My love for Cassandra is so great that I support her in what she does. The things she tries to do to make the world a better place is admirable and its okay if we have to break up for her to achieve that...
Plus if she becomes Divine, my inquisitor and her can always have a little free time on the side in her room
My Quizzie had a divine Leliana, so he's a happy fellow right now! 
In this way.... 
You love your mother the same way you love your cat?
It can be compared and measured, we have Alistair romance in DA:O, that if you want to sacrifice yourself he simply let you do it, and there is Yennefer romance from Witcher 3, she sacrificed herself to resurrect Geralt.
No it can't. Willingness to sacrifice yourself for someone else is not dependent on love for the person and it would be a unfair element to use in comparison since other companions don't actually get a chance to offer their sacrifice.
Love is as varied as clouds in the sky, there is no correct way to describe how it feels.
Same with Sera, she breaks up with you if you don't stop being dalish.
This is love to you compared to the love of Josephine?
If the Inquisitor truly loved Sera, she would be prepared to give up on her "elfiness".
I don't know all romances in DA, but I think for example Anders and Fenris really loves Hawke, and stays with Hawke until the end, if Hawke care for them.
I don't know all romances in DA, but I think for example Anders and Fenris really loves Hawke, and stays with Hawke until the end, if Hawke care for them.
Sure, Anders loves you that much that he uses you to blow up a chantry, and if you refuse to help him blindly he breaks up with you.
And he has no problem in killing you for his "mage freedom" cause, you can't be in love with an Abomination.
If the Inquisitor truly loved Sera, she would be prepared to give up on her "elfiness".
If the Inquisitor truly loved Sera, she would be prepared to give up on her "elfiness".
If Sera truly loved the Inqusitor, she wouldn't break up with her because of religion.
If the Inquisitor truly loved Sera, she would be prepared to give up on her "elfiness".
Cassandra ends up loving the Inquisitor, even if he does not believe in Andraste, even if he is an elf, even though he's a mage. Three things she normally would have looked at and judged someone for. So, no.
Sera is being immature.
A real relationship, one that's adult, and mature. Is about two people coming together and they don't necessarily have to agree with everything to love each other. That's how relationships work.
Fintan doesn't believe in the Maker, but respects Cassandra for his beliefs. And even with a bit more freedom, he supports her. He may not agree with her on every time, but he finds her passion, her aspiration something to admire to. He'd never ask her to change. Just as much Cassandra has never asked him to change. She becomes acceptant that there will be things they disagree on.
And if we expand this in real life.
That's how real relationships work. I have dated Christian woman before, I am not Christian, nor religious, I'm Aethist. But I never once had someone tell me, that now that we have been dating for IDK 2 months I must give myself to Jesus Christ or else the relationship is over.
A healthy mature relationship is one of disagreements, and communication.
As stated earlier, we need to stop trying to achieve the ideal fairy tale romance. Because it doesn't exist. A relationship is hardwork, but is also love. You will hate each other, disagree, from time to time. But you also love each other, and agree. You need communication and responsibility, but there's no magical perfection in a relationship.
If you love someone you work towards loving them. But that doesn't mean shedding your values or worth for someone.
Sure, Anders loves you that much that he uses you to blow up a chantry, and if you refuse to help him blindly he breaks up with you.
And he has no problem in killing you for his "mage freedom" cause, you can't be in love with an Abomination.
But Hawke betrayed him... not only refused.
But Hawke betrayed him...
How exactly you betray someone because you don't help him with his terrorist things?
How exactly you betray someone because you don't help him with his terrorist things?
Of the romances I've experienced (most of the straight male ones, I think - except Blackwall and IB), I would say Fenris. The way he says, "Nothing could be worse than the thought of living without you", I fully believe it.
I mean, I wish I could say Solas... but I guess we'll see what DA4 brings.
Cassandra ends up loving the Inquisitor, even if he does not believe in Andraste, even if he is an elf, even though he's a mage. Three things she normally would have looked at and judged someone for. So, no.
Sera is being immature.
A real relationship, one that's adult, and mature. Is about two people coming together and they don't necessarily have to agree with everything to love each other. That's how relationships work.
Fintan doesn't believe in the Maker, but respects Cassandra for his beliefs. And even with a bit more freedom, he supports her. He may not agree with her on every time, but he finds her passion, her aspiration something to admire to. He'd never ask her to change. Just as much Cassandra has never asked him to change. She becomes acceptant that there will be things they disagree on.
And if we expand this in real life.
That's how real relationships work. I have dated Christian woman before, I am not Christian, nor religious, I'm Aethist. But I never once had someone tell me, that now that we have been dating for IDK 2 months I must give myself to Jesus Christ or else the relationship is over.
A healthy mature relationship is one of disagreements, and communication.
As stated earlier, we need to stop trying to achieve the ideal fairy tale romance. Because it doesn't exist. A relationship is hardwork, but is also love. You will hate each other, disagree, from time to time. But you also love each other, and agree. You need communication and responsibility, but there's no magical perfection in a relationship.
If you love someone you work towards loving them. But that doesn't mean shedding your values or worth for someone.
To be honest, I agree with this in general. Relationships are usually built on a degree of compromise, particularly when it comes to beliefs. My point in the previous post (which I had intended to be read in a somewhat tongue in cheek manner, forgetting of course that people on the internet read things seriously too often) was more that if you criticise Sera for being unwilling to compromise on her beliefs to be in a relationship, then you should likewise criticse an Inquisitor who does likewise. Maybe the relationship wouldn't have worked out, but the breaking up comes from both parties being unwilling to change. Too often is see people complaining about how characters won't change to be what they want, when they themselves are unwilling to change their character to be more like what said NPC wants.
To be honest, I agree with this in general. Relationships are usually built on a degree of compromise, particularly when it comes to beliefs. My point in the previous post (which I had intended to be read in a somewhat tongue in cheek manner, forgetting of course that people on the internet read things seriously too often) was more that if you criticise Sera for being unwilling to compromise on her beliefs to be in a relationship, then you should likewise criticse an Inquisitor who does likewise. Maybe the relationship wouldn't have worked out, but the breaking up comes from both parties being unwilling to change. Too often is see people complaining about how characters won't change to be what they want, when they themselves are unwilling to change their character to be more like what said NPC wants.
Nobody expects Sera to compromise on her beliefs.
I've seen plenty of people on these forums complain that she doesn't.
Of the romances I've experienced (most of the straight male ones, I think - except Blackwall and IB), I would say Fenris. The way he says, "Nothing could be worse than the thought of living without you", I fully believe it.
I mean, I wish I could say Solas... but I guess we'll see what DA4 brings.
Yes, Fenris is very loyal, one of my favorite (but Fenris and Bull not straight).
Yes, Fenris is very loyal, one of my favorite (but Fenris and Bull not straight).
Yes, sorry, wasn't referring to their sexuality. I meant, it was a straight relationship in my game (female protag romancing male).
Yes, sorry, wasn't referring to their sexuality. I meant, it was a straight relationship in my game (female protag romancing male).
Okay, no problem, I see.
To be honest, I agree with this in general. Relationships are usually built on a degree of compromise, particularly when it comes to beliefs. My point in the previous post (which I had intended to be read in a somewhat tongue in cheek manner, forgetting of course that people on the internet read things seriously too often) was more that if you criticise Sera for being unwilling to compromise on her beliefs to be in a relationship, then you should likewise criticse an Inquisitor who does likewise. Maybe the relationship wouldn't have worked out, but the breaking up comes from both parties being unwilling to change. Too often is see people complaining about how characters won't change to be what they want, when they themselves are unwilling to change their character to be more like what said NPC wants.
That's an unrealistic expectation to want your partner to have to change for your point of views. There needs to come a level between both parties to say, "Let's disagree to agree".
Because that comes with maturity.
It should not be the only expectation that I should be the only one to compromise my beliefs for someone, just as someone should not have to compromise my beliefs for someone. Now the Inquisitor could have compromised their beliefs for Sera, by having a third option
"How about I don't bring the topic up when you're around"
Which is reasonable, imo. When I was Aethist and dating my Christian girlfriend at the time, we just agreed we wouldn't bring up subjects about God.
Strange thing about this love and beliefs. Love can not win everything. It depends on how important someone is, what he believes in, and how important the other the fact that it is against. Religion or other thing: it can kill the love. In game example: Anders and pro-templar Hawke. I cant imagine a long-term love relationship with this setup.
Strange thing about this love and beliefs. Love can not win everything. It depends on how important someone is, what he believes in, and how important the other the fact that it is against. Religion or other thing: it can kill the love. In game example: Anders and pro-templar Hawke. I cant imagine a long-term love relationship with this setup.
I didn't claim that love conquers all. Actually what I am talking about is Respect. In general, all relationships are built upon respect and trust. This is friendship, this is romantic relationships.
Love = Respect + Trust
Sera does not Respect nor Trust the Inquisitor enough, to not let something like beliefs get in the way of Love
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