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[Malanek]

I don't think the closure has much to do with ME:A. The closure of the forums could end up being a good thing. Some of the censorship and closure of off topic boards seems completely misguided to me. I can see their point of view, some of the things that are said must be very hard for the devs to take without a very thick skin. In spite of that I think it is a mistake for them to close things, the ME3 MPer forum really enhanced and added to their game. The ME Andromeda boards is a powerful marketing tool.

 

Hopefully many people will check out some of the new forums popping up because things like twitter and facebook are simply not the right tools to participate in a discussion. Would love to see some devs hopefully at least read them as well.

[Killroy]

Oh my reading comprehension is fine, it's more so pointing out the fallacy of your argument that passes something off as factual. What you have presented as proof of the game being in trouble is conjecture at best.

 
See, this is where reading comprehension is important. You think I said the lack of a substantive showing at E3 this year is proof that development is in trouble. I never said that. I said the lack of a substantive showing isn't proof that development is going great. Which you can't argue with. Or at least you shouldn't, if you don't want to look foolish. I only treat the poor showing at E3 as substantive when factored into everything else. 
 

Of everything we've seen you are not even a little amazed by the leaks, trailer, tweets,etc. Maybe I am being hypocritical but for the right reasons. I have no reason to expect a crap game. Sure ME 3 ending was controversial and maybe the game was a bit rushed but it was a very decent game and despite the controversy it was still a success and a great game. Now they have more time, resources, the best minds behind it. I'm not letting a little mistake taint my opinion of a series that I care about. Sure people didn't really like dragon age but it's not mass effect. I like how this game is turning out and I look forward to Playing it. I have yet to be disappointed. This isn't 2007 anymore. We are enter I a new era for gaming. We can ***** all we want about flaws in the game when we get it. You didn't get my joke though? Killroy=Fu*kboy? Just a joke.

 
You're a hypocrite for the right reasons? And you think rhyming boy with roy is a funny joke?
 
Where am I? What even is reality? 
 

I've never understood this.

 
I've done that. A game you're really looking forward to is coming out and you work full-time(or longer) so you take a week off to play it. People have lives. You can't always fit an epic RPG into your schedule without taking some time off.

[Killroy]

Look at these time codes. WTF?

[Killroy]

Uhhh, what? The BSN must be getting shut down already! It's gone all screwy!

[Element Zero]

I've never understood this.

Taken as a whole, his post indicates to me that he's just viewing things a bit more realistically, now. Blind preorders generally aren't wise. Most should know better by now.

Feelings are sore, at present, with our favorite (and only real) BioWare discussion forum soon to be killed. People will calm down and reassess long before Andromeda releases.

I know this: Assuming that MEA is good, and that I buy, play and enjoy it, I'll miss coming here and discussing the hell out of it with you guys. The characters, the stories, the aesthetics, the DLC -- everything! We dissected it all to our hearts' contentment. Nowhere else on the web can one find the passion for the IP that one finds here. I hope some of that is preserved in the fan-made successor forums, but nothing will ever truly match this community, for better or worse.

I'll miss most of you crazy lot collectively, and some individually. Even those who weren't going to win popularity contests with their approach and manner were still doing their part to keep the community alive. For the most part, it's been a great forum, for all its flaws. It was nice knowing I could leave it when it became too much, and know it would still be here when I wanted to come back to it.

Oh, well. On topic? I do suspect this place has been more trouble than it's worth in the eyes of BioWare for a long time. I doubt the timing of its shutdown, before MEA release, is a coincidence. I don't believe it's indicative of anything, though, other than their opinion of this community's membership. I think they've long since tired of listening to "us".

[AlanC9]

See, this is where reading comprehension is important. You think I said the lack of a substantive showing at E3 this year is proof that development is in trouble. I never said that. I said the lack of a substantive showing isn't proof that development is going great. Which you can't argue with. Or at least you shouldn't, if you don't want to look foolish. I only treat the poor showing at E3 as substantive when factored into everything else. 

So how'd you end up arguing with me?

And what's the "everything else"?

[Karolus_V]

I do wonder if this time instead of RGB we do get CMYK?

[Killroy]

So how'd you end up arguing with me?

And what's the "everything else"?

Jesus Christ, really? You argued with me because you're a contrarian, and you know exactly what the "everything else" is. You're just being a contrarian again. You're on these forums even more than I am so don't try to play dumb. 

[Karolus_V]

Jesus Christ, really? You argued with me because you're a contrarian, and you know exactly what the "everything else" is. You're just being a contrarian again. You're on these forums even more than I am so don't try to play dumb. 

 

Contrarians are the new enemy in ME:A?

[vbibbi]

What I think he case is, however, is a simple act of managing expectations of the community. For the past few years we have seen a lot of people become increasingly vocal about changes and videos and the marketing of games that are being over-hyped or are suffering some cut content. This is in part to some journalists basically being bad at their job, to developers underestimating interviews and elephant memories, to fans simply starting blood feuds over their obsession of the products.
 

 

This is going to show off my naivete of big business and corporate PR, but I will always hold any developer who agrees to an interview fully accountable for what they state in that interview. If they are doing their job right, they should be prepared and hopefully anticipate all questions and have a good response ready. They should not promise things in a game which is not 100% certain to be present at launch, if ever, and they should not exaggerate features that require generous interpretation to be truthful. And when someone outright lies in an interview, I'm going to hold them accountable for the viral nature of the Internet and social media. A game developer who blames the collective memory of their fanbase for something they said in an interview doesn't deserve pity.

 

I'm talking about judging it as a bad game Fuccboi. I believe the game looks great and until I am shown otherwise I'm not gonna assume that this game is going to turn into a flop. Same with infinite warfare.

 

You have consistently been one of the rudest people I have seen on these forums recently. Even before the closure announcement. You're giving fans who still have undying loyalty to Bioware a bad name.

 

Oh, well. On topic? I do suspect this place has been more trouble than it's worth in the eyes of BioWare for a long time. I doubt the timing of its shutdown, before MEA release, is a coincidence. I don't believe it's indicative of anything, though, other than their opinion of this community's membership. I think they've long since tired of listening to "us".

 

Splainy? It's not a coincidence in timing yet it doesn't mean anything?

[vbibbi]

So how'd you end up arguing with me?

And what's the "everything else"?

 

Alan, in our final days on these forums, let's be honest. Anyone engaged in a conversation with you for more than two posts is going to end up in an argument with you.   Don't play like you don't know.

[Element Zero]

@vbibbi

Read the rest of the sentence. It explains my thoughts pretty thoroughly.

Edit:

I think they didn't want to hear anymore whinging, whining, griping, or general weirdness out of the BSN. That stuff is, unfortunately, what this place is best known for, regardless of all the great discussion that likewise takes place.

Killing the BioWare Forum disperses the mob, making them less dangerous. I don't think the ME3 ending debacle would've hurt so deeply had the fan base here, in their own forum, not "held the line" for so long, and led the charge against EA and BioWare in extreme ways. This is conjecture on my part, but it felt that way at the time, and it makes sense now. Disperse the mob now, just in case, lest history ever repeat itself. After all, they've seen how extreme things can get.

I don't think closing the forums is indicative of good or bad game quality, though. I think they simply believe this crowd is an unruly, unpredictable mob that is best broken up.

[SKAR]

See, this is where reading comprehension is important. You think I said the lack of a substantive showing at E3 this year is proof that development is in trouble. I never said that. I said the lack of a substantive showing isn't proof that development is going great. Which you can't argue with. Or at least you shouldn't, if you don't want to look foolish. I only treat the poor showing at E3 as substantive when factored into everything else.


You're a hypocrite for the right reasons? And you think rhyming boy with roy is a funny joke?

Where am I? What even is reality?


I've done that. A game you're really looking forward to is coming out and you work full-time(or longer) so you take a week off to play it. People have lives. You can't always fit an epic RPG into your schedule without taking some time off.

Sorry killroy but you're not as clever as you think you are. Get off your high horse, you can be wrong too. You're arrogance is not helping you.

[vbibbi]

@vbibbi

Read the rest of the sentence. It explains my thoughts pretty thoroughly.

 

I'm honestly not trying to be dense or contrarian (in this instance). But I don't understand your theory that the timing of closing the boards soon before MEA's release doesn't mean anything other than Bioware's opinion of the forumites. This is the question which has been bothering me: if they decided to close the forums specifically at this time prior to MEA's launch, rather than years or months ago, I come to the conclusion that it's not that some invisible straw has finally broken their back, it's that they want to filter community feedback through more easily managed channels. Not that this concludes that MEA will be bad, just that they are taking a new strategy for PR and marketing in their new releases.

[Degs29]

Well, I have faith in ME:A.  That said, I enjoyed DA2 and loved ME3 and DA:I, so I was always disappointed by the level of criticism and hostility Bioware received regarding those games.  It wasn't that those games didn't deserve some level of criticism, it's just that the criticism was overly severe and persistent.  Even now you have hundreds of posters ragging on about the ending of ME3.  Yes, very few of us were happy with the ME trilogy's ending...but get over it!

 

I personally thought DA:I had very few flaws and was an incredible game.  It wasn't until I recently returned to these forums after a couple years of hiatus that I realized that, once again, criticism for a Bioware game was rampant.  The gaming community tends to be a toxic, unsatisfied bunch.

 

That said, I 100% disagree with them shutting down the forums.  While many posters belong to that toxic group, many more are avid fans who love to discuss everything Bioware.  I think most people on here are smart enough to interpret the PR speak that is that post by Conal Pierse on why the forums are being closed.  It's not because there are other avenues to dialogue between fans and developers like they claim; it's because they fear that toxic environment.  Besides, since when is the primary reason for a forum to open up dialogue between devs and players?  Frankly, I didn't even know devs were on this board!  To me, it's more about meeting other fans and discussing topics surrounding your favourite games.

 

Just another decision that makes you question the integrity of EA/Bioware.  Such a love/hate relationship I have with them!

[SKAR]

This is going to show off my naivete of big business and corporate PR, but I will always hold any developer who agrees to an interview fully accountable for what they state in that interview. If they are doing their job right, they should be prepared and hopefully anticipate all questions and have a good response ready. They should not promise things in a game which is not 100% certain to be present at launch, if ever, and they should not exaggerate features that require generous interpretation to be truthful. And when someone outright lies in an interview, I'm going to hold them accountable for the viral nature of the Internet and social media. A game developer who blames the collective memory of their fanbase for something they said in an interview doesn't deserve pity.


You have consistently been one of the rudest people I have seen on these forums recently. Even before the closure announcement. You're giving fans who still have undying loyalty to Bioware a bad name.


Splainy? It's not a coincidence in timing yet it doesn't mean anything?

Are you for real?! You're judging me? Calling me rude? I don't even know you. What gives you that right? Why don't you judge the right people like that jerk Killroy. There's real douchebags around here and you have the nerve to call ME rude? I'm the guy who's rude to the rude people. Do unto others as you want done unto you. Your not gonna treat me with respect then it tells me you don't want respect back. Ironic isn't it?

[Element Zero]

I'm honestly not trying to be dense or contrarian (in this instance). But I don't understand your theory that the timing of closing the boards soon before MEA's release doesn't mean anything other than Bioware's opinion of the forumites. This is the question which has been bothering me: if they decided to close the forums specifically at this time prior to MEA's launch, rather than years or months ago, I come to the conclusion that it's not that some invisible straw has finally broken their back, it's that they want to filter community feedback through more easily managed channels. Not that this concludes that MEA will be bad, just that they are taking a new strategy for PR and marketing in their new releases.

I've edited and expounded for clarity.

[vbibbi]

Are you for real?! You're judging me? Calling me rude? I don't even know you. What gives you that right? Why don't you judge the right people like that jerk Killroy.

 

LOL "judge the right people"?

 

I'm judging you purely on your posts on these forums. You repeatedly tell people to shut up or get out, call people stupid names like fuccboi and then say it's a joke because it vaguely sounds like a user's name. You don't have to agree with everyone's opinion on here, but you are just as "guilty" as those you argue with by saying that anyone who has any doubts on MEA are wrong and idiots. Both critics and defenders on these boards get into arguments; you can't have a one sided fight.

[SKAR]

LOL "judge the right people"?

I'm judging you purely on your posts on these forums. You repeatedly tell people to shut up or get out, call people stupid names like fuccboi and then say it's a joke because it vaguely sounds like a user's name. You don't have to agree with everyone's opinion on here, but you are just as "guilty" as those you argue with by saying that anyone who has any doubts on MEA are wrong and idiots. Both critics and defenders on these boards get into arguments; you can't have a one sided fight.

And what about killroy? is he a saint? He does that and more. I can't help it if I'm allergic to bull$#!t. Stubbornness, ignorance, and bullying don't sit well with me. Look pal I don't really know you so I can't judge you in turn but let me tell you something, I know who the real bullies are.

[Killroy]

Sorry killroy but you're not as clever as you think you are. Get off your high horse, you can be wrong too. You're arrogance is not helping you.

 

My are arrogance isn't helping me? Your sure?

[SKAR]

My are arrogance isn't helping me? Your sure?

It reminds me of one certain presidential candidate. Might as well get this off my chest considering this is the end.

[Killroy]

And what about killroy? is he a saint? He does that and more. I can't help it if I'm allergic to bull$#!t. Stubbornness, ignorance, and bullying don't sit well with me. Look pal I don't really know you so I can't judge you in turn but let me tell you something, I know who the real bullies are.

 

Just FYI, no one likes a hypocrite. You're a hypocrite and you're seeing what people think of that. You may think I'm a jerk, but I'm no hypocrite. If people wanna call me names or whatever, that's fine. It comes with being on the internet. But I'll never tell people they're not allowed to have dissenting opinions. That's why no one likes you. 

[Killroy]

It reminds me of one certain presidential candidate. Might as well get this off my chest considering this is the end.

 

Al Gore? 

[SKAR]

Just FYI, no one likes a hypocrite. You're a hypocrite and you're seeing what people think of that. You may think I'm a jerk, but I'm no hypocrite. If people wanna call me names or whatever, that's fine. It comes with being on the internet. But I'll never tell people they're not allowed to have dissenting opinions. That's why no one likes you.

On the contrary, who's the real hypocrite? You're nothing but a bully.

[Killroy]

On the contrary, who's the real hypocrite? You're nothing but a bully.

 

You just say things without having any idea what they mean. Everyone knows you're 13 or 14 years old because of that.