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[Isaidlunch]

What on earth? What kind of gaming company shuts down their official forums? lmao

[ratzerman]

I'm honestly a little insulted that the mods would suggest we use EA technical support and Answers HQ.

They must know as well as we do how useless they are. BY FAR the best way to find workarounds for bugs has always been here, and that's going all the way back to the old Bioboard days.

Yes, I'm that old.

[PCThug]

 

What I will miss most funny enough is this thread:

 

https://forum.biowar...hots-go-to-die/

 

I went through 4 deaths a year ago and was a mess and I found this thread and it helped me laugh again. Best pics ever!

 

 

 

I didn't find it that bad lol I actually liked to take the bad and make it positive but what mattered to me was the feedback was real and not marketed and not everyone was negative. 

 

Also want to pour one out for the Ugly Inquisitor's thread. Because that had me shaking with laughter, tears pouring down my face. And 90% of that was the commentary people added to their pictures.

[Mlady]

There's a variety of angles that it can come from.

 

Post release, as someone that works in QA, seeing the issues that I cannot help resolve weighs on me because part of me feels I've let people down.  (not the fan's fault, but is something that weighs on the mind for sure).

 

As someone that tried to be active in community building, it also meant not ignoring obvious transgressions.  I remember when the Cullen thread received dozens of pages of porn image links spammed into it, and I felt I couldn't ignore it and went through cleaning up the thread and banning those responsible and investigating alt accounts and the like.  I could have ignored it, but that probably would have been more mentally worse for me.  I think I went to bed around 4 AM that day.  I could have just closed/deleted the thread, but that was what the trolls wanted so I didn't want to just take the easy road out.

And maybe I need tougher skin?  I'm probably not the best judge of that.  I don't think I had soft skin, just more that my armor wasn't impregnable and for better or worse me posting somewhere was a lightning rod for people to derail threads to get my attention and vent their frustrations at me.  So in that sense given enough time it just became, if not "stressful" then certainly much less fun.

 

I was a mod at a very famous anime board run by the translator. I know exactly what you went through especially with porn spam and breaking the news to fans about things they did not want to hear regarding fav pairings, etc... and I quit and had a breakdown.

[Fexelea]

There's a variety of angles that it can come from.
 
Post release, as someone that works in QA, seeing the issues that I cannot help resolve weighs on me because part of me feels I've let people down.  (not the fan's fault, but is something that weighs on the mind for sure).
 
As someone that tried to be active in community building, it also meant not ignoring obvious transgressions.  I remember when the Cullen thread received dozens of pages of porn image links spammed into it, and I felt I couldn't ignore it and went through cleaning up the thread and banning those responsible and investigating alt accounts and the like.  I could have ignored it, but that probably would have been more mentally worse for me.  I think I went to bed around 4 AM that day.  I could have just closed/deleted the thread, but that was what the trolls wanted so I didn't want to just take the easy road out.
And maybe I need tougher skin?  I'm probably not the best judge of that.  I don't think I had soft skin, just more that my armor wasn't impregnable and for better or worse me posting somewhere was a lightning rod for people to derail threads to get my attention and vent their frustrations at me.  So in that sense given enough time it just became, if not "stressful" then certainly much less fun.

Moderating forums is challenging,t here is no doubt of that. It can also be stressful, and dealing with trolls painful. These forums used to be moderated by volunteer fans, and something like that could happen too.

I wish bioware had asked us for help rather than decided to close this

[Cainhurst Crow]

So after all of this, what have we learned fellow fans?

 

Simple. Bioware intentionally let this place go to **** via unproductive and alienating mod and admin teams, completely inappropriate handling of multiple boards such as the off topic and group sections, and an utter refusal to incorporate any sort of feedback system for the fourms, or any dialouge between us and any human being who wasn't just temping a numbered account anonymously.

 

Why? Simple. They didn't need us. They don't need people who would go out of their way to come here, to post about their games and comics and properties. Not when they had twitter and reddit to feed them endless praise, and with tools to easily block out dissent to create a complete insulated enviroment free of criticism.

 

After all, bioware doesn't need to answer if the layout in a reddit page or tumblr post is bad. Nor do they have to answer for anyone badmouthing the fans and banning people left and right on such sites. Additionally, places like twitter don't require you to give any reason to block and mute dissenting opinions with extreme ease. Nobodies gonna make a post about why you banned someone via twitter, and you never have to see it. A win, win, for a company who doesn't want to hear anything but positives, and nothing about negatives.

 

They had a social media platform they intentionally crashed into the ground in favor of ones that offered them more filtering ability and less feedback options.

 

In other words, they attained a George Lucas level of circlejerking and pandering, making entire films in nothing but massive soundstages and tons of monitors, where they could just drink their coffee, sit and watch their monitors, and hear everyone tell them how awesome and visonary they still are.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What on earth? What kind of gaming company shuts down their official forums? lmao

The dumb kind. 

[Iakus]

... and it'll bore me to hell.

It will be....Serenity... 

[Mlady]

Also want to pour one out for the Ugly Inquisitor's thread. Because that had me shaking with laughter, tears pouring down my face. And 90% of that was the commentary people added to their pictures.

 

Oh yeah the comments made it even better 

[AlanC9]

They gave up on a portion of the fanbase.  Doesn't matter how much it quantifies.

It does make a difference if you want to talk sensibly about how and why the decision was made.

[o Ventus]

We keep hurting their poor little feelings!  Can't you see we're causing these employees to get stressed out and go to therapists?  Don't you see WE'RE the problem, not Bioware?   END OF LINE

 

The really sad part is "saw mean comments online, went to therapy for it" is exactly in-line with a couple of BW employees I've interacted with.

[Gannayev of Dreams]

*snip*

 

Seems like in instances of actual moderation needing to be done, it should be with those generic "BioMod01" type accounts. That way people can't get mad at an actual name.

[Allan Schumacher]

If you thought this place was fatiguing, good luck with social media. 

 

I actually still engage on places like Twitter.  I actually find it easier to have conversations in some capacity due to Twitter's nature of not showing posts unless you follow the person and at least one of the people tagged in the message.  So it's unlikely a random person will interject to derail something.

 

That said I also like Twitter because it's a bit easier to talk with people as friends rather than explicitly as dev-fan.  Sometimes that latter relationship is fine and even desired, but sometimes I don't want to be talking with any sort of symbol of authority and whatnot.

 

I also felt it easier to mute/block because, as the forums are a BioWare thing, I felt a stronger degree of responsibility and that I shouldn't make anyone's posts invisible to me lest they be doing Terribad™ things on the forum.

[coldsteelblue]

Sad, really sad right now, ok, so the devs don't post here anymore, but as fans of Bioware we have built up our own community...even if it gets a little tetchy at times.

 

I don't spend too much time online, logging onto multiple profiles & sites & the BSN has been my go-to place for 5 years now & I really believe closing it down is not the best of ideas around, would it really be too much of a hassle to keep the site open, even without dev feedback? We still have things like the twitter thread for example.

 

Ok, I've said my piece, I'm off to bed

 

I'll still be logging on until they turn the lights off.

 

Catch you later guys & gals!

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Aight so... where are we supposed to talk, now?

I don't mean to the devs. I mean to each other. You know, fan discourse? Speculation and squealing? Honestly.

There are a couple of options. I know https://realdragonagefans.forums.net/ has been brought up. As well as talk of creating BSN 2.0 on a forum setup such as proboards. There's a thread for that here: https://forum.bioware.com/topic/574964-bioware-3rd-party-communityforums/page-3

[Iakus]

I'm honestly a little insulted that the mods would suggest we use EA technical support and Answers HQ.

They must know as well as we do how useless they are. BY FAR the best way to find workarounds for bugs has always been here, and that's going all the way back to the old Bioboard days.

Yes, I'm that old.

Don' t they just refer us to this forum anyway?

[o Ventus]

It will be....Serenity... 

 

Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me....

 

 

Am I doing it right?

[vertigomez]

Wait...do we all cry into your booze...? We are gonna need a bigger cup...

I've got enough booze for the entire BSN. You know, since there won't be one anymore.

GoFundMe for the server costs of a new forum, perhaps? I'm sure plenty would be willing to pay to keep a central location for Bioware discussion afloat.

I'm absolutely on board. I'd donate every month to make something like that happen. Maybe we can even get this place archived instead of nuked?

[Nefla]

There's a variety of angles that it can come from.

 

Post release, as someone that works in QA, seeing the issues that I cannot help resolve weighs on me because part of me feels I've let people down.  (not the fan's fault, but is something that weighs on the mind for sure).

 

As someone that tried to be active in community building, it also meant not ignoring obvious transgressions.  I remember when the Cullen thread received dozens of pages of porn image links spammed into it, and I felt I couldn't ignore it and went through cleaning up the thread and banning those responsible and investigating alt accounts and the like.  I could have ignored it, but that probably would have been more mentally worse for me.  I think I went to bed around 4 AM that day.  I could have just closed/deleted the thread, but that was what the trolls wanted so I didn't want to just take the easy road out.

And maybe I need tougher skin?  I'm probably not the best judge of that.  I don't think I had soft skin, just more that my armor wasn't impregnable and for better or worse me posting somewhere was a lightning rod for people to derail threads to get my attention and vent their frustrations at me.  So in that sense given enough time it just became, if not "stressful" then certainly much less fun.

I don't know if you know me, but I've always had the utmost respect for you and the effort you put in for us here. I'm glad you're with us for the end

[Mikael_Sebastia]

This is the first Bioware decision I find to be totally unjustifiable, no matter how I look at it. I don't have much to add to this discussion, which wouldn't been said already, but man, I am bummed out . I wish that I would've participated on this forum a lot more than I did.

 

I can understand and empathize why devs themselves might not want to participate in here, but closing this long-lasting, well-established and unique fan subculture just like that and without any justifiable or understandable reason is ....  well, this decision will come back and bite Bioware on the ass, as it is a lot harder and more painstaking to create something than destroy it.

 

This pretty much confirms my late suspicion that Bioware is at its sunset, as a likeable and respectable company which can produce worthwhile and memorable content.

[thedancingdruid]

My iPad is at 8%. It has been a long day and the sun is literally setting here. I think I will engage in the Battle for Odessen on Tuesday, then, I just don't know. Hawke was rescuing Karl when I got the news. I suppose there is always the possibility of a demon hunter on the 9th...

[Drone223]

Closing down BSN is counterproductive to improving future games as well as upcoming titles. Your not putting much confidence in your games by reducing the means of giving effective feedback.

[Masque]

No talking, just crying into my booze.


Same. I'm sorry, but you can't have a decent discussion about the lore or what other fans think on twitter or tumblr or reddit. They're not designed that way. They're designed for brief remarks, upvoted comments getting more attention regardless of content, and - for the most part - one on one discussions. There's no GROUP atmosphere. What's the solution? There is NOWHERE like the BSN for fans to gather in one place to discuss DA.

Why can't you just rebrand the forums and bump them off to someone else? Please, please, please?

 

Agreed.

 

One of my favorite things about this forum is the in depth discussion of game related lore - people will pick apart every bit of dialogue, every codex, every detail in any given scene and the conversation just takes on a life of it's own. Pages and pages of people dissecting the games with their tinfoil hats securely strapped on, happily theory crafting their little hearts out. Tumblr, Twitter, Youtube and Reddit just aren't constructed for that type of discussion. 

 

And out of curiosity I just took a glance at r/dragonage and it appears they're not too thrilled with the possible influx of people making the move from here to there. The mods have their banhammers poised and the users act like they are preparing for war. It's not exactly giving off that 'warm welcome' vibe. 

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Several of the closings over the years only fanned the flames here. First it was the tech support forums. Then the character forums. Then the devs mostly abandoned the place. Then the likable "named" (and I think non-paid) mods with personalities got replaced with ModBots. It's not all the players' fault.

[CHRrOME]

What trolls? Give me names. Show me posts. Point them to me.

 

Heh, I for one only remember one (and by remember I mean barely), but then again I'm not that active around these parts.

Recently this dude will just create day after day posts about how ME:A shouldn't follow Witcher 3 and sh*t, because that game was misogynist this and sexist that. It was fun actually.

People tried to figure whose side account that was, but I think no one could.