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[Lyrandori]

I don't like to say this, but I strongly believe that Mass Effect - as a franchise - has a much better and brighter future with and following Andromeda. Obviously, I would have preferred a future with the trilogy's cast of memorable characters along with Shepard (especially after ME2), but indeed ME3 torched that specific potential. However, the reboot (that's Andromeda) has just as much potential now for the franchise than ME1 had. In fact, now that the franchise is being rebooted with a new engine, (new cast, new species, new everything essentially) we can hope that Mass Effect will be (re)built with a much stronger foundation. I do think that we will all miss Shepard & Co., but I'm 99% convinced that the new protagonist (heck, even the antagonist perhaps) along with the new cast of companions will be just as good and memorable than the ones we've known from ME1 to ME3.

 

I'd like to remind us (and myself) that I truly thought that DA2 would royally "suck" exactly because it didn't have the Gray Warden in it and that the cast of companions would pretty much be entirely different. Well, DA2 ended up being my 2nd favorite of the DA franchise it terms of characters (script), story telling and pacing (that's obviously excluding the rushed nature of DA2 with the reused and linear maps that it suffered from, along with the out-of-thin-air enemy respawns). In fact, my favorite part of Inquisition was when I got to (re)create my Hawk with the scenes that followed with her (and really appreciated her role in Inquisition overall). So, for me, history shows that BioWare can and do sometimes create new and fun protagonists (along with new and memorable companions). Why couldn't it also happen with Mass Effect's reboot then? I'm sure it can, and will be the case with Andromeda.

 

I'm trying as best as I can to see Mass Effect's future with positivism.

[Silvery]

I have loved every Bioware game I have played: KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect series and Dragon Age series. Honestly, the worst game they have done is DA:2 but even then I would say it was a good game with flaws that could have been great with more time. I think if ME:A gets positive reviews for the most part and much more importantly makes money it will keep going. Look at COD, Assassin's Creed, GTA or The Elder Scrolls. They sell well and keep going, only question is if EA lets Bioware take their time making the game (GTA, Elder Scrolls) or they got to rush it out to maximize money. (COD, AC). 

 

I do get the sense that Bioware intends on MEA to be a semi-new starting point for Mass Effect and a new sort of attempt to bring the series to the masses. That doesn't mean that it will necessarily disregard the trilogy (though aspects will), but Bioware may be taking the opportunity to resell the idea of Mass Effect. 

 

 

This is probably the one think that concerns me, that they go too far in trying to appeal to the masses and take out the remaining RPG elements out of the game and move the focus from story and characters to action and pew-pewing. 

[AlanC9]

I mean, technically, the only SP game flop(?) that I can think of, is DA2. And even that performed well enough to let DAI happen. ME3 still did well, as far as we know, and DAI seemed to do better than either of the previous games in the DA series.

It's hard to say what the DA2 plan was, since we never see the internal projections. It's possible that EA had the (crazy!) idea that game budgets were too high and a cheap DA2 would do about as well as DA:I did, it's possible that it was some kind of experiment. My bet's always been that DA2 was something like NBC's Jay-Leno-at-10PM idea; go with a cheap product, make less money, but spend less money and therefore come out ahead. And it failed for similar reasons; Leno made his numbers, but bad 10PM ratings dragged down the network as a whole.

[vbibbi]

You might be right, but the fact is Mass Effect only grew. The endings caused a ****storm, but the franchise wasn't that hurt. People still love it and expectations for Andromeda are high. We might still see adaptations in other media, but they were never a sure thing. 

And they are not alienating a big part of their fanbase, but only a hardcore minority. It's a sad thing, but closing the BSN won't probably hurt Bioware much as far as money is concerned. It only shows that Bioware doesn't care for their most hardcores fans as they used to. As far as the company police goes, interacting with fans is just a PR thing. Although I'm sure individually the people there still want people to look their games. 

 

While they are only alienating the vocal minority, that means that they are alienating those who are guaranteed to preorder and spread buzz about the upcoming game. Not 100%, there will always be people who will defend anything Bioware does and justify anything that is less than positive to customers as it being the victim's fault, but I think the backlash for shutting down the forums isn't going to help anything. The casual audience they're aiming for won't necessarily have the brand recognition or be committed enough to a new game that they will preorder or share game information with their friends, or buy DLC.

 

If (and it's probably a big if) a number of longtime fans decide after this to wait to buy the game until reviews have come out or patches have fixed the day one bugs, or even decide to buy the game used, it could hurt sales numbers. And if the new audiences are so casual that they play the game for a few hours then move on, the amount of people purchasing DLC months later will shrink.

 

Some of you are the reason for this to happen:

http://blog.bioware....ing-our-forums/

And it will be a trilogy

 

Where is your source that MEA is a trilogy?

 

I have loved every Bioware game I have played: KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect series and Dragon Age series. Honestly, the worst game they have done is DA:2 but even then I would say it was a good game with flaws that could have been great with more time. I think if ME:A gets positive reviews for the most part and much more importantly makes money it will keep going. Look at COD, Assassin's Creed, GTA or The Elder Scrolls. They sell well and keep going, only question is if EA lets Bioware take their time making the game (GTA, Elder Scrolls) or they got to rush it out to maximize money. (COD, AC). 

 

 

This is probably the one think that concerns me, that they go too far in trying to appeal to the masses and take out the remaining RPG elements out of the game and move the focus from story and characters to action and pew-pewing. 

 

I am waiting for the ME series to turn into another SWTOR.

[AlanC9]

You think they want to run two MMOs?

[wolfsite]

We can always ask Valve fans how the future of Half-Life is as a franchise.  They are all still looking forward to Half-Life 2 Episode 3 and Half-Life 3 to finish up the story and we all know that Valve cares about there fans by getting this content to them as quickly as possible.

[AlanC9]

Makes you wonder what goes on at Valve. They've still got game designers there, right?

[Karolus_V]

Dunno, just give me CMYK endings this time!

[vbibbi]

You think they want to run two MMOs?

 

Most of the big picture decisions have not been about what game developers want anymore. It's about what they're told to produce.

[AlanC9]

Sure. I meant EA myself. SWTOR's making money now, though I've got no idea if it will ever recoup the initial investment, But I can't see why EA would want to try that again, particularly since two Bio-branded MMOs would be in competition with each other for players.

[rapscallioness]

Who knows, maybe ME:A will be the one that blows it up for them--in a good way. And they take what they learned from doing the previous trilogy. Plan ahead more; pace the games, whether trilogies, or standalones not directly connected.

 

I feel like they have an opportunity here to really expand if they..plot their course carefully; have more personal choice/consequence, and not so much of the unalterable, galaxy spanning type of stuff. Keep the backdrop and setting intact so that you have a nice big playground within which to craft.

 

Build up some good lore, too, then you can do sequels and sidequels.

 

The future of the franchise is up to them; what they do with ME:A and how well that does-- and how much attn to detail they have both within the games and the overarching narrative themes of this unknown place.

 

They could do it.  But we'll see.

[vbibbi]

Sure. I meant EA myself. SWTOR's making money now, though I've got no idea if it will ever recoup the initial investment, But I can't see why EA would want to try that again, particularly since two Bio-branded MMOs would be in competition with each other for players.

 

Well maybe not another MMO but focus more on MP rather than SP. ME3MP was successful and didn't require as many assets as SP. Bio could gradually shift resources to additional MP builds, maps, and challenges rather than produce DLC or lengthy campaigns. MP means better chance of microtransactions continually while SP DLC's are one and done purchases. If anything, the two poor quality skins DLC released for DAI could indicate that SP DLC is going to turn to a more microtransaction model as well.

[vbibbi]

Who knows, maybe ME:A will be the one that blows it up for them--in a good way. And they take what they learned from doing the previous trilogy. Plan ahead more; pace the games, whether trilogies, or standalones not directly connected.

 

I feel like they have an opportunity here to really expand if they..plot their course carefully; have more personal choice/consequence, and not so much of the unalterable, galaxy spanning type of stuff. Keep the backdrop and setting intact so that you have a nice big playground within which to craft.

 

Build up some good lore, too, then you can do sequels and sidequels.

 

The future of the franchise is up to them; what they do with ME:A and how well that does-- and how much attn to detail they have both within the games and the overarching narrative themes of this unknown place.

 

They could do it.  But we'll see.

 

I honestly hope that this is the case. I guess we'll find out in a few months.

[Oldren Shepard]

"Where is your source that MEA is a trilogy?"

 

Tell me a game before Mass Effect that take the decisions of the same character from the first game to the next instalments, is the only one i know and i'm grateful for that, thats one of the things that make it a unique experience. And they (the people in charge) have said she/he will be a untested soldier, she/he won't have the that recognition of a hero, much less of a leyend.

[Spectr61]

Either of these seems likely. It makes me sad, as far as I'll allow a video game series to do so. Like Fogg, I once saw great potential in the IP. Unfortunately, it's ownership chose to handle it in a different way.
It's a shame that they (Casey and his team) couldn't see beyond the "it's a trilogy, and that's that" idea. They ended the original trilogy in a way that made sequels difficult because they had no intention of additional material ever being made. Not only were they finished with the setting, but Casey didn't want anyone else tinkering with his baby, either. At least, that's one possible interpretation from the outside looking inward, admittedly with scant facts.
Yet, here we are. Casey is long gone, and BioWare is making another game, anyway. We fans are hoping it will be a worthy successor, but we have few facts and little info, less than a year from launch. Our primary discussion forum is being dissolved, so the community will scatter in the wind. It all feels ominous, even if there is little evidence to suggest good or bad.

Erudite, that.

To me the most tragic part of the ME3 endings and the ensuing fiasco was the very large opportunity loss for the franchise.

Hear any more talk of a Mass Effect movie? Think Casey Hudson is held up as the gold standard DEV? Think the same for Mac? Why do you think Flynn recently referenced therapy due to the endings?

Expectations were high, maybe unrealistically high, but that is no excuse for the craptastic endings and the legions of goodwill and possibilities left on the table by a mediocre product.

[Drone223]

With little information, no proper gameplay footage and the closing of the official forums its very hard to get interested in ME:A. Without the official forums Bioware won't be able to apply criticism and feedback to improve ME:A and future Bioware games. The closing of the forums before the release of ME:A also raises doubts about Bioware actually being confident in ME:A.

[Gothfather]

I have loved every Bioware game I have played: KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect series and Dragon Age series. Honestly, the worst game they have done is DA:2 but even then I would say it was a good game with flaws that could have been great with more time. I think if ME:A gets positive reviews for the most part and much more importantly makes money it will keep going. Look at COD, Assassin's Creed, GTA or The Elder Scrolls. They sell well and keep going, only question is if EA lets Bioware take their time making the game (GTA, Elder Scrolls) or they got to rush it out to maximize money. (COD, AC). 

 

 

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Really that's the question? And you ask it with a straight face which is laughable. Seriously WTF is wrong with gamers? ME:A is likely to be released 5 YEARS give or take a month after ME3 and you have to ask? IS EA going to rush the franchise or let bioware take their time? WTF? Doesn't common sense tell you that EA isn't rushing bioware? What? Are you honestly going to sit there and say a 5 year development cycle is a rushed development cycle?  EA rushed one Bioware game DA2 and they NEVER did it again. ME3 was delayed TWICE. DA:I was delayed over a year and delayed multiple times as well. ME:A was "delayed" from holiday 2016 to first quarter 2017.

 

How can people seriously sit there and be in doubt what direction EA is talking Bioware games with regards to the two options presented? I swear gamers in general can't employ critical thought to save their lives. We are not seeing EA release Bioware games on a yearly schedule. Seriously shutting these bloody forums down is a smart move bioware isn't gleaming pearls of wisdom from here it is mostly angst and idiocy that fuel these forums.

[Cyonan]

I'd say the franchise could have a bright future, but it probably depends a lot on how good Andromeda is.

 

Right now I'm adopting the policy of just sitting back to wait. We have no information, so it's pretty pointless to engage in "this game is going to be the best/worst thing ever!".

 

Though the fact that the forums are closing is concerning about the direction of the company. Social Media just isn't fit for having big discussions about their games.

[vbibbi]

 

"Where is your source that MEA is a trilogy?"

 

Tell me a game before Mass Effect that take the decisions of the same character from the first game to the next instalments, is the only one i know and i'm grateful for that, thats one of the things that make it a unique experience. And they (the people in charge) have said she/he will be a untested soldier, she/he won't have the that recognition of a hero, much less of a leyend.

 

 

So it's a theory you have, not concrete evidence that Bioware has stated that MEA is the first of a new trilogy. I think Bioware is playing it safe now and is not going to set up this reboot as a specific number of games. It will be more in line with ME1 or DAO in setting up future storylines for sequels but wrapping up the main plot within one game.

 

With little information, no proper gameplay footage and the closing of the official forums its very hard to get interested in ME:A. Without the official forums Bioware won't be able to apply criticism and feedback to improve ME:A and future Bioware games. The closing of the forums before the release of ME:A also raises doubts about Bioware actually being confident in ME:A.

 

Although by the time the game comes out any forum feedback is too late for MEA, though possibly not DLC.

 

I'd say the franchise could have a bright future, but it probably depends a lot on how good Andromeda is.

 

Right now I'm adopting the policy of just sitting back to wait. We have no information, so it's pretty pointless to engage in "this game is going to be the best/worst thing ever!".

 

Though the fact that the forums are closing is concerning about the direction of the company. Social Media just isn't fit for having big discussions about their games.

 

On another thread someone pointed out that if MEA is a good game that's well received, it has the potential to be the launching of a new rebooted franchise with more staying power than the original trilogy. I agree with that, and hopefully Bioware has learned its lesson in developing a main plot that spans multiple games without having an idea how the plot should be resolved. I would personally rather that the Andromeda reboot games are more anthologies like DA at this point rather than force a restricting plot over several games. And that would seem to be a safe business decision, since the whole fiasco of having a trilogy and a definitive ending for ME necessitated a reboot in order for additional games to be made.

[Big Bad]

You think they want to run two MMOs?

At this point, it doesn't even seem like they want to run one MMO. 

[dorktainian]

it can go on as long as there is the will to make ME games, and they have an audience for them.

[Joseph Warrick]

At this point, it doesn't even seem like they want to run one MMO. 

 

What do you mean, they keep releasing more and more content for SWTOR.

[Laughing_Man]

What do you mean, they keep releasing more and more content for SWTOR.

 

As far as I understand, SW:TOR is trying very hard to pretend that actually it's a single player RPG.

[Silvery]

Really that's the question? And you ask it with a straight face which is laughable. Seriously WTF is wrong with gamers? ME:A is likely to be released 5 YEARS give or take a month after ME3 and you have to ask? IS EA going to rush the franchise or let bioware take their time? WTF? Doesn't common sense tell you that EA isn't rushing bioware? What? Are you honestly going to sit there and say a 5 year development cycle is a rushed development cycle?  EA rushed one Bioware game DA2 and they NEVER did it again. ME3 was delayed TWICE. DA:I was delayed over a year and delayed multiple times as well. ME:A was "delayed" from holiday 2016 to first quarter 2017.

 

How can people seriously sit there and be in doubt what direction EA is talking Bioware games with regards to the two options presented? I swear gamers in general can't employ critical thought to save their lives. We are not seeing EA release Bioware games on a yearly schedule. Seriously shutting these bloody forums down is a smart move bioware isn't gleaming pearls of wisdom from here it is mostly angst and idiocy that fuel these forums.

 

Yes, I will gladly admit that was a very very idiotic and stupid statement that I made that I clearly wrote when I was just typing out my thoughts and not thinking them through. I guess I meant more of if after ME:A sells well they would try and make them quicker, but even then I should have specified that and even then you could still say that is a dumb comment to make. So I will gladly apologize for making a moronic statement but there is not need to use a dumb comment by me to attack this place as a whole and say it is justified to destroy it. I am sure you could do that with anyplace on the internet. 

[Han Shot First]

What do you mean, they keep releasing more and more content for SWTOR.

They are, but it is single player story content. I'm fine with it, other than class and faction stories having been dropped. There hasn't been much in the way of multiplayer content however, with the last Op having rolled out in 2013 I believe. PVP got a new arena, but that's it.