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[capn233]

Hmmm

[Al Swearengen of Deadwood]

No worries, a "friend" saved the day over there I've been told. Obviously, Deerber and Dart Volus are the most excited.

[CrimsonN7]

This turn of events is truly shocking, I didn't see it coming. In other news water is wet.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

I have the same feeling. I wish she gets the help she so desperately needs. But it seems she is looking for it in all wrong places.

The cutting edge in psychiatric care is gaming websites, don't you know. And it has the secondary benefit of making games better.

[Terminator Force]

The cutting edge in psychiatric care is gaming websites, don't you know. And it has the secondary benefit of making games better.

 

Secondary benefit of making games better isn't always for the better. I personally believe devs just need to be talented and do their own thing if their vision is strong enough. Playing the numbers game and trying please everyone is what leads to everyone not being pleased.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Secondary benefit of making games better isn't always for the better. I personally believe devs just need to be talented and do their own thing if their vision is strong enough. Playing the numbers game and trying please everyone is what leads to everyone not being pleased.

You must not have seen the vitriol dripping from my post and dissolving the floor beneath. I have despised the "BSN fanbase" (whatever that is) for hijacking the creative vision of the developers to begin with. The insecure narcissism of demanding that every game, every story, look just like me and the world as I would have it disgusts me.

I may be projecting my own sensibilities onto Bioware, but I still believe that some of the motivation for dissolving the forums is to lessen the impact of those with a misplaced sense of propriety surrounding their games. It's the only chance they have of regaining my business, at any rate.

[Terminator Force]

You must not have seen the vitriol dripping from my post and dissolving the floor beneath. I have despised the "BSN fanbase" (whatever that is) for hijacking the creative vision of the developers to begin with. The insecure narcissism of demanding that every game, every story, look just like me and the world as I would have it disgusts me.

I may be projecting my own sensibilities onto Bioware, but I still believe that some of the motivation for dissolving the forums is to lessen the impact of those with a misplaced sense of propriety surrounding their games. It's the only chance they have of regaining my business, at any rate.

 

They won't. Not with EA in charge and their ability to upload player feedback option, among other things. EA is to big of a company with too much money on the line & greedy to leave anything to chance. 

[Salarian Master Race]

You must not have seen the vitriol dripping from my post and dissolving the floor beneath. I have despised the "BSN fanbase" (whatever that is) for hijacking the creative vision of the developers to begin with. The insecure narcissism of demanding that every game, every story, look just like me and the world as I would have it disgusts me.

I may be projecting my own sensibilities onto Bioware, but I still believe that some of the motivation for dissolving the forums is to lessen the impact of those with a misplaced sense of propriety surrounding their games. It's the only chance they have of regaining my business, at any rate.

 

Yeah!  How DARE they give the players what they want!

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Yeah! How DARE they give the players what they want!

Try to please everyone, and you please no one. This is especially true as the demands become more granular and exacting. There may be some room to maneuver within a coherent artistic direction, but handing the whole thing over to the audience wouldn't work. And it wouldn't work even if the audience wasn't as diverse as Bioware consumers.

I think that, ultimately, the quality of the game has to be trusted to grab the players, not nitpicky fanservice that moves in too many directions at once. There may be a consensus among players on a few things (hair mechanics), bit the people making the game have to maintain a consistent vision of their work.

I think they lost sight of it in the Mass Effect series, and I think part of the problem was being overwhelmed by the vocal groups of fans whose complaints were too specific to be compatible with general vision.

And I still suspect that at least part of the BSN dissolution has to do with the hope that some of the most critical elements will lose cohesion and influence.

[Terminator Force]

^ Well said.

[Salarian Master Race]

I actually agree with you btw.  I've seen enough games get redirected by "fans" who think they know better than the developers what a game should be.  Devs should stick to their original vision, and if fans don't like it, they can go be fans of something else.

 

Taking feedback is important, of course, but there's a line when it crosses over to pandering.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

I actually agree with you btw. I've seen enough games get redirected by "fans" who think they know better than the developers what a game should be. Devs should stick to their original vision, and if fans don't like it, they can go be fans of something else.

Taking feedback is important, of course, but there's a line when it crosses over to pandering.

I agree with you. The business end of it requires a certain level of response. I just think Bioware has lost that balance. Back to Baldur's Gate with everyone!

[Diablo4evr]

Agreed Tantum. But that only works if the direction Bioware decides to take MEA is a positive one for it's core fanbase, not the weird place it seems to be heading. That and good old fashioned EA mediocrity. I doubt you've played many EA games, but I can tell you from experience, they have all been getting worse these past few years and Bioware's franchises have been no different. I posted this in another thread, but that "make more money by making a lesser product" attitude EA has is what will ruin most of their games, including Mass Effect. Bottom line is mediocrity sells in this day and age and rather than it being about how good you can make a game, it's more about how bad you can get away with making it and still be profitable...

 

As for the Cassandra Saturn thing, let me blunt. If everyone tells you that jumping off a cliff is a bad idea, do you think, "well, I should try it for myself. Maybe it won't be so bad..."?. Of course you f****** don't, you listen to the consensus, the most obvious opinion. I get that people on the outside can look at this place and think it's just people venting personal grudges, but when you have a wide range of different people from different groups in this forum all unanimously saying that joining the CS forum is a bad idea, then maybe you should give us the benefit of the doubt? Just be happy that nothing worse came from it and that it closed before something more serious happened...

[kouzrah]

I'm at Cyonan's new BSN.

[lonerenforcer9]

Try to please everyone, and you please no one. This is especially true as the demands become more granular and exacting. There may be some room to maneuver within a coherent artistic direction, but handing the whole thing over to the audience wouldn't work. And it wouldn't work even if the audience wasn't as diverse as Bioware consumers.

I think that, ultimately, the quality of the game has to be trusted to grab the players, not nitpicky fanservice that moves in too many directions at once. There may be a consensus among players on a few things (hair mechanics), bit the people making the game have to maintain a consistent vision of their work.

I think they lost sight of it in the Mass Effect series, and I think part of the problem was being overwhelmed by the vocal groups of fans whose complaints were too specific to be compatible with general vision.

And I still suspect that at least part of the BSN dissolution has to do with the hope that some of the most critical elements will lose cohesion and influence.

 

 

Hmm, well said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And now this brings me back to that ancient riddle: "how many different colored endings does it take to make a quality game?"

 

 

Answer:

Spoiler

?????????????????????????

 

 

It looks like I'm Sphinx food, because I can't, for the life of me, remember the answer.

 

 

 

 

Oh, and I'm in at Cyonan's as well. I know the bouncer.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

And now this brings me back to that ancient riddle: "how many different colored endings does it take to make a quality game?"

Four. The yellow ending would have made everything right.

[Terminator Force]

^ Well not really for me. ME3 overall is my least favourite by a longshot.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

No, the yellow ending tied it all together and made all the previous decisions meaningful. They cut it to make room for Tali's romance.

It's true

[Terminator Force]

Of course. Romance takes precedence. It all makes sense now.

[The_Nightman_Cometh]

For those of you that have not joined us on Cyonans site...have you seen Glengarry Glenross?

 

                          These are your new leads,             but, before you join us over there,...

 

 

        remember, to finish up here and..  go out with a bang   ..... 

 

 

3rd place gets a set of steak knives,   

[The_Nightman_Cometh]

Good going Crimmers, you broke that other thread.   

 

 

 

[CrimsonN7]

Good going Crimmers, you broke that other thread.   

 

 

 

 

Doesn't matter, was right all along. I shall continue to be obnoxious about this victory for as long as I can.

 

 

The wisdom of the old guard BSN, why u no listen community? Derp a herp, herp a derb.

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

I'm glad that other thread got locked.

[Really Sad Panther]

Cyonans site does seem to the most "stable" site to be part of. 

 

 

Full disclosure I joined on the 1st.

 

And immediately started stalking Crimmy.

[Kenny Bania]

What are you talking about?

 

Imaginary "beefs". Nothing new.