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[Big Bad]

As far as I understand, SW:TOR is trying very hard to pretend that actually it's a single player RPG.

Yup, that's what I meant. 

[SwobyJ]

They are, but it is single player story content. I'm fine with it, other than class and faction stories having been dropped. There hasn't been much in the way of multiplayer content however, with the last Op having rolled out in 2013 I believe. PVP got a new arena, but that's it.

 

Shadow of Revan was late 2014 and had a couple raids. You're thinking 2013's Rise of the Hutt Cartel bunch of raids. 2015, however, had no raids, and now we're half way into 2016.

 

Chapters/Expansions/Main Story - 2016

Planets/Zones - 2015

Operations/Raids - 2014

Flashpoints/Dungeons - 2014 or 2015 depending on how you see it

Warzones/PvP Arenas - 2015

Strongholds/Housing - 2015 or 2016 depending on how you see it

'Features' - 2016

Starfighter/Space Combat Gameplay - 2014

 

 

What has been kept up to date: Story, maybe Zones, maybe PvP, Housing, Features

 

What has not been kept up to date: maybe Zones, maybe PvP, Raids, Dungeons, Space

 

 

So we have a lot of players that presently are concerned that SWTOR has went from the MMORPG focus of 2012-2014/15, into a story and fluff focus of 2015-2015(+?).

 

Bioware would end this perception if they release this year: 1 or 2 raids, one or more open zones, multiple flashpoints. Sure people would still have the memory of waiting 2 years for new raids and 1-2 years for new dungeons, but at least they're getting something.

If they just go to a 'Knights of the Eternal Throne' with all or almost all utter focus on story chapters, then that is effectively a 'get lost' to MMORPG players. SWTOR will still have group content existing, but it will be confirmed to not come at any sort of pace that should welcome regular gameplay and subscription. May as well just convert every raid area into solo and small group versions and every dungeon into a solo version and move on. I think people are just most frustrated by the appearance that Bioware is trying some uncomfortable middle-ground. "We have group content coming! Promise!"

 

I think it should be noted and respected, however, that there was a big update to instanced group PvE content in 2015 where players could much more easily do all the available content on a max level. Lots of upscaling to keep people busy. Sure, its not 'new' content, but its a new and useful way to keep all content 'relevant'. People were not stuck grinding the same couple of raids, but several raids.

[Rogue Unit]

Mass Effect lost its chance to be the next great sci-fi franchise after ME3 basically split the fanbase up, destroyed developer/fan relations and took ME universe and smashed it to bits a pieces.

 

It will be sad to see it go but ME:A could very well be the last ME game.

[Laughing_Man]

*snip*

 

Seeing the sudden focus on SP, all I can think of is how incredibly annoying it is that they chose to go for an overpriced (from investment standpoint) MMO instead of another SP KOTOR game.

[Oldren Shepard]

So it's a theory you have, not concrete evidence that Bioware has stated that MEA is the first of a new trilogy. I think Bioware is playing it safe now and is not going to set up this reboot as a specific number of games. It will be more in line with ME1 or DAO in setting up future storylines for sequels but wrapping up the main plot within one game.

Why they're going to abandon the one thing that makes their game so special but

is difficult to argue with someone..like...you.

[SwobyJ]

Mass Effect lost its chance to be the next great sci-fi franchise after ME3 basically split the fanbase up, destroyed developer/fan relations and took ME universe and smashed it to bits a pieces.

 

It will be sad to see it go but ME:A could very well be the last ME game.

 

They dropped the Shepard ME but personally I wouldn't go so far as to call all of ME lost to this potential.

 

A section, even a large section of jilted fans (to various degrees) doesn't really factor in that much. It may matter, and it may matter a lot, but we won't be able to see that until Bioware tries more (aka when MEA happens).

[Laughing_Man]

They dropped the Shepard ME but personally I wouldn't go so far as to call all of ME lost to this potential.

 

A section, even a large section of jilted fans (to various degrees) doesn't really factor in that much. It may matter, and it may matter a lot, but we won't be able to see that until Bioware tries more (aka when MEA happens).

 

Grudges about ME3 aside, if they magically manage to pull off an amazing success with a new trilogy, I won't hold past sins against them.

The only thing is, at this point I kinda doubt Bioware has the passion and the mojo to pull it off.

[Diablo4evr]

I don't know what it will be, but what it should be is a multiplayer only franchise. They killed the story anyway and the multiplayer was the best bit of ME3, so why fight it. 

[Laughing_Man]

I don't what it will be, but what it should be is a multiplayer only franchise. They killed the story anyway and the multiplayer was the best bit of ME3, so why fight it. 

 

Because while I'm willing to give ME:A a chance despite ME:3, I wouldn't do so for a MP only game.

[Icinix]

Seeing the sudden focus on SP, all I can think of is how incredibly annoying it is that they chose to go for an overpriced (from investment standpoint) MMO instead of another SP KOTOR game.

Yep.

SWTOR was an attempt to make the cash cow a cash cow herd and it might have killed the cash cow.

The worst part is - even though I'm excited to see what other Star Wars games are coming - everything outed about them has shown none are RPG focused like KOTOR.

Star Wars games are at their best when it's an RPG or you're dog fighting in space.

As for Mass Effect - Andromeda would seem to have the markings of the spin off ME franchise going forward. Rather than sequels and trilogies, follows DA into the Elder Scrolls game methodology. Different locations, different times, different characters,

[Gothfather]

Yes, I will gladly admit that was a very very idiotic and stupid statement that I made that I clearly wrote when I was just typing out my thoughts and not thinking them through. I guess I meant more of if after ME:A sells well they would try and make them quicker, but even then I should have specified that and even then you could still say that is a dumb comment to make. So I will gladly apologize for making a moronic statement but there is not need to use a dumb comment by me to attack this place as a whole and say it is justified to destroy it. I am sure you could do that with anyplace on the internet. 

 

Thing is your one comment isn't isolated and isn't, by far, an outlier for these forums. The amount of angst and idiocy on these forums isn't confined to your one comment by a long shot. So much of these forums is idiots making a 101+ threads about hair or romances on the forums and I don't say this because I think romances are stupid. i don't. I will categorically state that romances are a signature feature for bioware and thus important for the studio's "brand" but the idiocy associated with romance threads abounds so does the hair threads and again it isn't because I think Bioware makes great hair but rather because gamers seem to lack any PERSPECTIVE on things. Gamers honestly think that if they WANT something then it should happen period no ands, ifs or buts about it. yet hair as much as i wish we got better options is one of the LAST things Bioware should be focusing on so many other features are far more important to game play then having the perfect hairdo. 

 

The QQ over the ME3 endings is beyond childish now. And again not because I disagree that the endings were bad, I think they were crap, but it has been almost 4 1/2 years now people need to LET. IT. GO. The endings are what they are and NOTHING is going to change that so people need to move on. Yet they can't this forum is filled with overly sensitive people from white hetro males QQ that Anders stated he fancies you to people QQ that Bioware isn't LGBTQ friendly enough. From the faux SJW posts designed to 'prove' that feminists are trying to steal our games to idiots creating cries against Dorian being whitewash because he went from brown eyes to blue/gray eyes in one iteration while EVERY FRAKING OTHER iteration of his character was that he got darker and less "white." The unreasonableness of players drowns out any reasoned discourse.

 

These forums are filled with more bullsh!t then anything else. They need to die, they no longer serve the intended purpose that BIOWARE created them for hence they have outlived their usefulness and while players may find them of use that doesn't justify their existence. Players can go and create their own forums and get what they need from that community that they create. It isn't bioware's job to create a space for players outside their game environments. 

 

The toxicity of these forums is so bad that it has been a running joke that expanse further than these boards. Go to almost any game forum and people reference the BSN in a negative light because of the toxicity and as the examples I showed is not limited to one group or a small minority but encompasses the bredth of opinion and positions on the boards.

 

Time to let this sick ugly old beast die.

[Arcian]

I don't know what it will be, but what it should be is a multiplayer only franchise. They killed the story anyway and the multiplayer was the best bit of ME3, so why fight it.

The best bit of a piece of crap is still crap.

[Chealec]

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These forums are filled with more bullsh!t then anything else.

 

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Of course they are, there's nothing else to talk about any more... the ME:3 ending has been raked over a bazillion times, I've not played DA:I nor visited those forums and there's very scant detail about ME:A ... so nonsense and BS it is then

 

I'm pretty sure most people are just killing time here until ME:A is released - by which time there won't be a here any more of course.

 

 

I've never really thought of this place as toxic ... daft, yes - intolerant, occasionally - funny, quite often - pointless arguments, oh yes ... but toxic, naaaah, there's nowhere near enough vitriol for that. Even at your most condescending you don't even come close...

[sharkboy421]

Star Wars games are at their best when it's an RPG or you're dog fighting in space.

 

For my personal preference I gladly place Republic Commando, a first person shooter through and through, right up there with the greats like KOTOR and X-Wing. But again, that is just my feelings on it.

 

Back on topic, while I am certainly sad that the BSN is closing, it hasn't really colored my thoughts on Mass Effect. While I am excited for Andromeda, it is really more of a mild "hey more Mass Effect is coming, that's cool" than any sort of massive hype. We just simply haven't seen or heard enough about the game to really for me to make any sort of judgement about it. I'm not particularly worried about, I just wish we could have a proper gameplay video of it.

[Laughing_Man]

Of course they are, there's nothing else to talk about any more... the ME:3 ending has been raked over a bazillion times, I've not played DA:I nor visited those forums and there's very scant detail about ME:A ... so nonsense and BS it is then
 
I'm pretty sure most people are just killing time here until ME:A is released - by which time there won't be a here any more of course.
 
 
I've never really thought of this place as toxic ... daft, yes - intolerant, occasionally - funny, quite often - pointless arguments, oh yes ... but toxic, naaaah, there's nowhere near enough vitriol for that. Even at your most condescending you don't even come close...

 
I think that's more or less obvious to anyone who observed these forums and compared them to the internet at large.
 
This was almost like the PG13 version of the "wild" internet.
 
The forums are being closed partly because Bioware still holds a grudge over the ME3 ending backlash (no matter that it wasn't contained just to BSN), and partly because deep discussion and criticism in general are seen as risky from PR standpoint, in comparison to one liners and likes on twitter and social media.

 

I actually doubt that twitter and similar will be a garden of roses for them either, but time will tell.

[ApocAlypsE007]

This is the end of Bioware. There will be nothing after ME:A. Mass Effect will continue to live as mods for other games, nothing more sadly.

[Beerfish]

The best bit of a piece of crap is still crap.

No ME3 was a decent game of itself and had some very good parts, well worth the money.  Even with the disastrous ending.

 

ME3MP was terrifically done and proved a huge bang for the buck.

[Red Panda]

No ME3 was a decent game of itself and had some very good parts, well worth the money.  Even with the disastrous ending.

 

ME3MP was terrifically done and proved a huge bang for the buck.

Well, even though that store was terrible, it did fund ALL the MP dlc.

[Fogg]

Yup, that's what I meant. 

 

The funny thing is that the people that still play SWTOR couldn't care less about BioWare story telling and just want new raids en dungeons to grind. MMO players just want to put their mind on auto pilot, forget about real life, that's why they're all leaving MMO's for even more mind killing MOBA's.

[Red Panda]

The funny thing is that the people that still play SWTOR couldn't care less about BioWare story telling and just want new raids en dungeons to grind. MMO players just want to put their mind on auto pilot, forget about real life, that's why they're all leaving MMO's for even more mind killing MOBA's.

Sounds like escapism as a hobby. Which is probably why most that play games play games.

[rossler]

Bioware will continue to make Mass Effect games until they are no longer profitable for them. 

[ApocAlypsE007]

Bioware will continue to make Mass Effect games until they are no longer profitable for them. 

That logic didn't work for Westwood RIP

[AlanC9]

So what? The Westwood acquisition and what happened afterward was a failure on EA's own terms, and they've said so. Shutting down studios represents a failure of strategy, not a successful execution of one.

[Iakus]

Grudges about ME3 aside, if they magically manage to pull off an amazing success with a new trilogy, I won't hold past sins against them.

The only thing is, at this point I kinda doubt Bioware has the passion and the mojo to pull it off.

Yeah, just go to their forums and sing the praises of the ga-

 

Wait  

[prosthetic soul]

This is all moot considering EA is going to shutter Bioware by the end of next year.  Mark my words.