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[LinksOcarina]

The Bethesda forums are thriving, so are CDRP's. I don't get this decision at all. An avenue where thousands of fans post about your games, both positive and negative feedback can be nothing but good. Still they decided to axe us, and it really sucks.

I dont know if thriving is the word for Bethesda at least...

 

CDPR I have never signed up for, viewed it though once or twice at least, cant say either way.

 

This does really suck though. I have a feeling its something thats been mandated this time...which sucks too.

[Remki]

Rather than Destroy the forum, couldn't they Control it instead?  Or increase its integration with social media in some kind of Synthesis?

 

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this D:

[Kroitz]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this D:

 

A solid mental breakdown includes both.

 

Spoiler

[Kali073]

The thing is, I didn't come here for the dev interaction - I came for the easy to navigate fan interaction plus the twitter threads. Just because they no longer view this as their primary interaction with fans doesn't mean they have to remove it altogether. I know things can be toxic here at times but there are so many posters that aren't toxic that make up for it.

 

The alternatives they suggested just won't be a good replacement for this forum.

 

I've been a member since 2011, and lurker before that, and I know I don't have many posts but I came here pretty often to read discussions between fans, to find solutions when my games bugged out or had problems (and no, EA's tech support is not an alternative, it's unbelievably bad), and to find new information about upcoming games (if nothing else, BSN can be counted on the dig up every little bit of information there is).

 

I just don't understand this move...

[Remki]

I just don't understand this move...

 

Nobody else does either, sadly.

[Dio Demon]

Also to BroJo, Allan, and Jesse and I'm most likely forgetting a lot of devs (I'm hungry and dinner is cooking, recalling things is not my strong point right now. You guys did a pretty good job trying to interact with the fans here, it's sad that the place was driving up the metaphorical and possibly literal wall. So yeah, thanks.

 

Someone should ask Jesse to remove the censors 

[Le Pointy Finger Man]

smrt všem bioware

[LinksOcarina]

The benefit of a forum is it's accessible to less socially engaged segments of your market. We don't all have big online social networks.

BSN (and its predecessor, the BioBoards) have been my primary (and often only) social network since 2001.

I have no idea where I'm going to get news or argue design with people now.

Also, someone needs to archive all the DAO mods from the project section of old BSN.

 

You and me both, brother. The intellectual sparring was always a fun past-time.

[DanishViking]

i hope mass effect 4 fails 

 

closing down the only place were fans can really gather for something they really love

 

they want to get feedback and stay in touch with us and yet they close down the only huge mass effect forum

 

where is the logic in that ?

 

[mmoblitz]

Not everyone uses social media.  I don't use any of it except Facebook and I only use that if I absolutely have to.  I mainly have it to keep track of who my kids are interacting with.  I don't get this at all.  There has to be something more to this than they are telling us.

 

I will admit that I haven't been very happy with any of Bioware releases as of late and I was on the fence about ME: Andromeda, but this move just made up my mind.  RIP Bioware.  I'm done with you and pretty much any studio that falls under the EA umbrella.  This move is going to come back and bite them in the end.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

I appreciate you, wannabe check 'em guy

[maia0407]

I don't wish failure on Bioware games as they are still my faves. I hope all the it IPs succeed. I'm going to miss coming here but I'll find a new home eventually.

[Dalyaria]

 

For context, if someone comes up to me on twitter and says that I should be aborted as a fetus so that competent QA would have been available to work on the game, I consider that unproductive and I am not interested in facilitating a discussion with that person.  On a place like twitter, I can happily block and move on.  On the forum, however, blocking people that were rude wasn't a thing.  I could (and would) moderate them, but unless it was a permanent ban they'd eventually return. If I had them muted/blocked then I'd be unable to see if they were being bad on the forum.

 

The absolute normal thing in cases like this would be to ban the offender for 6 months, effective immediately, and next time permaban them. Not shut down the entire forum.

 

Your problem is not the forums. It's the lack of normal forum moderation.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

The absolute normal thing in cases like this would be to ban the offender for 6 months, effective immediately, and next time permaban them. Not shut down the entire forum.

I would argue that no matter how off-color or in poor taste a statement is, 6 months is way too long without an extensive prior history.

Hell, if a policy similar to this were in place here, there wouldn't be anyone fun left to talk to.

[BadgerladDK]

Dude, really?

 

And yet you had to quote it and make everyone scroll past it twice...

[Remki]

Dude, really?

 

Says the person who quoted the whole thing again *facepalms*

 

I don't wish failure on Bioware games as they are still my faves. I hope all the it IPs succeed. I'm going to miss coming here but I'll find a new home eventually.

 

Same. The failure of the company doesn't change my personal feelings about the games for good or bad, tbh. But it does change how I'll interact with the company in the future, and how/if I'll spend my money on them. I hope all the best for Andromeda, but outside of buying the game I don't think I'll be spending any more money on Bioware now. It's too bad, there's some cool stuff in the official shop that I've got on my to-buy list, but I'd rather save the money and spend it on a company/game dev team that cares more about its community.

[Felya87]

Exactly my point !

When was the last time I saw them in France ? Never.

Poor excuses BW !

I feel your pain.

 

Yes. The "we are comunicating with fans at conventions" is ridicolous. People at conventions don't have chances to ask about a bad received feature, not about how can be made something better. Is just a way to meet with the devs, and have a photo. And is reduced to people who live only in certain places.

I doubt I will ever see BioWare's devs at Lucca comics and games, or in any other place I could have the chance to go to. Even less I'll have the chance to give my feedback, or having answers.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Can't really say I'm surprised, after Bioware's response to any problems with the last-gen version of DAI was "Pipe down and stay in your corner so we can completely ignore you".

[prinsesbubblegum]

Bioware, are you crazy? What the...

 

[Domakir]

Same. The failure of the company doesn't change my personal feelings about the games for good or bad, tbh. But it does change how I'll interact with the company in the future, and how/if I'll spend my money on them. I hope all the best for Andromeda, but outside of buying the game I don't think I'll be spending any more money on Bioware now. It's too bad, there's some cool stuff in the official shop that I've got on my to-buy list, but I'd rather save the money and spend it on a company/game dev team that cares more about its community.

That's how I feel now. I don't know if I can trust Bioware anymore though I wish their games sell well

[BadgerladDK]

Our developers are not spokespeople, and for those that choose to interact with fans (which a great many do) we want them to be able to do so in a way that makes sense for them. For some, they like meeting people face to face. For others it's Twitter, or NeoGaf, or Twitch, or any number of other sites.

 

We respect the rights of both our developers and our fans to use social spaces in ways that are right for them.

 

While once our forums were the sole direct line we had to our players, that has become increasingly untrue over the years. And as these conversations moved elsewhere, it was an increasing disservice to those who came here to reach us.

 

It's never easy or simple to collect feedback from our players, which is why we go to great lengths to do it. We have teams of people like me who actively scour the web looking for what people are saying. Through many, many different avenues we gain an appreciation for what our players are saying as a whole, as well as what different groups and individuals are saying.

 

This may not always be publicly visible, but it is something that we actively work on behind the scenes.

 

Bolded part is what you're getting spectacularly wrong in this decision. People don't expect to have long, in-depth conversations with the developers in a forum. They expect to find a community with shared interests, people to discuss the games with and to meet new people to play them with. For example, I don't play many multiplayer games, so I started ME3 MP with a blank friend list in Origin as most of my offline friends aren't gamers. So these forums would be where I'd meet people who shared simmilar playstyles to me, whom I'd then add. The same was true for DA:I.

 

Others bonded over a mutual love for a character, faction or long discussions about lore. They formed communities within a larger whole, and that's what you're tearing down. Not a way to let the developers know I'd like a full auto Mattock in the next game.

[Le Pointy Finger Man]

And yet you had to quote it and make everyone scroll past it twice...

 
 

Says the person who quoted the whole thing again *facepalms*

le ebin trole xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[Masque]

The absolute normal thing in cases like this would be to ban the offender for 6 months, effective immediately, and next time permaban them. Not shut down the entire forum.

 

Your problem is not the forums. It's the lack of normal forum moderation.

 

^This.

 

As I said in a previous post, I've yet to find a game related forum that doesn't suffer from some level of toxicity. You can't expect to have a large group of people who are passionate about something, and gamers are exceptionally passionate about the games they play, to come together and get along all the time. There are always going to be trolls and people who have no other interest in the forum than to spread vitriol and discourse. 

 

The level of toxicity depends entirely on clear and consistent forum moderation - which is indeed lacking here. It feels as though a few bad apples have effectively spoiled the bushel and everyone is being punished for it. 

[Ardent Blossom]

I'm curious about the "toxicity" that's being discussed so much. Did something really nasty happen on the forum recently that I missed? Were people threatening devs or something?  The most "toxic" things I ever experienced here were a heated exchanges over if the Inquisitor should return in DA4...which wasn't really that bad and ended in apologies and better understanding anyway.

 

You'd think if BioWare wanted to "punish" the community for being "toxic" it would have been when people started complaining about the ME3 ending or straight male Inquisitors not having enough romance options. What new things could we possibly have been complaining about in a "toxic" manner? I've always read about how "toxic"  tumblr and reddit are, not BSN. Now people on this thread inform me that WE are well known online as being "toxic" people and are unwanted on other forums?! I've always thought BioWare fans were awesome people.

 

Maybe I've just always frequented the tame threads.

[LinksOcarina]

I'm curious about the "toxicity" that's being discussed so much. Did something really nasty happen on the forum recently that I missed? Were people threatening devs or something?  The most "toxic" things I ever experienced here were a heated exchanges over if the Inquisitor should return in DA4...which wasn't really that bad and ended in apologies and better understanding anyway.

 

 

 

Mass Effect 3s ending comes to mind...