

 

There's no place for Neverwinter Nights there, for example.  And, honestly, that probably makes sense, as I expect most of us NWNers still posting will be better off on the new Vault.  That's a more natural place for us.  But it won't have all our old posts.  Now, it doesn't look like those posts will be totally lost, as members of the community are putting them into the NWN Omnibus, a downloadable archive of old posts first made when a previous old official forum shut down.  Again, it's great to have this as a resource - infinitely better than if it was lost.  But it's not quite the same as all the old stuff being part of a living community in one cohesive whole, where you can be in the one place and have access to thoughts old and new.

 

Anyway, yes: it's really not the end of the world.  A lot of old stuff has been or is being saved.  But I just don't understand why Bioware is shutting down the place at all. 

 

Fexelea is still importing, this will take a while though

[AngryFrozenWater]

I appreciate that a good portion of the forum has been saved at Fextralife.  Actually, in another tab, I am there right now reading a very interesting post from you about the ME3 ending.    But a lot of stuff is not saved.  There I have 835 posts.  Here I have 3,705.  This is nothing against Fextralife, as saving some is way better than saving none, and I really appreciate that they stepped up and helped here in a way that Bioware seem not to want to, for whatever reason that I can't fathom.  But it is representative of the fact that not all the same stuff will be in the same place anymore. 

I takes time to get all that stuff imported. Fexelea recently did ME1. She is now importing ME2. In time most posts will be there. It takes a couple of weeks, though. She hopes to be finished before BW's forum servers go down.

 

Edit: And thanks.

[clone wars]

we should not take this lying down we should do all we can to save this I mean it It is unfair to shut down this place because They don't want to hear bad stuff about their games or because someone wants to save money or even using the excuse of other social media outlets to me that it's just bad thinking to use those reasons to shut down a community forum like this I mean come on this is the one of the biggest mistakes because they're not gonna be able to get the same amount of And bass community on any of their social media outlets primarily because one day baby upload any videos on the YouTube channel that they have two social media outlets like Facebook and Twitter and Instagram have the limits and they're bit more toxic then this place because you gonna get the same amount of idiots who used social media outlets to stay nasty things to do Stupid things and all that so to me it would be much easier much safer to keep existing system that you have but you can still use all the other social media outlet to expand the fan base and bring more people into the community but don't shut down something like this and you lose one of the biggest fan base Community because not many if any are gonna go around on most to the other social media outlets because there are so many things that can go wrong so many things that will be difficult to do especially with such a large community that is been on this forum

[Estelindis]

Fexelea is still importing, this will take a while though

 

 

I takes time to get all that stuff imported. Fexelea recently did ME1. She is now importing ME2. In time most posts will be there. It takes a couple of weeks, though. She hopes to be finished before BW's forum servers go down.

 

Edit: And thanks.

 

Oh thanks, I hadn't realised stuff was still being imported!  Makes sense now actually, considering the ME2, ME3, and DA2 forums look pretty sparse!    Okay, I feel better about it now.  I mean I still think none of this should have to happen, but if pretty much everything is being saved, that's a big improvement.

 

And you're welcome, AngryFrozenWater!  I've always enjoyed reading your posts.

[sandalisthemaker]

we should not take this lying down we should do all we can to save this I mean it It is unfair to shut down this place because They don't want to hear bad stuff about their games or because someone wants to save money or even using the excuse of other social media outlets to me that it's just bad thinking to use those reasons to shut down a community forum like this I mean come on this is the one of the biggest mistakes because they're not gonna be able to get the same amount of And bass community on any of their social media outlets primarily because one day baby upload any videos on the YouTube channel that they have two social media outlets like Facebook and Twitter and Instagram have the limits and they're bit more toxic then this place because you gonna get the same amount of idiots who used social media outlets to stay nasty things to do Stupid things and all that so to me it would be much easier much safer to keep existing system that you have but you can still use all the other social media outlet to expand the fan base and bring more people into the community but don't shut down something like this and you lose one of the biggest fan base Community because not many if any are gonna go around on most to the other social media outlets because there are so many things that can go wrong so many things that will be difficult to do especially with such a large community that is been on this forum

 

 

They've made their decision and nothing will change it. 

 

We are the crazy freaks that BioWare doesn't like very much.  They favor their Twitter, Facebook, and Tumblr fans much more.  But that is OK. 

 

We are fabulous and we will endure.   Pick a lifeboat and hop on board.

[Nefla]

Really? I was on break from the forums before DA:I, I never heard about that.

 

Well, since they're so keen on us using twitter... You did a lot better than me (partly because it was the DA team if I had to guess) - I tweeted some of the higher-ups on ME:A and asked whether the female protagonist would be shown equally in promotional material. Ignored. Clearly, I was being toxic or something. Asking questions like that, to a progressive developer? Preposterous. I wasn't actively praising them, so obviously I deserved to be ignored (not to mention I wasn't actively bashing them, either, just asking a neutral question).

 

I feel a bit like I did when I watched this a year ago.

The gang's all here, and we'll fight together, one last time.

 

It's that last part, of course, that gets me

Yeah, in the months leading up to DA:I being released there was a thread about the female inquisitor and whether she would be in the promotional materials or if it would be all the same focus test white guy with short dark hair and stubble/beard that you see in everything including DA:O, DA2, and ME and it kind of morphed into a thread about female gamers and the representation of women in video games, etc...good times! Well Allan Schumacher had been talking to us in that thread and said he would take our request to the higher ups and he did and so we got a female inquisitor trailer as well as a female inquisitor used in some of the demos and gameplay footage we were happy and sent cupcakes. http://www.escapistm...male-Inquisitor

 

I wonder what Bioware is thinking right about now looking at all these postings on this topic

They're not looking at these posts, they haven't ventured here in a long time.

[voteDC]

Seeing several of the posts on the last couple of pages, I can understand why so many people (including Bioware employees) don't like to be here.

There's way too much focus on discussing other people, instead of on discussing the games.

It's just a pity that, with the closing of the forums, they not only eliminate that option here, but they also end any and all options for the real game-related discussions on this forum (of which there are still plenty).

I wasn't going to take the warning point but I wanted to in order to reply, as it is relevant to me.

Most people on this forum have obeyed the rules, been polite and respectful, yet there is very much a case now of "what is the ModSquad going to do to me now if I break the rules, ban me from the forum which closing?"

This has caused people to realise that they can say what they like to the people they dislike. Chances are most people who frequent here are never going to meet again, so what is it going to hurt to finally speak your mind.

It was very cathartic for me to finally be able to tell 'angol fear' what I thought about him.

[clone wars]

We shouldn't give up people power is much stronger we have the ability to show what we are capable of we can do anything if we put our minds to it

[sandalisthemaker]

We shouldn't give up people power is much stronger we have the ability to show what we are capable of we can do anything if we put our minds to it

 

People here have tried.  I've seen it.  It hasn't worked. 

[Solas]

We shouldn't give up people power is much stronger we have the ability to show what we are capable of we can do anything if we put our minds to it

have you been on the elfroot today bruh

[LliiraAnna]

I have no idea when the forum will actually be closed, and I'm in a different time zone to boot... soo!

 

BioWare! You may close this forum, but I hope that in time you'll reconsider and either re-open it or create a new one! This is your community, like it or not! Communication is important and solves problems better than making things go kaboom! You said players are important - so heed your own words and listen to them, work with them, find a solution!

 

Here. All said, time to move on.

[JamieCOTC]

[ygrek30]

What a pity

 

Last post here, see you in hell BioWare

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

have you been on the elfroot today bruh

I keep trying to like posts and forgetting that I used them all up. Curse this forum closure!