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[Amirit]

No, this was not a monetary decision. It also was not an easy one for us to make.

 

We understand that there are people who use and love these boards. And like them, we are sad to see them go. However, many of our players and staff now use other sites and networks outside of these boards, and we want to foster these interactions and support the great fan communities our players have built.

 

As always, we are committed to our players, and will continue to seek out and solicit their feedback. All of you are why we make games and what we love about gaming. This is the end of an era, but we will always, always listen to our players.

 

You mean, the decision to shut up the place where thousands of BW fans interacted on a regular basis and accumulated tons of information is a much more logical decision then appointing 1 (one) community manager that can communicate with said thousands on behalf of BW? And that you prefer BW developers to go anywhere but here?

 

Sorry, I do not buy it.

[Kantr]

How about we don't go about attacking people and contributing to the perception that these forums are toxic. :L

[wildannie]

What I'm taking from this is that they don't want to be hosting a forum which contains a lot of criticism of their games. I'm pretty sure this is the reason they're being closed, and that they are planning to delete them completely supports this.  

They're hardly likely to admit that this is the reason though.  

 

not happy 

[Lazarillo]

But you're eliminating one of those avenues of player feedback, scattering these fans around the internet. And yes, there WILL be some, like myself, who won't be offering any feedback because I don't bother with most of that social media stuff. The BSN was a home for me in the DA community, and now I will have none.
 
Also, it's clear that this forum has existed for the past couple of years with very minimal developer response, yet people still continue to come here and post. The vast majority are fans wanting to discuss these franchises with other fans, regardless of the developer presence. Clearly that discussion was valued and important to these fans, above and beyond whatever input a developer may offer. Many topics aren't even something that needed developer input.

Neither of these things are what they want, though. Keep in mind, like others have said, this isn't "Conal Pierce" who is making this decision. This is "Bioware".
On the first point, Bioware as an entity doesn't have a use for individual feedback. It has thousands, possibly millions of people, who are fans and have an interest in its games. There will never be a way for it to get feedback by reading what all the various individuals have to say. It needs things like consumer metrics and focused marketing input. And when I say things like that, I probably sound like I'm being sarcastic, but I'm trying not to be. It's just that that's how the world works when you have one entity on one side, and millions of them on the other. There's no other way to communicate.

The point that's being made, though, is that that's not the purpose of these forums. The forums no longer serve the purpose of "allow one corporate entity to speak with a large number of individuals and vice versa", so the fans' ability to communicate is basically a non-issue.

This isn't to say that I'm happy with those points. I've enjoyed the couple years I've spent on these forums and am sad to see them go, too. But looking for "human" answers isn't going to get us anywhere, because we're not dealing with "a human". And again, I don't mean that in a way that's intended to be demeaning to Bioware's staff. But Bioware's staff are not Bioware.

[felipejiraya]

Damn.

[Jock Cranley]

How about we don't go about attacking people and contributing to the perception that these forums are toxic. :L

 

BSN was a mess since the release of DA2. 

 

A mess you love is still a mess.  It was never an efficient info inlet/outlet, and there was WAAY too much utter weirdness and extremism. 

[nightscrawl]

Not just "one of those avenues"  But for many people it's the only viable avenue they have.

 

Because contrary to the modern stereotype, not everyone is plugged in to a bunch of social media outlets.  I for one don't use Twitter, Reddit, Tumblr, and barely use Facebook.  And I'm certainly not wealthy enough to go flying out to various cons.  I am not unique in this.  It doesn't sound like Bioware is trying to make it easier to gather feedback, more like they're trying to gather the right kinds of feedback.

 

If the forum has become only one of several avenues to get feedback, and is one that is being neglect, then how does kicking it to the curb completely "doing right" by us?

 

Hey, I don't use those, either. The only one I use is Tumblr, and even then I greatly limit the people I follow and the things I post on because I want to avoid as much of the Tumblr toxicity as possible; I only use it for fun things and also DA modding.

 

I wrote "one of those avenues" because several people in this very thread have pointed out that many BSN users are also users of those other platforms. How accurate that statement is, beyond the person making it, is anybody's guess, but they are out there. I do tend to make such statements as neutral, or inclusive as possible.

[TobiTobsen]

As one of the Dev's that have more or less moved off of here, I am still sad. 

 

I recognize some names but see new ones as well, I wish you all well.

 

AFAIK you also posted in the topic regarding the closing of the Off Topic, didn't you?

Where you walk, forums die. Are you sure that you're not actually called Stormcrow or Láthspell? The Harbinger of the Forum End Times?

 

[lynroy]

Well, I won't be able to enjoy these games as much as I once did, because I will have no place where I can discuss the games in depth with other fans.

This is a wrong decision. If you care about your fans and respect them then do not close the forum.

I wholeheartedly agree. The in depth lore and different perspectives about characters I love and hate that I encountered here have enhanced my love for ME and DA. I came to these forums to talk about the games with other people.

I can't help but feel that Bioware is turning their back on a large portion of their fan base right here by doing this.

[BioFan (Official)]

The community team is reading the posts on the thread. Your voices are being heard here. We're not sure what will come of them being heard. Maybe nothing will come of it. Maybe something will, but use your voices wisely. Communicate your feelings, communicate your thoughts, your woes, your sorrow, your confusion. Just communicate it respectfully and constructively. That is how it will be MUCH more likely heard. 

[malloc]

.... let me get this straight.

 

You want to create a better communication process by eliminating interaction with a large number of your consumers? Why not simultaneously improve your process against the other social networks while maintaining this one? BSN already has a framework of communication and wouldn't need a large supervision. 

 

This kinda makes no sense.

[London]

What I'm taking from this is that they don't want to be hosting a forum which contains a lot of criticism of their games. I'm pretty sure this is the reason they're being closed, and that they are planning to delete them completely supports this.
They're hardly likely to admit that this is the reason though.

not happy

Which is a real shame as those of us who love the games and enjoy discussing them are the ones who suffer.

The most non-constructive posters typically come in and cause problems and then get bored and move on to something else to complain about. Those of us here are for a reason, and it's not to wait for things to criticize or to lie in wait to ruin MEAs sales figures. Besides, you can do that more effectively on general gaming forums where undecided purchasers lurk- not on the home turf of the fans.

[SnakeCode]

What I'm taking from this is that they don't want to be hosting a forum which contains a lot of criticism of their games. I'm pretty sure this is the reason they're being closed, and that they are planning to delete them completely supports this.  

They're hardly likely to admit that this is the reason though.  

 

not happy 

 

Like I said earlier, so much simpler to direct people to the dark places of the internet like Tumblr, where criticism can be ignored. Or to Twitter, where dissenters can be promptly blocked. Why listen to criticism when you can just stick your fingers in your ears and scream"LA LA LA LA LAHHHHH"! at the top of your lungs?

[zMataxa]

I suppose from BioWare's perspective only, "this isn't serving its purpose to us anymore" is a decent enough reason to close it.

That does imply you see no value in the community existing just for the sake of it even without your input, and that it's not worth the maintenance cost, and that you still collectively somewhat begrudge how sour the place has gotten hence the original dev flight from this place years ago, which caused it to no longer serve its purpose to you.

But ultimately yeah, it's your prerogative dog.

 

If this in fact the truth roughly speaking, I think they are hugely failing to recognize the unique nature of BSN and all the various personality groups that make up this group, and indeed their fan base that buy their games.

This is a decision that should be revisited one more time based on fan feedback.

Bioware's fanbase wants to be accounted for as well in this decision.

This really feels like a disservice to Bioware player-base.

[byne]

What I'm taking from this is that they don't want to be hosting a forum which contains a lot of criticism of their games. I'm pretty sure this is the reason they're being closed, and that they are planning to delete them completely supports this.  

They're hardly likely to admit that this is the reason though.  

 

not happy 

 

Man, they should take a look at the WoW forums and grow thicker skin.

[thedancingdruid]

Conal, I do not think it is just me, when I say this...I do not come here to see or reach YOU...I come here to see and reach US. There is a big difference.

Shutting the forums down then, with that in mind, seems pointless and insulting.

You are most definitely not the reason I am here...THEY are...my fellow fans. The people who actually play the games and want to discuss them. Like I said before some of us are still discussing Loghain, Meredith, Anders, Solas, etc.

I am still in the worlds, you have long since moved on from.

[Mir Aven]

I can understand Bioware wanting to close down the forums. Years ago when I joined it used to be a fun place, now it's full of whining and trolling. But the reason they give for doing this is plain bullshit.
I used to like Bioware but after I seeing what became of their latest games (ME3 and DAI). After listening over and over to their copy paste "flowery" staitments  about caring about their fans when it's apparent that it's not the case, leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

[Rifneno]

What I'm taking from this is that they don't want to be hosting a forum which contains a lot of criticism of their games. I'm pretty sure this is the reason they're being closed, and that they are planning to delete them completely supports this.  

They're hardly likely to admit that this is the reason though.  

 

not happy 

I think this is the most likely reason.  Especially given that ME:A is likely to be the E.T. Game of our generation, I think they want to nip it now rather than have to deal with it after ME:A.  After all, no one can complain that they're ignoring the backlash here if there IS no here.  And that was one of their major criticisms in the ME3 debacle.  That and the lying.  Speaking of the lies, anyone else remember the first week after ME3 launch when they promised they'd answer all our questions in detail "once everyone has had a chance to play the game"?  

[ruggly]

This also feels appropriate. Though I mostly lurked at first, I definitely met some great people on these forums, a bit sad to see it go.

 

[Jock Cranley]

I met some people I truly admire as well, but I do have alternate means to contact most of them. 

[malloc]

This also feels appropriate. Though I mostly lurked at first, I definitely met some great people on these forums, a bit sad to see it go.
 
https://www.youtube....h?v=07D1baJlCPg

We will miss you tali sweat guy, David, sevial and auld wulf

[ruggly]

We will miss you tali sweat guy, David, sevial and auld wulf

 

Mouthbreathers.

[hotdogbsg]

I still can't see the logical reason for closing this place.

 

Maybe I'm not thinking outside the box enough but I can't imagine a better place for a game developer to get feedback and interact with its community outside of a forum dedicated especially to that developer. Literally it is the only thing this forum does, there isn't even an off-topic section. All discussion is related to BW products but somehow it is easier to go to third party sites and social media and interact with fans who are scattered all over the internet?

 

It just doesn't add up.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

This sucks.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

As one of the Dev's that have more or less moved off of here, I am still sad. 
 
I recognize some names but see new ones as well, I wish you all well.

I'll miss you too BroJo. Don't be a stranger if you ever come across a place where Andromeda MP is being discussed