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[Chiramu]

Red Templars are stronger than the mages. If you want an easier time go side with the Templars . The behemoth boss in Haven is WAY harder then the mage boss in Haven.

[TheAtomicSurvivor]

Red Templars are stronger than the mages. If you want an easier time go side with the Templars . The behemoth boss in Haven is WAY harder then the mage boss in Haven.

 

And I have always found the opposite. The templars to me are easier. 

[GoldenGail3]

Becuase Hushed Whispers is a shitty quest. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I would not conscript the Rebel Mages because the Rebel Mages story arc shows us that the Rebel Mages were manipulated by time magic, a type of magic which was unheard of and unknown and not thought to be possible.

 

Yes, the story arc was not done well, time travel is not easy to write properly and Bioware botched the questline up but bad writing should not be used as an excuse to justify conscription. Examples of botching up is the lack of exposition and explanation of how the Inquisition still manages to meet Fiona despite the altered timeline and is the time magic Alexius used global or local (by that I mean did it only affect Redcliffe and nowhere else), etc.

 

By contrast, the Templar Order was led by an Envy Demon who impersonated Lord Seeker Lucius who allowed it to happen willingly and willfully with his full consent. Fiona was misled and lied to by Alexius via his time magic. Furthermore, unlike the Rebel Mages, the Templar Order knows of the existence of Envy Demons and what it can do whereas prior to Alexius and the Breach, no one really thought proper time travel via magic was even possible.

 

Sure, the general Theodosian society does not react well to the Inquisition allying with the Rebel Mages but they did not have the information that the protagonist is privy to. More importantly, the Rebel Mages have children along with them. Conscripting children into the service of an organization is as soldiers is highly unethical (there is a reason people look down on organizations who have child soldiers in real life such as terrorist groups) whereas the Templar Order is disbanded and the Templars are recruited into Inquisition as soldiers (and they are soldiers to begin with).

 

Last but not the least, conscripting mages into circles had lead to the situation we have at the moment. To perform the same thing over and over again, expecting different results is to be insane.

 

Personally, I think that Circles of Magi should exist and that mages should either self govern or work with the administration (monarchy) within each nation and find common ground.

 

I am genuinely against the idea of having any religion, which is by its nature dogmatic and theocratic manage magic, which requires knowledge, critical thinking, and understanding in the same way I am against the religious meddling with science and scientific endeavors in real life.

 

We do not need a group of people who rely on primitive superstitious nonsensical bullsh*t to meddle with and watch over a group whose primary purpose is knowledge, research, education, etc.

 

Worse still, I am against religious organizations who mislead and scam gullible innocents into consuming highly addictive substance in order to be their army and to watch over mages because their faith demands it and because it somehow equates to serving a nonexistent father figure deity.

 

As for concerns regarding bad magical practices, to my knowledge, ethics, morals, ethical standards and moral guidelines can be created and enforced without religion or without misleading common people to consume dangerously addictive substances. Personally, I have no problems with Templar as a fighting style in the same way I have no problem with Reaver as a fighting style or Seeker as a fighting style but Reavers are not lied to, not mislead and not held on a leash of a religion. If people want to become Templars, they should do it of their own choosing, independent of nonsensical religious influence.

[thesuperdarkone2]

We have no idea how many of those under Fiona's leadership were fully on board with Tevinter's mage supremacy.

In the conscript route, surprise, you find out that not all of the mages are precious babies who need to be protected
"Located the cell. Fifteen mages. Materials suggest they are building explosives similar to the one used in Kirkwall. Targets are unknown."

Sure sounds like a nice bunch I should excuse and grant autonomy to.

Pretty sure that is taking about a group of terrorists outside of the Inquisition

[Voidinist]

Pretty sure that is taking about a group of terrorists outside of the Inquisition

 

That some of the rebel mages are apparently connected to. Oddly enough, we don't hear anything about it if we ally with them.

[thesuperdarkone2]

That some of the rebel mages are apparently connected to. Oddly enough, we don't hear anything about it if we ally with them.

Nothing indicates the rebel mages are related to them. Could you show where the rebel mages are related to the terrorists?
http://dragonage.wik.../The_Extremists

[Voidinist]

Nothing indicates the rebel mages are related to them. Could you show where the rebel mages are related to the terrorists?
http://dragonage.wik.../The_Extremists

 

They are related as it comes directly as a consequence of conscripting the rebel mages.

 

Where else am I supposed to infer that this information of terrorist groups came from? Why do you not get this information if you don't conscript them?

 

Is it so unbelievable that they're related? We know that some of them were completely happy with joining Tevinter and the game doesn't make us question that if we ally with them. Fiona herself says that some of the rebels are displeased with being penned in again and earlier in the game some of the mages actually attack guards in an attempt to escape.

[thesuperdarkone2]

They are related as it comes directly as a consequence of conscripting the rebel mages.

Where else am I supposed to infer that this information of terrorist groups came from? Why do you not get this information if you don't conscript them?

Is it so unbelievable that they're related? We know that some of them were completely happy with joining Tevinter and the game doesn't make us question that if we ally with them. Fiona herself says that some of the rebels are displeased with being penned in again and earlier in the game some of the mages actually attack guards in an attempt to escape.

So in other words you don't actually have any proof and are just making assumptions.

Also, remind me why we never recruit the Hasmal Templars if we ally with the Templars?

[Voidinist]

So in other words you don't actually have any proof and are just making assumptions.

Also, remind me why we never recruit the Hasmal Templars if we ally with the Templars?

 

No, it blatantly comes as a consequence of conscripting the mages like Negotiate with Hasmal's Templars is a consequence of disbanding the Templar Order and I don't know how to make this any clearer to someone who thinks the rebels are above criminal acts to get what they want even when they've done so previously.

 

I've yet to find any valid reason why we shouldn't be able to recruit the Hasmal Templars if we ally with the Templars other than balancing and incentive to choose the other options and I've yet to be given any reason why i shouldn't infer that The Extremists is a direct consequence of conscripting the mages. If you ally with the mages, it can be explained in that they are free to do as they please and have no reason to rebel further. And if you side with the Templars, these terrorist groups don't exist at all because the mages have become a part of the Venatori.

[Tidus]

I always make the mages full allies instead of conscripting them after all Blackwall mentions the fact that nobody fights well for their captors. Why would a mage not make them a full ally?

[thesuperdarkone2]

No, it blatantly comes as a consequence of conscripting the mages like Negotiate with Hasmal's Templars is a consequence of disbanding the Templar Order and I don't know how to make this any clearer to someone who thinks the rebels are above criminal acts to get what they want even when they've done so previously.

I've yet to find any valid reason why we shouldn't be able to recruit the Hasmal Templars if we ally with the Templars other than balancing and incentive to choose the other options and I've yet to be given any reason why i shouldn't infer that The Extremists is a direct consequence of conscripting the mages. If you ally with the mages, it can be explained in that they are free to do as they please and have no reason to rebel further. And if you side with the Templars, these terrorist groups don't exist at all because the mages have become a part of the Venatori.

Ever heard of correlation is not causation? Just because you conscript the mages doesn't mean they are related to the terrorists, especially considering the operation never references the conscripted rebels.

Seems it's more like you are grasping at straws to hate on mages more

[Voidinist]

Ever heard of correlation is not causation? Just because you conscript the mages doesn't mean they are related to the terrorists, especially considering the operation never references the conscripted rebels.

Seems it's more like you are grasping at straws to hate on mages more

 

Yeah, that's it. I'm glad we walked through this together because otherwise I would have never realized that about myself.

 

At least I'll always have the fact that conscripting the mages leads to The Extremists and I'll never be without evidence to support that in my mage-hating agenda unlike that whole codex debacle. Which, speaking of, correlation =/= causation never seemed to apply to for some reason. 

[Abyss108]

So because 15 mages may have been terrorists and may have hid with the rebel mages, the hundreds other mages included children must be too and deserve to be punished? Seems very dangerous to generalise people like that...

[TheAtomicSurvivor]

So because 15 mages may have been terrorists and may have hid with the rebel mages, the hundreds other mages included children must be too and deserve to be punished? Seems very dangerous to generalise people like that...

 

As said, I would have much preferred to have arrested Fiona and allowed the other guy who already seemed to be second in command lead. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Yeah, that's it. I'm glad we walked through this together because otherwise I would have never realized that about myself.

At least I'll always have the fact that conscripting the mages leads to The Extremists and I'll never be without evidence to support that in my mage-hating agenda unlike that whole codex debacle. Which, speaking of, correlation =/= causation never seemed to apply to for some reason.

Aw I know it hurts knowing that conscripted mages don't become terrorists. Not surprising that Mage haters would rather use confirmation bias than face reality

This also reminds me how Templar supporters used a codex in the hissing wastes that had a Venatori refer to circle mages to justify their beliefs that all circle mages turn out to be blood mages while ignoring that that codex is literally the same if you side with the mages and thus there aren't any rebel mages in the Venatori, meaning that Venatori was referring to mages from the Tevinter circles. Funny how Templar supporters conveniently ignored that.

Then again, that just reinforces my point that Templar supporters would rather use confirmation bias than accept reality

[thesuperdarkone2]

As said, I would have much preferred to have arrested Fiona and allowed the other guy who already seemed to be second in command lead.

What second in command? That elf dude just seemed like another average mage

[Voidinist]

Aw I know it hurts knowing that conscripted mages don't become terrorists. Not surprising that Mage haters would rather use confirmation bias than face reality

 

Unfortunately BSN will close before you find that codex.   

[thesuperdarkone2]

Unfortunately BSN will close before you find that codex.

Funny how you left out the rest of my quote

[Voidinist]

Funny how you left out the rest of my quote

 

"Then again, that just reinforces my point that Templar supporters would rather use confirmation bias than accept reality"

 

Find that codex yet?

[thesuperdarkone2]

"Then again, that just reinforces my point that Templar supporters would rather use confirmation bias than accept reality"

Find that codex yet?

Funny how ignored my rest

[Voidinist]

Funny how ignored my rest

 

So...

 

still no codex, huh

[CoM Solaufein]

Because my Inky is an elven mage and it would be awkward to enslave fellow mages.

 

But in one game I had a mage enslave them, just to be different.

[thesuperdarkone2]

So...

still no codex, huh

That makes me think, where are Templar supporters going to go considering they are a vocal minority? Man, watching them scramble will be fun

Also, you still haven't proven how conscripted mages are related to terrorists

[Voidinist]

That makes me think, where are Templar supporters going to go considering they are a vocal minority? Man, watching them scramble will be fun

Also, you still haven't proven how conscripted mages are related to terrorists

 

Well, personally, when I need hysterical pro mage freedom arguments I'll find myself on Tumblr.

 

I have already explained this. Continue to pretend that I haven't if you will, that's more your problem than it is mine. Much like that tricksy codex that eludes you as if it never existed.