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[Qun00]

I understand that the HoF agreed to grant Loghain his wish to atone by paying with his life, but he could easily accomplish that with years of service as a Grey Warden.

Or is it a simple matter of "Well, the idea just didn't cross the HoF's mind"?

[Ferretinabun]

If taken to the fight with the archdemon, Loghain does explicitly ask to be the one to make the killer blow to redeem himself. It's an 'honour' he seems to want. Doesn't seem so unreasonable to grant him it.

[Qun00]

If taken to the fight with the archdemon, Loghain does explicitly ask to be the one to make the killer blow to redeem himself. It's an 'honour' he seems to want. Doesn't seem so unreasonable to grant him it.

I suppose not, though I wonder why would one recruit him in the first place.

And by that I don't mean the endless debates about Loghain's morality. At that point, the HoF doesn't know that only a Grey Warden can slay the archdemon.

So as far as the Hero is concerned, having two GWs has been enough to get the job done.

[Ghost Gal]

Don't have to perform the Dark Ritual and can throw someone you don't like at the Archdemon instead of yourself or your allies (Riordan and Alistair).

 

I only declined to execute him once, and my character's express purpose was just to feed him to the Archdemon should it come down to them or him.

[Akiza]

There is value in letting Loghain kill himself vs Archdemon that is one of the most clever endings.

[German Soldier]

It's a paragon ending for totally good wardens who had the strength to forgive him and opted for a redemption path.

[Zero]

I guess is depending on which kind of Warden you're playing. 

 

Wardens that don't sacrifice themselves (I don't see "paragons of good" there, a paragon of good will sacrifice him/herself) or Alistair, but also don't want to follow Morrigan's plan, will have Loghain sacrifice instead. Is a good way for the guy to redeem himself after all the bad he has done.

 

 

I suppose not, though I wonder why would one recruit him in the first place.

 

A). You sympathize with his plight (even if you don't approve his actions)

B ). You take into consideration Riordan's word. There is a Blight, and only 3 active Wardens in Ferelden. One more will really help (Alistair greatly disapproves, thou)

C). You want to bang his daughter, and thought is a good idea to recruit him to be in Anora's good graces (human noble only).

[Domakir]

I suppose not, though I wonder why would one recruit him in the first place.

And by that I don't mean the endless debates about Loghain's morality. At that point, the HoF doesn't know that only a Grey Warden can slay the archdemon.

So as far as the Hero is concerned, having two GWs has been enough to get the job done.

The first time I played DAO I thought what Riodan said made sense though I was tempted to kill him right there in the end I just thoght it would be beneficial to have 4 GW instead of 3.

[Tidus]

As a CE warden I can't find any justifiable reason not to kill Loghain. He's dies in my games.

[wildannie]

Riordan is the most experienced and knowledgeable Grey Warden and he advises that it would be beneficial to spare and recruit him so it makes sense to take that on board.  It also makes sense to accept Loghain's yield, as to finish him off once he has yielded  right in front of his daughter doesn't seem like a very smart thing to do. 

[Tidus]

Does to my CE. What would you do if somebody placed a bounty on your head, sent assassins after you,sold your friends and family into slavery? I wouldn't be a all love dovey all is forgiven cuddlier. I would want payback.

 

Besides talk to the Asp in camp and he is still arrogant another reason to kill him..

 

 

Riordan is a Loghain lacky-he kills a guard, says he needs a doctor then the next time you see him he's with Loghain--why isn't he back in his cell since he's a Orlesian warden and murderer?

 

Didn't Loghain rant about allowing the Orlesian wardens to enter Ferelden?   Wasn't the warden jailed for killing Howel?

[Aren]

To Kill the old god Urthemiel forever.

The first time I played DAO I thought what Riodan said made sense though I was tempted to kill him right there in the end I just thoght it would be beneficial to have 4 GW instead of 3.

Until that moron left and you still was at number 3,No matter in the end we won the same.

[Domakir]

To Kill the old god Urthemiel forever.

Until that moron left and you still was at number 3,No matter in the end we won the same.

I must say even if I like Alistair at least Loghain doesn't whine at every decision I make so it is for the better.

[Qis]

In one of my playthrough, only a Dalish character sacrifice herself instead of Loghain (i make Alistair the king marry Anora), the reason is she have nothing anymore in the world, Tamlen is dead, she have no family, no children, and now barren. Even if she go back to her "never found" clan, there is nothing anymore for her in the clan. She have no home, and having no one who wait for her return (no friend, no lover, companions leave and betray her for reasons)

 

So she sacrifice herself and let Loghain live, she leave the world with humans who own their life to her...if they remember...

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Kill the archdemon and die a hero being loved by all of Fereldan. Plus you get this beautiful quote:

 

"Please, I have done... so much wrong. Allow me to do one last thing right."

[KaiserShep]

It depends on the Warden. Both human noble and city elf Wardens kill him outright, but the dwarf and mage let him join the order. I don't care about the Dalish elf to get that far, but I imagine a Dalish being harder on a shem that was part of an elf trafficking ring.

[Qun00]

What I don't understand is this: How strong can Riordan's argument be if the HoF didn't know about how the archdemon is slain at that point?

[Qis]

What I don't understand is this: How strong can Riordan's argument be if the HoF didn't know about how the archdemon is slain at that point?

 

It is not strong at all, it just a suggestion to troll The Warden.

 

But looking at certain point of view, the willingness to let Loghain live after he is defeated in a duel, not killing him outright, means The Warden is open to suggestions on Loghain fate. What else to do to him?

 

He's a war hero and have many supporters, even the Landsmeet against him but there are common peoples who idolizes him, imprison him will only bring problems because you never know what the mob reaction. If he live in prison, he might spark some of his supporters to cause riot or something.

 

The only answer is execute Loghain and end of his story, that is the rule of the duel anyway.

 

But if you spare him meaning you're open to suggestions, so that is the opportunity for Riordan trolling you...one of my theory is Riordan actually work for Loghain. There is no reason for Riordan to come out with that suggestion. If he just want another Grey Warden he can pick up anyone using this reason "yes the joining might kill you, and so the Darkspawn in battle". The willingness of Oghren becoming Grey Warden means anyone might have the same sense on volunteering to be recruited.

[Tidus]

Here's what I learned. After losing the Landsmeet in my first two games Loghain couldn't wait to have my warden, Alistair and Eamon taken outside to await execution. Not  one peep from Riordan about saving the wardens since they are needed to kill the AD yet,you beat Loghain and he speaks out about Loghain becoming a warden.. That's another reason I fully believe he is another one of Loghain's lackeys.

 

In my last play through for awhile (I put DA:O on my storage shelf) a thought cross my mind..Is Riordan really a warden or is he highly knowledgeable of their ways?

 

Thought: When he is asked if he will join the attacking force he says no the AD will be alerted to their presence but, according to Warden Commander Duncan they needed more wardens to fight the AD that's why the Orlesian Wardens was requested.

 

Something not quite right either Riordan isn't a warden or the BW writers screwed up again by not following their own story line.

[German Soldier]

Kill the archdemon and die a hero being loved by all of Fereldan. Plus you get this beautiful quote:

 

"Please, I have done... so much wrong. Allow me to do one last thing right."

I'm just sad that it was required the power to defeat him in order to make him return himself and i can't really say i was sad because the old god died...

[German Soldier]

 

Something not quite right either Riordan isn't a warden or the BW writers screwed up again by not following their own story line.

Riordan is a senior Grey warden which happen to not possess any sense of hatred or regret, basically a person with a good heart,his only crime was to kill that guard outside the prison.

[German Soldier]

What I don't understand is this: How strong can Riordan's argument be if the HoF didn't know about how the archdemon is slain at that point?

It's just David Gaider nonsense  Riordan could have try to explain himself better in private before to kill Loghain but the game doesn't offer this simple outcome.

[Akiza]

 

 

 

The only answer is execute Loghain and end of his story, that is the rule of the duel anyway.

 

 

There is no such a rule the Landsmeet duels are not designed to kill people.

[Qis]

There is no such a rule the Landsmeet duels are not designed to kill people.

 

Lost mean wrong and dead, and this is true when you lost to Loghain.

[Tidus]

German,Soldier,I not buying into Riordan being a senior warden.. Again something isn't quite right about him He says nothing when Loghain is fixing to execute the last two greys in Ferelden  and speaks up when old Loghain is about to lose his head.

 

Again Warden Commander Duncan requested aid from the Orlesian  Greys because they wasn't enough Greys in Ferelden to deal with the AD and old Riordan says if all three reminding Greys stay together then the AD will detect them..That's not correct according to Duncan and the book  "The Last" flight.