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[byne]

Well if drama is the reason - ok. But man, this is the internet. Every forum, even FB has issues with drama. People have died on FB. So I don't know.

 

I've read and been apart of some [fun] flame wars on this site. But they are nothing compared to what I've seen on Reddit or 4chan.

 

World of Warcraft's forums have been historically very toxic, even before Blizz released an expansion everyone hated and lost half of their subscribers, and yet Blizz still has all their community forums up, because they arent failures like BioWare.

[SofaJockey]

Guys, we aren't going to talk them out of it no matter what

 

This.

 

In all honesty, I would rather focus on where we go next, to which there are some interesting possibilities developing.

Than post lengthy debate that will be deleted in a few weeks.

[neonmoth]

Anyone remember a poster called Brushyourteeth? I always thought she was awesome.

Indeed she's. I miss her too. She used to hang around old Cullen thread. She reappeared briefly last year (or at least that's when I saw her last).

[Simfam]

I met SomeGeth here.

 

I wonder where he went?

[TevinterSupremacist]

It's silly to you because you are probably a guy. I'm a woman who's had to play countless male PCs before finally having the pleasure of making my own customisable female PC in Dragon Age.

 

Now that gaming companies realized protagonists don't always have to be men, they can easily adapt any story to fit for both male and female PCs.

 

I don't care how wonderful Witcher is. I want a story that respects my choice for playing as a female. Why? For two reasons.

 

1- Because at least half the gamers in the world are women nowadays. And I don't want to play as Standard_Male_Protagonist again.

 

2- Because male and female viewpoints are radically different. You can't derive any satisfaction from the Miranda romance as a hetero female, for example. Or from having to hear other male characters make sexist jokes about an NPC and see your male PC laughing at them while you're internally cringing.

 

It's simple as that.

You are not entitled to the existence of games that pander to you. If you get them , good for you, if you don't and want to ask for them good for you too. But stop pretending you somehow deserve them. Your rights don't include the existence of games you want or the gaming industry working towards a quota. You are not being wronged somehow when/if you don't have electronic interactive toys made to your specifications. You're not that important. No one is.

[maia0407]

It's silly to you because you are probably a guy. I'm a woman who's had to play countless male PCs before finally having the pleasure of making my own customisable female PC in Dragon Age.
 
Now that gaming companies realized protagonists don't always have to be men, they can easily adapt any story to fit for both male and female PCs.
 
I don't care how wonderful Witcher is. I want a story that respects my choice for playing as a female. Why? For two reasons.
 
1- Because at least half the gamers in the world are women nowadays. And I don't want to play as Standard_Male_Protagonist again.
 
2- Because male and female viewpoints are radically different. You can't derive any satisfaction from the Miranda romance as a hetero female, for example. Or from having to hear other male characters make sexist jokes about an NPC and see your male PC laughing at them while you're internally cringing.
 
It's simple as that.

I won't spend money on role-playing games that won't allow me to play as my gender. And, I'll let the devs know why they've lost a sale. At least it looks like many devs are starting to pay more attention to these issues. All us 'entitled' (lol) people are having an impact. Win win for everyone.

[MrsFlyingKebab]

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING BIOWARE!?!?!


And yes. I used my mum voice on you!
I am very disappointed. I was hoping to spend/waste a lot more time while at work here once MEA kicked off, but i guess not. AND screw those other social media sites, they're all bollocks.

You shot yourself in the foot there mate, you really have....

[Khayness]

You're not that important. No one is.

 

Luxury hobbies are the main cause of outrage around the internet, how dare you to say such thing!

[o Ventus]

It's silly to you because you are probably a guy. I'm a woman who's had to play countless male PCs before finally having the pleasure of making my own customisable female PC in Dragon Age.

 

Now that gaming companies realized protagonists don't always have to be men, they can easily adapt any story to fit for both male and female PCs.

 

I don't care how wonderful Witcher is. I want a story that respects my choice for playing as a female. Why? For two reasons.

 

1- Because at least half the gamers in the world are women nowadays. And I don't want to play as Standard_Male_Protagonist again.

 

2- Because male and female viewpoints are radically different. You can't derive any satisfaction from the Miranda romance as a hetero female, for example. Or from having to hear other male characters make sexist jokes about an NPC and see your male PC laughing at them while you're internally cringing.

 

It's simple as that.

 

If being confined to a single gender when you play a game really bothers you, then video gaming isn't the hobby for you. Stick to tabletops and pen-and-papers.

 

You not caring about the source material is exactly the problem with people who make this kind of idiotic complaint. It's an adaptation of a pre-existing story. If you're not going to actually adapt the story and change important details (like the main character being a man), then just make your own story. Don't b***h about it not suiting your tastes, you'd have better luck arguing with a brick wall.

 

1. No. "Half of the gamers in the world" are most definitely not women unless you count crap like Candy Crush or Angry Birds and consider them to be the same as something like God of War or Half Life.

 

2. No, YOU can't derive satisfaction from the Miranda romance. Just because YOU can't doesn't mean that other women also can't. You don't dictate how other people react to things, unless you are willing to say that the males on these boards who like the Garrus romance for FemShep are liars. And really, how weak do you have to be to feel offended over a joke? It's a ****ing joke.

 

In conclusion, it's not "as simple as that", because you are not the arbiter for what is good and right in games.

[o Ventus]

This.

 

In all honesty, I would rather focus on where we go next, to which there are some interesting possibilities developing.

Than post lengthy debate that will be deleted in a few weeks.

 

We tried that, but threads asking where we can go get deleted and rerouted to come here.

[Remki]

I've ziplined my way through all the stages of grief overnight and I guess I've landed on acceptance already. Feel like this is an accurate sentiment:

 

 

Goodbye, BSN. It was fun lurking and occasionally popping out to talk with you all.

 

[o Ventus]

I won't spend money on role-playing games that won't allow me to play as my gender. And, I'll let the devs know why they've lost a sale. At least it looks like many devs are starting to pay more attention to these issues. All us 'entitled' (lol) people are having an impact. Win win for everyone.

 

I like that you put the word entitled in quotation marks, as if to imply that you aren't actually entitled, immediately after you say that you won't buy games that let you choose your gender. That is one of the most entitled things I've ever heard.

[Clover Rider]

I met SomeGeth here.

 

I wonder where he went?

Who knows.

 

I recall Some Geth tho.

 

He was an opinionated close-minded jerk.

[maia0407]

I like that you put the word entitled in quotation marks, as if to imply that you aren't actually entitled, immediately after you say that you won't buy games that let you choose your gender. That is one of the most entitled things I've ever heard.

In what bizarro world am I obligated to spend money on a game I don't want to play?

[Puddi III]

I'm pretty sure Eurypterid's name on the old BioWare forums wasn't Eurypterid though, and I can't remember what it was... I think it was multiple words.

[Cassandra Saturn]

my uBSN is growing as i continue to work on it. everything looks good as time goes by.

do you guys remember the time that a couple of mods on old BSN before the forum.bioware was fighting over the community member ban, the member involved was friend to a community moderator so this community moderator pimpslapped Bioware Moderator it went on.. like for two days until Gaider shut their butts down and banned them all.

not sure if anyone saw that day. not single member survived the suicide mission..

in case you want to see uBSN here's the link. http://biowaresocial...ork.boards.net/

[Rifneno]

It's silly to you because you are probably a guy. I'm a woman who's had to play countless male PCs before finally having the pleasure of making my own customisable female PC in Dragon Age.

I like how you ignored that I specifically mentioned the opposite, men whining about female protagonists, is ridiculous.
 

Now that gaming companies realized protagonists don't always have to be men, they can easily adapt any story to fit for both male and female PCs.

Especially easy considering it makes virtually no difference.
 

I don't care how wonderful Witcher is. I want a story that respects my choice for playing as a female. Why? For two reasons.
 
1- Because at least half the gamers in the world are women nowadays. And I don't want to play as Standard_Male_Protagonist again.

Again: this is absurd either way. Men crying they can't play male characters, women crying they can't play female characters. Asinine either way.
 

2- Because male and female viewpoints are radically different. You can't derive any satisfaction from the Miranda romance as a hetero female, for example. Or from having to hear other male characters make sexist jokes about an NPC and see your male PC laughing at them while you're internally cringing.

I can identify with that because your post made me cringe so hard I almost collapsed into myself like a neutron star. As a straight guy, my favorite ME romance was FemShep/Garrus. I've seen plenty of women discussing their romance choices in TW3. If you can't roleplay in a roleplaying game, then that is your problem and your problem alone. Not your gender, not your sexual orientation, you. No one is oppressing women by making a game with a pre-determined protagonist that happens to be male.
 

It's simple as that.

Ditto.

[JWvonGoethe]

You are not entitled to the existence of games that pander to you. If you get them , good for you, if you don't and want to ask for them good for you too. But stop pretending you somehow deserve them. Your rights don't include the existence of games you want or the gaming industry working towards a quota. You are not being wronged somehow when/if you don't have electronic interactive toys made to your specifications. You're not that important. No one is.

I actually agree with your earlier post that it's OK to have certain games where the protagonist is either a fixed male character or a fixed female character. But as for "pandering"? Women make up more than 50% of the population. Having the option to choose between playing as a man or a woman is not "pandering". One of the most important things that art is capable of doing is commenting on the human condition - all aspects of it. Everything from men to women, happiness to sorrow, life and death, rich and poor and everything else you can imagine. This isn't about "entitlement", it's about wanting to experience an artistic culture that reflects all walks of life. I don't think there's anything wrong with believing that society is deserving of such a thing.

[ModernAcademic]

You are not entitled to the existence of games that pander to you. If you get them , good for you, if you don't and want to ask for them good for you too. But stop pretending you somehow deserve them. Your rights don't include the existence of games you want or the gaming industry working towards a quota. You are not being wronged somehow when/if you don't have electronic interactive toys made to your specifications. You're not that important. No one is.

 

1- Games have been pandering to men's desires for years because like any form of entertainment, they must attract consumers by appealing to what they like the most. Which is why the PC is always a strong dude, usually a figure of authority who's out to save the world and meet hot, half-naked chicks.

 

Please stop talking nonsense. Pandering to audiences is what entertainment is about.

 

2- My "rights", as you call them, are consumer rights, something which you're obviously scarcely aware of. And who the hell is talking about rights? I'm talking about multiple possibilities for the development of fictional universes. About what consumers like me want. Something that doesn't concern you, only the developers. 

 

3- I'll ask whatever I want from whomever I want in the gaming industry. What I do plus the remaining 50% of the gaming community is none of your business. You have a problem with that, go talk to a wall.

[Yuoaman]

I like that you put the word entitled in quotation marks, as if to imply that you aren't actually entitled, immediately after you say that you won't buy games that let you choose your gender. That is one of the most entitled things I've ever heard.

This just in, folks, exercising your rights as a consumer to buy what you want to do is now entitlement. 

[o Ventus]

In what bizarro world am I obligated to spend money on a game I don't want to play?

 

I guess not acknowledging my point and putting up a strawman to knock down is good too.

[SnakeCode]

I want more left handed characters in games. I won't play as right handed people anymore. Our viewpoints are completely different. I can't identify with righties.

[neonmoth]

That's fair enough (I personally go more for sci-fi over fantasy myself), I just think it's a bit silly to mourn the lack of a main character who is female, when the source material that the game is based off of already has the same lacking.

Nah, it's not in the way of "I'm prepping my pitchfork cause no Geraldine" and more of a wishful thinking "how awesome would it be if I could play any Witcher(ess)" regardless of how nonsensical it sounds. I connect much better with females, although there are exceptions.

 

And yeah, I'm very much a sci-fi nerd and was just getting excited about MEA launch... 

[Clover Rider]

my uBSN is growing

https://www.youtube....h?v=oyFQVZ2h0V8

[Yuoaman]

I guess not acknowledging my point and putting up a strawman to knock down is good too.

More breaking news: responding to an absurd point by laughing at its absurdity is now "putting up a strawman".