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[Addictress]

I always defended Bioware for Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2. I am not blindly hateful. This tweet did it for me.

And don't write me off as some 15-year-old kid from Texas. I'm a grown-*** woman, who in a few months' time will be climbing the corporate ladder in the central hub of Los Angeles. If I succeed, I will influence every media insider I find. I will find them, have drinks with them.

And then in the course of the evening, I will take out my phone and show this Chris Priestly tweet to their face. And I will say, "Bioware is an insular, insensitive, and unprofessional team, who aren't able to handle serious gamers, nor develop games for them."

Little by little my opinion will spread in high places.

[CoM Solaufein]

Not even. Bioware is an insular, insensitive, and unprofessional team, who aren't able to handle serious gamers, nor develop games for them. Sorry.

I've never been this harsh until this moment.

That became that way ever since the Evil Empire took over.

Back in the old days I recall the developers interacting with the fans at the major Baldur's Gate game site forums. Dragon's Breathe Forge was one of them, I used to be a moderator there. These days devs are too busy with their thumbs stuck up their asses.

[goofyomnivore]

I'm still waiting to hear someone justify Manveer Heir's white tears mug and explain how it fits with Bioware's ideologies. That and why this forum's going down but he's still working on the next project.

Dang I forgot about him. Last time I saw his name Kal'Reegar was giving him a twitter beatdown.

[roselavellan]

I always defended Bioware for Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2. I am not blindly hateful. This tweet did it for me.

 

I have to say, I was shocked at the tactlessness of the tweets, both Gaider's and Priestly's. However they are ex-employees of Bioware, so I can't really fault BW for what they said.... although no one at BW has commented on their tweets, so I guess that in itself seems like a silent affirmation by BW.

[Shechinah]

I have to say, I was shocked at the tactlessness of the tweets, both Gaider's and Priestly's. However they are ex-employees of Bioware, so I can't really fault BW for what they said.... although no one at BW has commented on their tweets, so I guess that in itself seems like a silent affirmation by BW.

 
I don't blame Bioware either because, as you said, the two are former employees and so were expressing a personal opinion. Chris Priestly may have meant the "Bye Felicia" comment in more of a joking manner but apparently he has made other posts that seem to be less in this manner. I still find the behavior of both tactless and rather rude to the number of fans that are here that have only been polite and never resorte to personal insults or toxic behavior. This is if it was intended as such.

 

 Chris Priestly may be the worse of it if only because of the post he made in the Concerning Our Forums thread;  https://forum.biowar...8#entry20412271
 
I do find Bioware's handling of the situation rather disrespectful since I would have considered it only courteous of them to provide the actual reason for why the forums are being shut down. I question the reasons provided because of how... nonsensical they are. I like to give Bioware more credit than believe that those are the legitimate reasons for why they are making this move.

[JobacNoor]

Bioware is obviously not responsible for any of their opinions now that neither is with the company anymore. Doesn't make it any less insulting, since while not currently at Bioware, they're not exactly just two random people either when it comes to this place and the people in it.

[Shechinah]

For those curious as to what other posts I was referencing in regards to Chris Priestly;
 

Speaking of Priestly, here's a little exchange from EAware's Facebook page:

(Poster A) "I guess BioWare doesn't value community or the feedback that community provides...
That or Andromeda is really going to s*ck and they just don't want to deal with the criticism (I say this as a long time fan of the Mass Effect games - including ME3 - who was / kind of still is looking forward to Andromeda)."


(Poster B ) "Or maybe they are tired of being torn about by people who clam to be their fans. Constructive criticism is one thing but right now you have people who act more like online bully's then fans who want to give legit feedback."


(Poster A) "Sure there are some bullies - every forum has those - but most of the people I've conversed with on the BioWare forums have provided some great insights. Or, at the very least, provided some great discussions."


(BioWare) "We value and seek out the feedback our players give us. Despite the closure, we will always be listening."


(Poster A) "Since you're closing your own forums, where exactly will you be doing this listening?"


(Chris Priestly) "[Poster A] being a prime negative example of why the forums need to be closed. Instead of looking for new opportunities, dwell on negatives and criticize without factual basis."

Apparently asking them where they plan to listen to the fan feedback they keep saying they care about so much is a prime example of why the forum needs to be shut down.

 

Note: The reason I used the word apparently was because I could not verify that the exchange had taken place myself.

[Shechinah]

I've wondered about this. I wasn't around till DAI, and haven't seen that much toxicity, or at least not more so than any of the other official forums.

 

From what I've heard and from what I've experienced myself, the forums can become very hostile a while after a game has been released but, and this is an important but, the forums do calm down after a while and allow for friendly and constructive discussions as well as feedback. This is part of why I disagree with the notion that the Bioware forums are more hostile or toxic than other forums because the bad periods tend to always be during releases and always tend to settle down. The bad is not a constant.

 

Back during the release of Dragon Age: Inquisition and note this is based on my memory of the time, each forum section of the Inquisition forums became a base a specific sentiment on the game. Now, people can freely express various feelings and opinions on the game no matter what forum section they are in.

[ModernAcademic]

 
I don't blame Bioware either because, as you said, the two are former employees and so were expressing a personal opinion. Chris Priestly may have meant the "Bye Felicia" comment in more of a joking manner but apparently he has made other posts that seem to be less in this manner. I still find the behavior of both tactless and rather rude to the number of fans that are here that have only been polite and never resorte to personal insults or toxic behavior. This is if it was intended as such.

 

 Chris Priestly may be the worse of it if only because of the post he made in the Concerning Our Forums thread;  https://forum.biowar...8#entry20412271
 
I do find Bioware's handling of the situation rather disrespectful since I would have considered it only courteous of them to provide the actual reason for why the forums are being shut down. I question the reasons provided because of how... nonsensical they are. I like to give Bioware more credit than believe that those are the legitimate reasons for why they are making this move.

 

If he really did write a lengthy polite goodbye on the BSN and then rushed off to snigger behind our backs with Gaider on Twitter, then he's unaware he has the same attitude as that of a handful of ill-intended users who often come here to incite fights and cause trouble.

 

He has the same toxic mindset some of the BW employees have accused the community of having, regardless of whom they were pointing their fingers at.

 

Best of luck to him and to his sarcastic friend. The two are alarmingly unaware of how they are projecting a very poor professional public image.

[Shechinah]

If he really did write a lengthy polite goodbye on the BSN and then rushed off to snigger behind our backs with Gaider on Twitter, then he's unaware he has the same attitude as that of a handful of ill-intended users who often come here to incite fights and cause trouble.

 

He has the same toxic mindset some of the BW employees have accused the community of having, regardless of whom they were pointing their fingers at.

 

It's the insincerity that bothers me but mostly the percieved insincerity by Bioware; I did not know Chris Priestly so the percieved insincerity by him is something I dislike but not something I am personally bothered by if that makes any sense.
 

[ModernAcademic]

It's the insincerity that bothers me but mostly the percieved insincerity by Bioware; I did not know Chris Priestly so the percieved insincerity by him is something I dislike but not something I am personally bothered by if that makes any sense.

 

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Someone at the Concerning our Forums thread had mentioned how Priestly also got into trouble for saying something while working for CDPR and how the company didn't like his statement one bit. So he should really mind what he says more often.

 

Here, I found a link:

 

Chris Priestly apologises about his GamerGate remark

[roselavellan]

From what I've heard and from what I've experienced myself, the forums can become very hostile a while after a game has been released but, and this is an important but, the forums do calm down after a while and allow for friendly and constructive discussions as well as feedback. This is part of why I disagree with the notion that the Bioware forums are more hostile or toxic than other forums because the bad periods tend to always be during releases and always tend to settle down. The bad is not a constant.

 

Right, this is probably normal for any online discussion, whether it's on official forums or Reddit, as fans get used to new material.

[SnakeCode]

Thankfully CDPR are smart enough to know that insulting your own customers is the last thing you want out of your community manager.

[Addictress]

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Someone at the Concerning our Forums thread had mentioned how Priestly also got into trouble for saying something while working for CDPR and how the company didn't like his statement one bit. So he should really mind what he says more often.

Here, I found a link:

Chris Priestly apologises about his GamerGate remark

Another example of just how much more in tune CDPR is, no matter how terrible GamerGate is.

[Shechinah]

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Someone at the Concerning our Forums thread had mentioned how Priestly also got into trouble for saying something while working for CDPR and how the company didn't like his statement one bit. So he should really mind what he says more often.
 
Here, I found a link:
 
Chris Priestly apologises about his GamerGate remark

 
Seeing these people makes the comments they do about ISIS makes me want to show these people articles of what ISIS is and does. It makes my blood boil.
 
"I could see joining ISIS if they were against gamers"? and "haha I have more respect for ISIS than the anti-Quinn people.", you know what people you would be joining and you know what people you would have respect for?
 
The kind of people who kidnaps people including children to force them to serve them including sexually and brainwashes children into becoming child soldiers including by showing them videos of beheadings that the ISIS have committed. The kind of people who are trying to murder and enslave people because these people do not have the same beliefs as them. A woman was force to serve them out of fear that she and her children would be murdered if she did not. She and her family was fed food by them that contained glass. A father told his daughter that she should kill herself when she was captured because he thought it would be better than what the ISIS had planned for her.
 
Even Cracked, a comedy site, knew how to treat the subject; http://www.cracked.c...ng-slaves-isis/ & http://www.google.dk...YAHMvUzxKczto1g

 

Note: Both the woman and the daughter eventually managed to escape as far as I can recall. I believe the daughter was saved through help of the smugglers that help people escape from ISIS.

[ModernAcademic]

Well, I'm glad CDPR pulled Priestly by the ear. It's more than he deserved for the alienated comment, if you ask me.

[Ph34rsome1]

To be honest, even the "official" reason is rather on the nose, that they're shutting it down because "the devs aren't coming on the forums anymore".

 

Regardless of whether the forums are - or at least perceived to be - toxic, that explanation seems way more about them than it does about us. It's even more telling about the effort being put into maintaining a decent conversation and discourse between the developers and fans.

 

If I go to the Glastonbury music festival and the headliner doesn't show up, that doesn't mean the festival is pointless and should be shut down. The BSN is like a concert where the band has become so apathetic they don't bother showing up any more, because part of the crowd occasionally throw bottles at the stage, ruining it for everyone else who wanted to see them.

 

I'm not accusing the devs of not caring about their fans, but it does seem at times like we're trapped in a relationship that's on the rocks. The devs know how to rock my world with an incredible game... is it too much to ask that they look and speak to me afterwards, y'know?

 

 I don't subscribe to this notion. You really think that if BSN was still up with MEA out that guys like Mike Gamble or BroJo wouldn't be on the forums? We called him BroJo for a reason. Furthermore, the "toxic" talking point that keeps getting brought up? Sure there was a lot of bashing, but nobody was harrassing them 24/7 or physically abusing. It was just a conundrum of threads CRITICIZING ME3's creative decisions and BioWare's lack of direct interaction at the time (aside from a certain straight shooter on the writing team ).  And if they stopped visiting, then the "toxic" environment wouldn't be an issue, would it?

 

Let's just agree to stop using that word.

[Kroitz]

I don't know what's wrong. I just see two guys who are very sad.

[Addictress]

I don't know what's wrong. I just see two guys who are very sad.

They're not sad, they're rejoicing like two malicious bros who just insulted a dorky chick behind her back and now they're bumping fists and laughing.

[Kroitz]

They're not sad, they're rejoicing like two malicious bros who just insulted a dorky chick behind her back and now they're bumping fists and laughing.

 

I used sad more as a general description rather than a state of mind.

[pdusen]

I'm just gonna leave this here:

 

You are all living in an echo chamber where you are Bioware's fanbase and they've hurt you and everything that you do to hurt them back is their own fault because reasons.

 

At some point, you need to start taking responsibility for the things you do and stop assigning blame.

 

Act like adults, for f**s sake.

[SnakeCode]

I'm just gonna leave this here:

 

You are all living in an echo chamber where you are Bioware's fanbase and they've hurt you and everything that you do to hurt them back is their own fault because reasons.

 

At some point, you need to start taking responsibility for the things you do and stop assigning blame.

 

Act like adults, for f**s sake.

 

No u

[Puddi III]

I'm just gonna leave this here:

 

You are all living in an echo chamber where you are Bioware's fanbase and they've hurt you and everything that you do to hurt them back is their own fault because reasons.

 

At some point, you need to start taking responsibility for the things you do and stop assigning blame.

 

Act like adults, for f**s sake.

 

Goodness, what did we do to you to make you so bitter?

[Nefla]

It's a sad thing to hear and I doubt Chris and David are the only ones who feel that way but rather since they're no longer BioWare employees they're able to actually voice those opinions. The community has definitely had some toxic members and posts going way too far but as someone who's been a forum member for 6 years I have to say that I've found most of the people here to be reasonable if passionate. I myself have often been very critical of BioWare's past few games but I've always tried to be fair and reasonable, backing up criticism with examples, reasons I didn't like X, and suggestions for improvement as well as making sure to list the things I did like. I've known since ME3 released that the devs had been chased away for the most part but I had assumed they knew there was good here as well as the toxic extremists. People having civilized debates, thousands of pages of speculation, art, appreciation of characters, hope for future games and DLCs, hilarious memes and screenshot fails (and free cupcakes in thanks for advertising the female inquisitor )and so on. I'm sad to be wrong, sad that they seem to have painted everyone with the same brush and decided to nuke us all from orbit rather than getting some volunteers to moderate the forums. (Heck, I would have volunteered )

[Reznore57]

I'm just gonna leave this here:

 

You are all living in an echo chamber where you are Bioware's fanbase and they've hurt you and everything that you do to hurt them back is their own fault because reasons.

 

At some point, you need to start taking responsibility for the things you do and stop assigning blame.

 

Act like adults, for f**s sake.

 

You're right I'm going to go on Twitter and mock Bioware and co , and get praised by my followers for my wits.

Picture me with my pinky raised "Oh but the BSN is so filthy" and a bunch of internet meangirls pushing the likes button.

I feel so adult already.