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[AlanC9]

I'd say in most cases it is something like this: Google....BioWare forums. People are not going to search all over hells half acre to find the venue just to ask a question. I certainly wouldn't for games other than BioWare games.

Google, yes. Then here? I don't think that's too likely. Google "Dragon Age Viddasala strategy" and there's only one link from this board on the first page of results. Worse still, that's a worthless link; the only mention of "strategy" on the page comes from the forum header since it's on the Combat, Strategy, and Gameplay board. The page is actually being linked to because it contains a datamined list of new schematics, which was popular and frequently linked.

We can try a few more, but I've never seen Google point me at this board for those questions, except for the Suicide Mission Guide. Information on this board is typically too fragmented for any individual page to get a good PageRank.

[Terminator Force]

I think I discovered this forum via ME3mp resource library on some site with links to old BSN. Because obviously all the best information come from dedicated forums like this one.

[Eelectrica]

If its a marketing ploy, I'd call it an epic failure at this point.

[ZipZap2000]

Wait what? They are shutting down these forums? o.O

Oh, this made laugh hard.

To the end of the forums!

*Lifts Ryncol*

[mrs_anomaly]

Google, yes. Then here? I don't think that's too likely. Google "Dragon Age Viddasala strategy" and there's only one link from this board on the first page of results. Worse still, that's a worthless link; the only mention of "strategy" on the page comes from the forum header since it's on the Combat, Strategy, and Gameplay board. The page is actually being linked to because it contains a datamined list of new schematics, which was popular and frequently linked.
We can try a few more, but I've never seen Google point me at this board for those questions, except for the Suicide Mission Guide. Information on this board is typically too fragmented for any individual page to get a good PageRank.

I've done a lot of very specific verbatim Google searches for DAI and been directed to these forums. BSN has some of the best guides for segments of DAI all written by FANS.

[SPACE_GREASER]

Well yes. But from a marketing standpoint, this is a good move. Wrong. But a good move. 

 

I absolutely agree. (Despite being convinced that it's actually EA pushing for this) It's an obvious attempt at controlling the feedback/ overall "image" of the franchise.  I mean, why have a publicly voiced community that holds the product accountable when you can just pay IGN a few grand to flash some cleavage and say "9 out of 10"?

[masster blaster]

Oh, this made laugh hard.

To the end of the forums!

*Lifts Ryncol*

After the stunt they pulled with the Romance section years back. (granted it got a lot weird) and the IT ban with anyone who talks about it gets banned, no more talk about it in general, etc. This feels like the final nail in the coffin. Quite poetic and forth coming.

[masster blaster]

I absolutely agree. (Despite being convinced that it's actually EA pushing for this) It's an obvious attempt at controlling the feedback/ overall "image" of the franchise.  I mean, why have a publicly voiced community that holds the product accountable when you can just pay IGN a couple grand to flash some cleavage and say "9 out of 10"?

Yeap. They cut the head off the snake and did it quite well. Now they can just have all that money once the game comes out and not care.

[SPACE_GREASER]

Yeap. They cut the head off the snake and did it quite well. Now they can just have all that money once the game comes out and not care.

 

Exactly. Somewhere, in some corporate office, a marketing head probably made some kind of irrelevant connection between the sales of their games and the accessibility of user-feedback surrounding them.

 

I don't know, I'd be interested to see what kind of official communities there are with games like "FIFA: 2016" or "UFC: NO ONE GIVES A CRAP". I know that battlefield has battle log, but I think that's more akin to something like N7 HQ (Haven't really used it though).

 

 

 

 

Regardless, in conjunction with the overall direction of the gaming industry as a whole, I have no doubt in my mind that this boils down to $$$ in one way or another.

[masster blaster]

Exactly. Somewhere, in some corporate office, a marketing head probably made some kind of irrelevant connection between the sales of their games and the accessibility of user-feedback surrounding them.

 

I don't know, I'd be surprised to see what kind of developer endorsed communities there are with games like "FIFA: 2016" or "UFC: NO ONE GIVES A CRAP". I know that battlefield has battle log, but I think that's more akin to something like N7 HQ (Haven't really used it though).

 

 

 

 

Regardless, in conjunction with the overall direction of the gaming industry as a whole, I have no doubt in my mind that this boils down to $$$ in one way or another.

Bioware use to be about quality and now it is quantity. "graphics have to look bad ass" " new character every game" " forget lore and make stuff up that seems off yet will not make much sense"

 

Dragon Age: Origins stands as Bioware's crown jew in terms of creating a outstanding game with mild combat system, and outdated graphics YET the overall experiences is what made it great. Now all i hear about ME:A is about how "beautiful" it will look....."takes Frostbite to the max"

[The Arbiter]

It is a marketing scheme. On social media BW/EA have much more control of what they put on the spotlight whereas here in the forums it's no holds barred. Just remember: the whole ME3 ending debacle mushroomed to the mainstream media because of the forums. Here we can scrutinize and theorize about the game in much more detail than in a controlled environment like Twitter or Reddit.

 

This... just go to Facebook or other social media networks people! even Battlefield has a Google+ community page! they have more control there and they can silence anyone who criticize them

[Diablo4evr]

There is one place that MEA WILL (and should) get ripped apart if it sucks. That'll be Metacritic's User Rating. Say what you will about that place and the fact that some tards like to give 0s to games they've probably never played (or 10s because they probably made it...), it still has the obvious effect of game reviewer pandering when there is a noticeably large difference between the critic and user scores. With all the hate the decision to close this place is generating, not to mention the leftover anger from ME3, I could see the User Rating getting hit really hard if MEA isn't up to scratch. The myth that the user rating there is worthless is slowly dying when it becomes more and more obvious when a game's review score is so obviously bought or when they're trying to push an agenda.

 

To answer your question Sinful, of course it is. Like I've said previously, rather than make the game genuinely good, they would rather control dissenting opinions. No doubt 9s and 10s will fly everywhere from reviewers and hey look, MEA is an awesome game! Whereas in reality, it couldn't be further from the truth... But people will get suckered into it and because they haven't got an official place to hear complaints, they'll just point to sales figures and talk about how happy their fanbase is ie. all the brown nosers on Facebook, Twitter etc.

 

They may have closed the most vocal part of their fanbase down preempting what will no doubt be a s***** game, but there are still ways to hit them hard should they fail... I really hope the game turns out to be good, but the fact that everything is being kept so quiet and now shutting this place down? I wouldn't hold my breath... Either way, I see Bioware/EA making a lot of money out of this game, unless it REALLY sucks. But honestly, I'd put good money on it being mediocre...

 

Welcome to the business of modern AAA games...

 

[Sartoz]

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Or, the Bio studio asked itself:

 

why encourage an open discussion where gamers can disagree? How can I

control the message on my own terms?

[AlanC9]

I've done a lot of very specific verbatim Google searches for DAI and been directed to these forums. BSN has some of the best guides for segments of DAI all written by FANS.

Sure, the more specific a question the more likely it directs here. That's how fragmentation works; we're more likely to have a page about a highly-specific topic, particularly a lore topic, than a wiki or other guide would.

[Laughing_Man]

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Welcome to the business of modern AAA games...

 

It's a tad early to denounce ME:A as a bad game.

 

But I do agree regarding the usefulness of user score in metacritic, and similarly Steam reviews, in light of how unreliable gaming media is in general.

I raised this point myself a few times.

[ApocAlypsE007]

Nah this is the end. I dunno if ME:A will see the light of day, all I know that Bioware is going the same route as Westwood RIP. Sigh... we are left with only CDPR...

[Beerfish]

This... just go to Facebook or other social media networks people! even Battlefield has a Google+ community page! they have more control there and they can silence anyone who criticize them

 

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Or, the Bio studio asked itself:

 

why encourage an open discussion where gamers can disagree? How can I

control the message on my own terms?

I don't even have an issue with this to be honest, not ideal but if Bio essentially said, listen our forums are going to be for discussion, info transfer and a place for people to meet however we are not going to tolerate any overly negative threads or posts about our company or EA., for that use other non company resources.  I'd have no issue with that.  Some people would get bent out of shape, tough.

 

If the solution to lack of BioWare interest in these forums and the thought that they don't like neg pub on their own forums is to shut the forums down and remove all the GOOD aspects and uses of forums then it's a mistake. 

 

There are more defenders of bioware games than haters on these forums.

[Terminator Force]

This quote is from the locked Chris Priestly thread by popster Element Zero, but relevant here; https://forum.biowar...eciation-thread

 

I hate that we're losing this place. I do thing it's because BioWare would rather not have us gathered together in one big hornets nest when MEA launches. It's easier to ignore the inevitable vitriol when we are dispersed across the Internet. I could be wrong.

 

 

No, I think you're right.

[Red Panda]

I've done a lot of very specific verbatim Google searches for DAI and been directed to these forums. BSN has some of the best guides for segments of DAI all written by FANS.

Especially the resource libraries for ME3MP and DAIMP.

[The Arbiter]

Nah this is the end. I dunno if ME:A will see the light of day, all I know that Bioware is going the same route as Westwood RIP. Sigh... we are left with only CDPR...

 

imagine CDPR being bought by EA... fok me

[Bfler]

Nah this is the end. I dunno if ME:A will see the light of day, all I know that Bioware is going the same route as Westwood RIP. Sigh... we are left with only CDPR...

There are enough other developers of good RPGs like Obsidian or Larian.

[ApocAlypsE007]

imagine CDPR being bought by EA... fok me

EA actually tried to do so but failed.

 

There are enough other developers of good RPGs like Obsidian or Larian.

Obsidian games are buggy and not so fun to play. Midway through Pillars of Eternity I would wish it actually ended as the battle outcome is decided in the first 5 seconds, making it frustrating to play.

I liked DoS and I'm eagerly waiting for DoS2, but i'm not as invested as in Bioware games. While the gameplay is excellent (if a bit easy), the story is completely out there with nonsense, and the customization is weak.

[Ahriman]

There are enough other developers of good RPGs like Obsidian or Larian.

I'm more concerned about possible void in Space Opera genre if something goes wrong with MEA. It will take CDPR a decade to finally get there. And Larian or Obsidian, no matter how I respect that latter, will never have enough money for a proper AAA game.

[SPACE_GREASER]

And my god can you guys imagine the nightmare that technical support will turn into once they torch this place?? I guess that's another nice chunk of money they get to save when you're stuck using origin from now on for all your "wtf bioware" needs.

 

Haha I mean, I'm not the only one who's had to deal with "EA tech support" before, right?

[Kelwing]

imagine CDPR being bought by EA... fok me