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[Kabraxal]

Now I see why Bethesda waited until F4 was pretty much done before revealing it... Though with Bioware, that would have just been more proof to the "experts" of a troubled dev cycle. They just can't win with some people.

[Iakus]

so he's the guys that is going to kill BSN, guess i should put him on the list. his name won't be forgotten.

Nah, I think he's just the messenger.  A very unfortunate job to have, though.

[Killroy]

Now I see why Bethesda waited until F4 was pretty much done before revealing it... Though with Bioware, that would have just been more proof to the "experts" of a troubled dev cycle. They just can't win with some people.

 

Did the Fallout 4 team lose the head writer more than year before launch? Or a dozen other developers, some senior staff, in the same time frame?

[SKAR]

There are solid signs that development of MEA is troubled.

Enlighten me.

[Kabraxal]

Did the Fallout 4 team lose the head writer more than year before launch? Or a dozen other developers, some senior staff, in the same time frame?

I can't say, seeing as I don't hover around the dev cycle to call out the dev for every little hiccup like you apparently do.

[goishen]

There are solid signs that development of MEA is troubled. 

 

 

There are just as many sins that ME:A is fine though, as well.   It's all in how you read the tea leaves.  Me?  I'm going to take their word on it, not because of some financial forecast, not because what someone says, not even because of ME3's endings. 

 

I'm taking their word on it, because that's the rock solid information I have.  That other stuff may be just as rock solid but are tangents. 

[SKAR]

There are just as many sins that ME:A is fine though, as well. It's all in how you read the tea leaves. Me? I'm going to take their word on it, not because of some financial forecast, not because what someone says, not even because of ME3's endings.

I'm taking their word on it, because that's the rock solid information I have. That other stuff may be just as rock solid but are tangents.

Agree with you on that I do.

[Bakgrind]

Now I see why Bethesda waited until F4 was pretty much done before revealing it... Though with Bioware, that would have just been more proof to the "experts" of a troubled dev cycle. They just can't win with some people.

 

Actually the reason for this is that Bioware had been guilty of over hyping their own game . For instance for DAI there were game choice story  mechanics  that were shown in some of their footage that  would of been a rather unique experience to the genre did not make it to the released version of the game. Also they were quoted as saying DAI was "Built for PC first in mind" when it was obvious that it was more of a console port with it's limited gaming features that marks it as a step down from the first two installments of the game. And of course we all know about ME 3 being proclaimed as having player choice and no A,B,C type of an ending.  And really the fan base only buys in to what they are being shown and told. It looks like they are not repeating the same mistakes that they had made with their other titles and going forward they are going with a news blackout concerning their games.

 

I can't say much for FO4 since I wasn't aware about their pre release quotes, but it is probably just as well considering that they really didn't bring anything new to the game other than the main story.  And what was being raved about after the game was released was nothing more than  player  made modded content  taken from their previous game and that was the settlement construction.

[Killroy]

Enlighten me.

 
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Did the Fallout 4 team lose the head writer more than year before launch? Or a dozen other developers, some senior staff, in the same time frame?

 
 

I can't say, seeing as I don't hover around the dev cycle to call out the dev for every little hiccup like you apparently do.

 
That's some fine dodging. You almost didn't look like a fangirl for a second.
 

There are just as many sins that ME:A is fine though, as well.

 
Such as? Is it the radio silence? The failure to show gameplay at E3?

[AlanC9]

Failure to do something you wanted isn't much of a sign of anything.

[Killroy]

Failure to do something you wanted isn't much of a sign of anything.

 

Failure to show the game sure as hell isn't a sign that things are going great. 

[AlanC9]

*shrug* What's the case for showing it back then? Whatever they had then won't be how it ships. Either they'll have improved stuff, or some stuff won't work and it will end up being cut, or some of both.

[Killroy]

*shrug* What's the case for showing it back then? Whatever they had then won't be how it ships. Either they'll have improved stuff, or some stuff won't work and it will end up being cut, or some of both.

 

Entirely irrelevant and silly. Games get promoted. Especially at E3. Footage is shown off, gameplay is explored, hype is built. Failure to do that just isn't a sign that everything is going great behind the scenes. You can argue that it isn't a sign that there are issues but you cannot argue it's a sign that everything is awesome.

[SKAR]

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That's some fine dodging. You almost didn't look like a fangirl for a second.


Such as? Is it the radio silence? The failure to show gameplay at E3?

What am I supposed to be seeing? So some People left. Big whoop. Looking at the tweets and trailers the game appears to be awesome. I'm not gonna judge until I get my hands on the actual game.

[AlanC9]

Entirely irrelevant and silly. Games get promoted. Especially at E3. Footage is shown off, gameplay is explored, hype is built. Failure to do that just isn't a sign that everything is going great behind the scenes. You can argue that it isn't a sign that there are issues but you cannot argue it's a sign that everything is awesome.

I didn't argue that.

[LinksOcarina]

Failure to show the game sure as hell isn't a sign that things are going great. 

 

Do you have proof of this?

 

Last I checked a lot of companies tend to keep their games close to the chest now a days because of alpha/beta footage.

 

Not to mention you're referral for E3, while true, has a big wrinkle in it in the fact that EA was focused more on the EA Play event over the conference itself. It is why their presentation was mostly a presentation/trailer package celebrating their teams working their asses off on the game than anything else.

 

I look at it this way, if development for the game has been rocky, that info will come out eventually because there is no way in hell people will be silent for long. In truth, I doubt that is the case in my opinion, but that is more or less all we have in this discussion in the end, opinions really. Not facts. 

 

What I think he case is, however, is a simple act of managing expectations of the community. For the past few years we have seen a lot of people become increasingly vocal about changes and videos and the marketing of games that are being over-hyped or are suffering some cut content. This is in part to some journalists basically being bad at their job, to developers underestimating interviews and elephant memories, to fans simply starting blood feuds over their obsession of the products.

 

I remember the development team on Diablo 3 stated for people to not hype the game so much right before its release, because they will be disappointed by the results as the game has completely changed. I also remember how Bethesda had some issues with Fallout 3 leading up to release; people were upset about the first person view, nicknaming it Oblivion with Guns. And of course, for BioWare the issue stems from folks using everything they say against them now just by proxy of who their parent company is.

 

The truth of the matter is very likely something simpler than we make it out to be. In the end, if the game is in trouble then well know soon enough regardless, but I highly doubt it is. 

[Killroy]

I didn't argue that.

 

I know you're a contrarian, but would you at least make an attempt to not be a contrarian for the sake being a contrarian? The discussion was about a specific thing and you injected yourself into it. You don't get to change what the discussion is about just to be contrary. 

[Killroy]

Do you have proof of this?

Proof of what? That not showing off your game at the biggest trade show for games isn't a sign that things are going swimmingly? Why would I need proof of that? It's just common sense.

I seem to have proof that your reading comprehension is lacking.
 

Last I checked a lot of companies tend to keep their games close to the chest now a days because of alpha/beta footage.

Last I checked BioWare has never done that and they certainly haven't done it with MEA. They announced it back in 2013. They can't un-advertise a game and re-advertise it later. And it's not like a Cyberpunk 2077 situation where they announced the game well before they even began developing it. 

People keep bringing up Fallout 4, like it has any relevance, and DAI with its cut content, like anyone is asking to see entire missions or something. We've essentially seen nothing of MEA. We still know more about the game through a leak over a year ago than from BioWare. 
 

Not to mention you're referral for E3, while true, has a big wrinkle in it in the fact that EA was focused more on the EA Play event over the conference itself. It is why their presentation was mostly a presentation/trailer package celebrating their teams working their asses off on the game than anything else.

My are referral to E3 has nothing to do with EA Play. Most of the games they showed off at EA Play had a presence at E3 beyond the short videos shown at that time. MEA is the exception, not the rule.

[LinksOcarina]

Proof of what? That not showing off your game at the biggest trade show for games isn't a sign that things are going swimmingly? Why would I need proof of that? It's just common sense.

I seem to have proof that your reading comprehension is lacking.
 

Last I checked BioWare has never done that and they certainly haven't done it with MEA. They announced it back in 2013. They can't un-advertise a game and re-advertise it later. And it's not like a Cyberpunk 2077 situation where they announced the game well before they even began developing it. 

People keep bringing up Fallout 4, like it has any relevance, and DAI with its cut content, like anyone is asking to see entire missions or something. We've essentially seen nothing of MEA. We still know more about the game through a leak over a year ago than from BioWare. 
 

My are referral to E3 has nothing to do with EA Play. Most of the games they showed off at EA Play had a presence at E3 beyond the short videos shown at that time. MEA is the exception, not the rule.

 

Oh my reading comprehension is fine, it's more so pointing out the fallacy of your argument that passes something off as factual. What you have presented as proof of the game being in trouble is conjecture at best. 

 

See, the reason why people bring those other games up is simple; that is what you compare evidence to. You ask why we have seen nothing about Andromeda, I more or less provided the blueprint for it, and the patterns the other companies have gone through, along with BioWare itself and how it seems to get in trouble now a days every time they open their mouths on something.

 

So in my mind, your opinion on everything is noted, but i simply disagree since all you have is feelings, not facts.

 

And frankly I don't have the time, patience or energy to argue with another ****** wall right now. 

[SKAR]

You don't even know what a fuccboi is, Degrassi. And why does it make sense to judge the game as awesome but you simply cannot tolerate people thinking it might not be awesome? You already somehow know for a fact that it's amazing but anyone who's undecided or not looking forward to it is a piece of garbage. You're completely hypocritical.

Of everything we've seen you are not even a little amazed by the leaks, trailer, tweets,etc. Maybe I am being hypocritical but for the right reasons. I have no reason to expect a crap game. Sure ME 3 ending was controversial and maybe the game was a bit rushed but it was a very decent game and despite the controversy it was still a success and a great game. Now they have more time, resources, the best minds behind it. I'm not letting a little mistake taint my opinion of a series that I care about. Sure people didn't really like dragon age but it's not mass effect. I like how this game is turning out and I look forward to Playing it. I have yet to be disappointed. This isn't 2007 anymore. We are enter I a new era for gaming. We can ***** all we want about flaws in the game when we get it. You didn't get my joke though? Killroy=Fu*kboy? Just a joke.

[rocklikeafool]

Proof of what? That not showing off your game at the biggest trade show for games isn't a sign that things are going swimmingly? Why would I need proof of that? It's just common sense.

I seem to have proof that your reading comprehension is lacking.

Your naivety is hilarious. Topnotch entertainment.

[Innocent Bystander]

I'm with Killroy on this one. We've been show exacly nothing relevant as of yet and considering all that is happening, even overly optimistic people like me, that were prepared to pre-order ASAP, have now valid reasons to step back and reconsider.

I'm not saying that MEA will fail or get cancelled, but I've lost all my faith in BioWare and I probably won't be preordering and I will definitely cancel all my plans to plan my vacation around MEA's release.

[CronoDragoon]

Failure to do something you wanted isn't much of a sign of anything.

 

 

Failure to show the game sure as hell isn't a sign that things are going great. 

 

You guys aren't disagreeing, here.

 

At this point anyone positing that no news means stuff - good or bad - is pulling things out of their ass.

[Giantdeathrobot]

I'm not sure a troubled production (if it IS troubled which is mostly speculation at this point) is always indicative of bad quality.

 

Dragon Age: Origins had a highly troubled production, spanning a long time, and it is my favorite Bioware game.

[goishen]

I will definitely cancel all my plans to plan my vacation around MEA's release.

 

 

I've never understood this.