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[Rifneno]

I would agree, but David Gaider was replaced as lead DA writer by Patrick Weekes, who in my opinion is even worse. The future is not bright for BioWare.

I disagree wholeheartedly. DA2 is basically an entire game that's nothing but the ending to ME3. So many core parts of the story make no sense. The entire game revolves around Kirkwall being the house from Poltergeist. But no one, even foreigners, notice anything's out of the ordinary. If not for the Band of Three codex we wouldn't even know. Helen Keller would notice what's up with Kirkwall, but no one does because that'd break the terrible story. I could write an essay on DA2, but that's the biggest flaw there and more development time wouldn't have fixed it.

My biggest problem with Gaider's writing is the constant retcons. Everything has to be a grand moral dilemma. EVERYTHING. Corn flakes or waffles for breakfast? If you eat the cereal, then 5 children get kidnapped by a pedo but if you take the waffles then food storage will burn down and dozens of refugees will starve to death. This might be okay, except when he finds out that something isn't a grand moral dilemma, then he starts the retconning. Notice how in the base game, Loghain was just evil? Flemeth all but confirmed he did it as a power grab. And Morrigan would've gotten a sexual thrill out of being able to rub it in Alistair's face if there was any chance that Loghain's actions had any merit. But she didn't because she knew he did what he did solely for himself (and possibly Anora). So, everyone sides against him. Gaider is shocked that people don't like the regicide who sold his own people into slavery while murdering and torturing innocent people. So along comes the DLC and suddenly Loghain was right all along! Cailan was going to get himself and his army killed for the lulz, then he was planning to sell Ferelden out to Orlais. One wonders how he plans to do that since he's gonna be dead, but shut up we're retconning here. The DLC even opens with the king's servant telling the party about it and how Cailan knew they'd all die but did it anyway. Even Alistair doesn't protest. Yeah, that seems about right.

DA2 is basically a petulant response to everyone saving the mages in DAO. I mean sure, even pro-templar folks usually save them in DAO because it's just the best option. And in order to refuse to save them, you have to select dialogue with Wynne basically saying "I understand this means butchering helpless, terrified children and that sounds awesome!" Such a shock that people didn't take that route much!

[Yuoaman]

Jeez, the longer I spend in this thread the more I remember why I never stuck around long after a new game release.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I guess Bioware should have thought of that before they called us names and mocked us. I can think of at least 4 consecutive years of them doing that, from 2012 to 2016.

Personally, 2010 was the best year I spent on these forums. Things started going south shortly after DA2's release early 2011, and then the ME3 ending debacle early 2012. Following the subsequent site migration, nothing has been quite the same since anymore.

[Reznore57]

I forgot that Gaider left.

 

Ended up at Beamdog, huh?

 

What did he write and was it bad?

 

I think he's creative director right now , and they haven't released anything since the Baldur's Gate extension and Gaider wasn't working on it.I think they're planning on working on some new D&D game.

[neonmoth]

I guess Bioware should have thought of that before they called us names and mocked us. I can think of at least 4 consecutive years of them doing that, from 2012 to 2016.

Okay, I get that, I was here for several mocking sessions, many uncalled for. Many times it was more mindless than malicious (if we think about the same circumstances). But the range of responses available is very broad and letting situation deteriorate is not a good way of showing how hurt you are. But that's just my opinion.

[Rifneno]

And, Weekes gave us Solas! ❤️

It never ceases to amaze me that people love Elf Hitler but everyone hates Anders.

I really hope the next DA game, if there is one, gives us a chance to redeem Solas. I want to kill him because I choose to kill him, not because I have to kill him.

[Gileadan]

I have been gaming since the 80s and I've been on BSN since the early 2000s, when guys like Gromnir Il-Khan were still around. And I've never seen any PR blunder that was bigger and more unreal than this forum exterminatus.

 

I'm sure they have their reasons. Maybe the forums weren't generating enough hype for their franchises. Maybe there was too much criticism. Heck, maybe it was generating too much hype for a franchise that isn't theirs and which I won't name to avoid triggering any bite reflexes. Or maybe they just thought that proper moderation just wasn't worth the required time and effort. Whatever their reasons, I think this is the worst decision they could make. People aren't going to forget this. When this forum disappears into the void, their former fans are not going to disappear with it, and they are not going to remain silent. This will come back and bite them in the rear.

 

What I actually find insulting is the Rise of the Tomb Raider tier explanation they served us. PR speak at its worst. "Yo dawg, I heard you wanted to communicate with your fans..." Come on, people. Don't tell me it's rain.

 

All this feels pretty unreal at the moment. BioWare was once my favorite developer, who made games I enjoyed for hundreds of hours and who had time for their fans. And now they have taken an almost perfect 180 degree turn. Maybe they really lived long enough to see themselves become the villain.

 

Fortunately, I have a huge Steam library and like to play many different genres. Not purchasing any future BioWare titles is not likely to have any noticeable effect on my hobby. I don't need them or their products, not anymore. And I'm convinced that this could have all gone very differently with a bit of dialogue and good will...but pulling the plug is clearly easier. Just like making quests that are mere text popups.

 

See ya, BioWare. Have fun with the Jubelperser brigade.

[o Ventus]

I forgot that Gaider left.

 

Ended up at Beamdog, huh?

 

What did he write and was it bad?

 

He had a hand in the latest expansion for BG2 EE, Siege of Dragonspear. The one that breaks your old saves and forces you to start from the beginning of the entire game (among other bugs that were never fixed) and is made by developers who ban you form their Steam forums for reporting bugs, and retcons a returning party member's personality almost 180 degrees. This is not counting the unfunny GamerGate mentions that definitely won't date the game in any way, or the removal of roleplaying (literally, there's more than 1 conversation where you have 5 dialogue picks, but they all say the same thing and have the same consequences), or the incoherent and idiotic political messages (like Mizhena, the character who's entire story is "I'm trans", in a world where gender is near-meaningless because you can switch gender by wearing a magic belt).

 

Basically, Beamdog is where writers, coders, bug-testers, game devs of all kind go to die.

[Simfam]

This is why the Offtopic was perfect.

 

The Offtopic harbored us until a new game came out.

 

Cos nobody was going to discuss 'X' for the 50th time.

 

But they killed the Offtopic.

 

And that was basically half their damn forum lol.

[Spirit Vanguard]

Where am I gonna write all that, on Twitter?

 

Besides "respectful" is a relative term. Relative to how I'm really feeling. For example, right now I'm feeling pretty disrespectful. There are alot of things I want to say. So, the mighty effort I'm employing to communicate respectfully may still have a little Bite to it.  But compared to what I really want to say, it's pretty darn respectful...trust.

 

...

 

I saw that tweet from Gaider. Then I saw Priestly respond with a "Bye Felicia" and a winky face. Gaider liked the comment. I had to look up the term "Bye Felicia"......and I see now what they actually think about us. All these years, all this time. Yeah" #iPlayBioware " what a laugh they must have gotten from that. People sending them stuff; thank you's and art, and all that.....

 

So be it.

 

 

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Wow.

 

So now I'm feeling disrespected.

 

And I wasn't even around for all the drama.

[o Ventus]

Okay, I get that, I was here for several mocking sessions, many uncalled for. Many times it was more mindless than malicious (if we think about the same circumstances). But the range of responses available is very broad and letting situation deteriorate is not a good way of showing how hurt you are. But that's just my opinion.

 

There is literally nothing else to be done other than let the situation deteriorate. The boards will be read-only on August 26, and gone entirely in October.

[Liamv2]

I forgot that Gaider left.

 

Ended up at Beamdog, huh?

 

What did he write and was it bad?

 

Nothing yet. Though based on Beamdogs last release it's all up from there.

[Liamv2]

He had a hand in the latest expansion for BG2 EE, Siege of Dragonspear. The one that breaks your old saves and forces you to start from the beginning of the entire game (among other bugs that were never fixed) and is made by developers who ban you form their Steam forums for reporting bugs, and retcons a returning party member's personality almost 180 degrees. This is not counting the unfunny GamerGate mentions that definitely won't date the game in any way, or the removal of roleplaying (literally, there's more than 1 conversation where you have 5 dialogue picks, but they all say the same thing), or the incoherent and idiotic political messages (like Mizhena, the character who's entire story is "I'm trans", in a world where gender is near-meaningless because you can switch gender by wearing a magic belt).

 

Basically, Beamdog is where writers, coders, bug-testers, game devs of all kind go to die.

 

David Gaider had no input is SoD I belive. It was entirely whats her name that left.

[Nattfare]

Okay, let's cut on people bashing. I hate the "bye felicia" response but I I equally hate the "butthurt" remarks.

 

Can we call it 'huttburt' instead? At least it sounds more fun than the other one. 

[o Ventus]

David Gaider had no input is SoD I belive. It was entirely whats her name that left.

 

Amber Scott, who is now the single worst writer I have ever experienced, even worse than Mac Walters, somehow. 

[neonmoth]

It never ceases to amaze me that people love Elf Hitler but everyone hates Anders.

I really hope the next DA game, if there is one, gives us a chance to redeem Solas. I want to kill him because I choose to kill him, not because I have to kill him.

Woah, aren't you alovely spirit

 

Holymotherofexaggeratingmuch

 

Can I love them both? And kill them both if need arises? 

[Joxer]

I'd post a song I think is relevant but it'd likely get me banned.

 

Lemme do it instead of you then:

 

[o Ventus]

Nothing yet. Though based on Beamdogs last release it's all up from there.

 

Not even just SoD. BG2 EE since its release has been pretty bad, between bugs from day 1 never being fixed, multiplayer only working when it wants to, and the total inability to buy the original BG2 without also getting the EE in a bundle.

 

You might say that I dislike Beamdog.

[Liamv2]

Amber Scott, who is now the single worst writer I have ever experienced, even worse than Mac Walters, somehow. 

 

Ah yes that's her name.

[maia0407]

It never ceases to amaze me that people love Elf Hitler but everyone hates Anders.I really hope the next DA game, if there is one, gives us a chance to redeem Solas. I want to kill him because I choose to kill him, not because I have to kill him.

Must.Not.Get.Sucked.In.To.Solas.Debate.

Phew, had to delete my long derail of a reply to this! *cries* I'll miss you forums!

[Draining Dragon]

Amber Scott, who is now the single worst writer I have ever experienced, even worse than Mac Walters, somehow.

She was the one who claimed Jaheira was a "sexist" stereotype of a "nagging wife," correct? Someone with that attitude has no business working on a Baldur's Gate expansion.

[Rifneno]

Woah, aren't you alovely spirit
 
Holymotherofexaggeratingmuch

Yeah, major exaggeration, it's not like he's trying to wipe out the human race.

... Oh wait! He IS!

[neonmoth]

There is literally nothing else to be done other than let the situation deteriorate. The boards will be read-only on August 26, and gone entirely in October.

Meh, the boards closing is not enough reason for me to go full douche on devs. I hate the decision but love myself too much to wallow in this misery.

[Rifneno]

She was the one who claimed Jaheira was a "sexist" stereotype of a "nagging wife," correct?

That... may actually be the worst analogy I have ever heard.

[SnakeCode]

Beamdog lol. What a joke.