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[Killroy]

On the contrary, who's the real hypocrite? You're nothing but a bully.

 

You just say things without having any idea what they mean. Everyone knows you're 13 or 14 years old because of that.

[Karolus_V]

[SKAR]

Al Gore?

Al Gore? don't make me laugh. Donald Drumpf. #make Donald Drumpf again. I like All Gore. I don't like you. You are just a crude individual who $#!ts on people because of opposing opinions. Guess we are alike in that way. But I disagree because some things are just plain wrong. And If I'm wrong I own up to it and if I believe im notnI fight for my opinion. You criticize people and belittle them. Don't call me a hypocrite when I say that. I'm not the only one on this forum who believes that.

[PrinceofTime]

Lol this whole debacle is still funny. But yeah Ill miss this place tbh, soon itll be time for me to move on from bioware entirely. Only a few weeks to go.

[SKAR]

You just say things without having any idea what they mean. Everyone knows you're 13 or 14 years old because of that.

Really? Cause everyone knows you're a immature adult man because of this. Which one is the better deal. I'm young and I can grow up and mature in the world. That's fine. But you're a man child who should've grown up long ago. *Drops the mic*

[Vespervin]

I can't wait to post feedback regarding MEA on Facebook, only for my comment to be drowned out by morons and those who spam "omg I found where I can watch all the movies *insert long post of links below*"....

[SKAR]

Lol this whole debacle is still funny. But yeah Ill miss this place tbh, soon itll be time for me to move on from bioware entirely. Only a few weeks to go.

Then it lives on in that substitute forum that Cassandra Saturn made.

[Karolus_V]

[AlanC9]

I'm honestly not trying to be dense or contrarian (in this instance). But I don't understand your theory that the timing of closing the boards soon before MEA's release doesn't mean anything other than Bioware's opinion of the forumites. This is the question which has been bothering me: if they decided to close the forums specifically at this time prior to MEA's launch, rather than years or months ago, I come to the conclusion that it's not that some invisible straw has finally broken their back,

It's not like we're all that close to the ME:A release date yet. If you were going to close these boards, when would you have done it? Not during DA:I's DLC cycle, obviously. Not right around E3 either. Maybe last March or so would have been a bit better, but now isn't bad.

[vbibbi]

It's not like we're all that close to the ME:A release date yet. If you were going to close these boards, when would you have done it? Not during DA:I's DLC cycle, obviously. Not right around E3 either. Maybe last March or so would have been a bit better, but now isn't bad.

 

I guess it depends on what Bioware's plans are for future community engagement. If they are planning on creating a completely new MEA-only forum close to launch, I would have closed the forums a few months prior to launching the new forums, with the note in Conal's announcement that "but while one door closes yadda yadda" to deflect some of the criticism. The biggest trolls Bioware is hoping to drop might lose interest waiting for several months before they can hop right back onto their soapbox.

 

If they're not planning on implementing a new forum at all, I think the best time would have been soon after either Trespasser's release or after the GotY edition release. Get the final drops of hype for new DAI content disseminated and then go dark for the build up to MEA's release. That could eliminate some of the discussions about how much or little was revealed at E3 and be far enough from MEA's launch that people fearing for its release readiness would have less fuel.

 

I think this is all hindsight, though, as who knows how quickly they decided to axe the boards? Was it only a few weeks ago? I doubt it was as long ago as Trespasser's release or even months prior to E3. Really though, if they're going to make such a drastic change to their communications, they probably should have been planning this farther in advance.

[PCThug]

I think this is all hindsight, though, as who knows how quickly they decided to axe the boards? Was it only a few weeks ago? I doubt it was as long ago as Trespasser's release or even months prior to E3. Really though, if they're going to make such a drastic change to their communications, they probably should have been planning this farther in advance.

The only hint it was a recent decision was they only last month updated the board to HTTPS:

https://forum.biowar...for-everything/

 

Hard to imagine they'd bother if they knew the forum was closing in two months time.

[AlanC9]

@ vbibbi: Come to think of it, maybe our reaction to E3 was the last straw. "See, I told you guys that the boards were counterproductive; nothing we do is ever going to be good enough for these clowns."

[Seraphim24]

It's funny because that was like the only time I actually agree with the criticism. 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I think why they are closing is because this IS the official boards. Random people want to get info about the game usually search for the official boards.

Now imagine you are an EA suit or marketing person.

Is the content of this board really the image you as a company PR slash marketing person want to project?

[vbibbi]

@ vbibbi: Come to think of it, maybe our reaction to E3 was the last straw. "See, I told you guys that the boards were counterproductive; nothing we do is ever going to be good enough for these clowns."

 

It very well could be. But to phrase it in a more realistic voice, I think it would have gone, "Rather than have our video excite people, many people were expecting a trailer at E3, which is a common business practice, especially this close to launch. Rather than go through the stress of feeling like we have to keep to a traditional marketing timetable, I think this confirms that it will be easier on staff to close the forums. That will eliminate any urge they have to pop in and read the community's reactions to any new media we release."

 

I get that having constant scrutiny and criticism of one's work is draining and stressful and not conducive to being happy and productive. But it's not fair to have this situation be completely black and white, poor Bioware is being unjustly monitored in their game development, fans should cut them some slack! Bioware is a professional company with access to marketing and PR; this is not their first major game, it's not even their first game in Frostbite 3. They know how E3 works, how releasing trailers work, how fan communities follow game franchises.

 

For them to be surprised and resentful, as you're implying, because people expected actual game footage at the last E3 before MEA's release date or a formal trailer, is holding Bioware to a lower standard than other game developers. They don't want this type of reaction after years of development with no information? Then they shouldn't have announced the game so many years in advance before it had undergone sufficient development. Or they should have been more up front with what kind of content would be shown at E3.

 

The fact that so many people defending Bioware's business choices boil it down to "poor Bioware, being picked on by the forums" is actually belittling them as a professional company. Like they need special coddling because their PR and community relations are not as smart as peer developers. Bioware is filled with professionals with years of experience behind them, let's treat them as such.

[Laughing_Man]

The fact that so many people defending Bioware's business choices boil it down to "poor Bioware, being picked on by the forums" is actually belittling them as a professional company. Like they need special coddling because their PR and community relations are not as smart as peer developers. Bioware is filled with professionals with years of experience behind them, let's treat them as such.

 

Well said.

[Oldren Shepard]

This isn't the place for you (spinachdiaper), "thankfully" this site will no longer exists, you'll have to find somewhere else for your  cough whining cough opinion in something that isn't come yet.

[Silvos]

@ vbibbi: Come to think of it, maybe our reaction to E3 was the last straw. "See, I told you guys that the boards were counterproductive; nothing we do is ever going to be good enough for these clowns."

 

It would be hilarious if that were the case. Like if they actually believed they put on a good showing at E3 and were expecting it to go over like gangbusters, only to be met with a pretty universal "That's it?" I can actually see that being true since marketing people are pretty much all morons with no grasp on reality. 

[Silvos]

The fact that so many people defending Bioware's business choices boil it down to "poor Bioware, being picked on by the forums" is actually belittling them as a professional company. Like they need special coddling because their PR and community relations are not as smart as peer developers. Bioware is filled with professionals with years of experience behind them, let's treat them as such.

But we've actually heard that from devs. Several of them, in fact. Their delicate sensibilities can't handle the sheer "toxicity" of these forums. It's simply too much for delicate snowflakes to handle. When you foster an attitude of victimization and "I'm special because I'm me" this is the result. No one can handle even constructive criticism because they think it's inexcusable to hurt someone's feelings. It's a worse offense to hurt someone's feelings than to make a lousy product, according to BioWare and the worst(but growing) segment of their fanbase. 

And the only other reasonable explanation is that it's an attempt to quell negative feedback. Their stated reasoning is entirely nonsensical and contradictory. 

[Silvos]

These are the official forums, and they're a place where BioWare can't control the narrative as easily as they can on social media platforms. And I'm sure they remember how often posts here were cited in articles about the ME3 ending backlash.
Don't be so willfully naive.
 

That's just silly and untrue. MORE game studios are providing forums for their fans now, not less. And the logic of closing down the primary venue for feedback and interaction because there are social media alternatives makes no sense. It's like smashing your toilet because you have plastic bottles to pee in.
 

'Wah wah wah you are taking away my forum you suck bioware and so does MEA and i know that because i am super duper smart and can see into the future because I'm edimacated so I wont buy the game sight unseen now.'

It's funny to see a child call other people childish.

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[Arcian]

It's truly mind-boggling that Bioware employees wouldn't want to give you a soapbox to stand on.

/s

[Drone223]

But we've actually heard that from devs. Several of them, in fact. Their delicate sensibilities can't handle the sheer "toxicity" of these forums. It's simply too much for delicate snowflakes to handle. When you foster an attitude of victimization and "I'm special because I'm me" this is the result. No one can handle even constructive criticism because they think it's inexcusable to hurt someone's feelings. It's a worse offense to hurt someone's feelings than to make a lousy product, according to BioWare and the worst(but growing) segment of their fanbase. 

And the only other reasonable explanation is that it's an attempt to quell negative feedback. Their stated reasoning is entirely nonsensical and contradictory. 

To be fair I've have seen some posts aim towards the dev's that are down right nasty and inexcusable and the dev's shouldn't have to put up with that (especially with what happened to one of the DA:2 dev's). But other than that I agree with you the best way to deal with "toxicity" is better forum moderation and improved site rules, closing down the forums is counterproductive and will harm Bioware in the long run. A lot of the criticism and feedback I've seen on the forums was very genuine and warranted if Bioware wants to improve their products they should face the music.

[Silvos]

/s

 

Don't you love the tacit admission that this is about silencing players coupled with the smugness of unwitting conformity?

[Silvos]

To be fair I've have seen some posts aim towards the dev's that are down right nasty and inexcusable and the dev's shouldn't have to put up with that (especially with what happened to one of the DA:2 dev's). But other than that I agree with you the best way to deal with "toxicity" is better forum moderation and improved site rules, closing down the forums is counterproductive and will harm Bioware in the long run. A lot of the criticism and feedback I've seen on the forums was very genuine and warranted if Bioware wants to improve their products they should face the music.

 

I assume you're talking about the "Hamburger" Hepler crapstorm? That was a campaign waged elsewhere(Twitter, 4chan and reddit), not here. Here she only faced criticism for being a game developer that doesn't like games.

[Drone223]

I assume you're talking about the "Hamburger" Hepler crapstorm? That was a campaign waged elsewhere(Twitter, 4chan and reddit), not here. Here she only faced criticism for being a game developer that doesn't like games.

Okay thanks for clarifying.