I'm so sorry for your loss. I'll never forget the 10 million and the atrocities of the shoah.
Yeah, equating the words of a gaming dev to the genocide of millions of innocents is just...I don't know. It's just so beyond rationality as to boggle the mind. There are actually fans out there that think Priestly would gas them for disagreements on a game forum? 
Yeah, equating the words of a gaming dev to the genocide of millions of innocents is just...I don't know. It's just so beyond rationality as to boggle the mind. There are actually fans out there that think Priestly would gas them for disagreements on a game forum?
Hey now, be respectful. This man's grandmother was one of the 12 million, you should never forget her suffering and his lingering trauma.
Bioware and their fans don't really seem to like each other.
It's true we've not always treated them as well as we should, we've not sugar-coated our opinions of their failed creative endeavours and we've sometimes worried them over our particular kinks in the bedroom.
Still, we've shown them a lot of support and dedication for all these years, because we honestly do care and appreciate them, regardless of the occasional criticism and arguments we've had over certain things.
So it does feel like a bit of a slap in the face that Bioware is acting like a bit of a drama queen here. Not only are they effectively dumping their community with this move, but they're effectively changing the locks and setting fire to all the mementos of our time together.
Er, I didn't mean to endorse the post with the Priestly image, I merely wanted to point out that your OP was also about Priestly, how shall I say it... talking not very nicely about BSN and Gaider liking it? Sorry if I expressed myself badly.What? I'm serious, that post attacking Priest crossed a line. I hate it when people attack looks.
Yeah, the thing is that BioWare insulted ALL of us. Not just the people they seem to perceive as "toxic" - if that is even the real reason for the forum shutdown. And apparently the grudges are so deep that even people who no longer work at BioWare felt the need to join in. And yet for some reason I'm not overly surprised.But let me get something straight.
Reddit, and especially any other gaming forum (CDPR, you name it) is going to have 50 times the number of toxic, rude posts - more than BSN could ever match, any day of the week.
People are bitter and toxic right now, understandably so, because Bioware insulted us. Bioware is toxic.
So I understand the cause, I understand the source, but it doesn't mean I condone crossing all and any lines in reaction.
Yeah, equating the words of a gaming dev to the genocide of millions of innocents is just...I don't know. It's just so beyond rationality as to boggle the mind. There are actually fans out there that think Priestly would gas them for disagreements on a game forum?
No one really thinks that, at least not the ones who know that a lot of fine posters on this forum here are white supremacists.
Didn't Priestly get fired from BioWare for sucking at his job? Lol. And David has never hidden his hatred for these forums. Not surprised at all by those comments, those two continue to live down to my expectations in the Twitter arena.
But they're such virtuous individuals. Don't you understand? They're so much better than us disgusting peasants.
Er, I didn't mean to endorse the post with the Priestly image, I merely wanted to point out that your OP was also about Priestly, how shall I say it... talking not very nicely about BSN and Gaider liking it? Sorry if I expressed myself badly.
Yeah, the thing is that BioWare insulted ALL of us. Not just the people they seem to perceive as "toxic" - if that is even the real reason for the forum shutdown. And apparently the grudges are so deep that even people who no longer work at BioWare felt the need to join in. And yet for some reason I'm not overly surprised.
Anyway, I didn't mean to mess up your thread. If you wish, I'll poof my posts.
It's a shame that the devs no longer come here because they feel that toxic elements are rampant, when it's usually limited to certain sections of the forum and the vast majority of forum-goers are friendly, polite and enjoy having constructive conversations.
Now if the devs want to criticise the forums for having a lack of decent moderation, then that's a fair point. Many have noted that the rules are often ignored or enforced at whim, the mods have at times cracked down more on those trying to stop the trolls than the actual trolls themselves, while minor infractions are sometimes treated as if they were capital offenses.
But that's not to say the mods are responsible for this state of affairs either.
The issue is that the forum seems to have been abandoned, with the devs seem to jump ship about 18 months ago (at least that's the last time I recall seeing one), while the mods seem to have been phoning it in for the past 6 months or so.
The fanbase has not always conducted themselves with decorum and there are toxic elements to be sure. But it's a great disservice to the many dedicated fans who have made this community a wonderful place to be, to suddenly be told that it's their fault it's being shutdown.
We might have trolls who heckle and derail topics, but at least they still bother to show up! Can we honestly say the same about the devs?
Reading more of David's tweets rather than just isolating out these few for criticism, his issue isn't poor moderation, but that he thinks the place had become basically impossible to moderate.
I can sympathize to a certain extent with the feeling, if not the solution.
Reading more of David's tweets rather than just isolating out these few for criticism, his issue isn't poor moderation, but that he thinks the place had become basically impossible to moderate.
I can sympathize to a certain extent with the feeling, if not the solution.
They needed to keep on top of things but by the time they realised that they had lost the "everyone loves Bioware" feeling of their fans, it was too late for them to try and get it back.
Could they have pulled things back? Yes of course they could, but by that point they likely considered it too much effort. I've never seen a company lose the trust of its fan base in such a short time as happened with Bioware. Hell it even took Konami longer than this.
In the end, we can only speculate. To me, the nameless BioMods have "outsourced" written all over them. And why would the forum be considered impossible to moderate, I wonder? It's not that overly big, and pretty much every other video game company seems to get the job done one fashion or other.
I think at least part of the perceived impossibility of moderation is caused by the debates about gender, diversity and other social topics that popped up regularly. Instead of outlawing that topic like many forums do with say politics or religion, the moderators let those go along as long as enough people had the right opinion. But whenever the dissenters somehow gained a critical mass, they had to go through huge threads to clean them up, which I can imagine is no small task. It's also something that, as far as I know, very few video game forums have to deal with.
When they create games with such a diverse cast then debates like those are to be expected.
Bioware games have always had this and it could not have come as a surprise to them that things such as racism and sexual orientation would become a hotter topic as their games featured those subjects in greater detail. If they genuinely didn't realise that then they must live in a idealistic utopia and not the real world.
They needed to keep a eye on such subject from the very beginning, not try and rush band aid patches when things were already in full flow.
They are outsourced. One of the devs here said it was a company named "Mod Squad" or something like that.
Outlawing real world social issues might have been something they could have done, the way they outlawed political discussion in off-topic. But that didn't stop them from nuking off-topic anyway, a year before this.
Gaider was always a sensitive little gal and Priestly was always a lazy community manager. They openly complained about the BSN when they still worked for BioWare. Gaider would go full hissy-fit over the dumbest little things, SJW-inspired and otherwise, and Priestly was fired. Hardly objective sources for the general attitude of the devs toward the BSN. Jessica Marzipan has a stress disorder(or something along those lines) and yet she never once complained about the BSN or the fans so that should tell you something about the precious princesses at BioWare, complaining about the unbearable stress of fan interaction.
Please delete that post. Directly attacking someone's appearance is never okay.
Sure it is. Just look at Donald Trump's orange spray-tan, tiny little hands and stupid combover. Or Priestly's body.
Reading more of David's tweets rather than just isolating out these few for criticism, his issue isn't poor moderation, but that he thinks the place had become basically impossible to moderate.
I can sympathize to a certain extent with the feeling, if not the solution.
I can understand the sentiment and the mod situation we've had lately could definitely be improved.
But it's a bit of an overreaction for Bioware to shut down the forums because they believe it's devolved into anarchy, when they've not bothered to check in since forever, not have they tried to do anything to reverse it.
I remember how insane this place got post-ME3 and that's when it seems a lot of the devs jumped ship. Have any of them even stuck their head in the door to see how the general mood of the place has been since then, because I don't think the common accusation of the forums being "toxic" has been true for a while?
We do have some bad neighbourhoods that it's better to avoid, but the way the devs seem to trash-talk this forum, you'd think it was Chernobyl?
Remember CardButton's thread detailing out a dual-protagonist Dragon Age 4?
Remember DAIGepher and Almostfaceman's debate about Viddasala?
The Elvehn discussions in the 6,000+ Solas thread?
I've lurked more than I've posted, but these forums really had the best threads of any forum I've frequented.
I remember how insane this place got post-ME3 and that's when it seems a lot of the devs jumped ship. Have any of them even stuck their head in the door to see how the general mood of the place has been since then, because I don't think the common accusation of the forums being "toxic" has been true for a while?
We do have some bad neighbourhoods that it's better to avoid, but the way the devs seem to trash-talk this forum, you'd think it was Chernobyl?
I've wondered about this. I wasn't around till DAI, and haven't seen that much toxicity, or at least not more so than any of the other official forums.
I shouldn't have clicked on that spoiler tag.
At this point, we're beating a dead horse.
There are more good fans than bad fans. The problem is that a small handful of bad people, if determined enough, can destroy the good reputation of an entire group.
Pretty much shows that they're a bunch of uptight SJW who got stuck in gaming cause they couldn't find employment else where. Probably dreamed about being a best selling writer or a film critic.
Naturally only the most hardcore of biodrones will defend them.
Not even. Bioware is an insular, insensitive, and unprofessional team, who aren't able to handle serious gamers, nor develop games for them. Sorry.At this point, we're beating a dead horse.
There are more good fans than bad fans. The problem is that a small handful of bad people, if determined enough, can destroy the good reputation of an entire group.
Not even. Bioware is an insular, insensitive, and unprofessional team, who aren't able to handle serious gamers, nor develop games for them. Sorry.
I've never been this harsh until this moment.
I'm still waiting to hear someone justify Manveer Heir's white tears mug and explain how it fits with Bioware's ideologies. That and why this forum's going down but he's still working on the next project.
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