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[DigitalMaster37]

@ Hokochu, I think he might be dead if you explored the conversation with Liara, it seems things didn't go well. but to your statement, there might be a chance he's captured instead of dead, but we'll find out.



@Cptrugged , Liara is on Illium, once you get there she is toward the back up the stairs in her own office. Just ask about her to that lady you first meet on Illium.

[Nyaore]

Cptrugged wrote...

Where do you find Liara?  I kind of wanted to rush to find her you know.. LI and all.  Looks like I'm gonna be dissappointed as well.

She's on Illium.

[spin156]

I like Liara's new role. She did say that she "would prefer less explosions" in ME1, so what would you expect? I think she will supplant the Shadow Broker in ME3 and play a huge strategic role. I do miss her, though.

[vallix]

I hated her role until someone told me that if you're Paragon, she tells you this big story involving your body and how she wanted it back or something of the like. All I got was some nonsense about some guy-friend she had(which only made me jealous) and how she wanted to revenge him.



The collectors officially killed Shepard, I didn't see her jumping at the shot for revenge against them.

[Arcadionn]

spin156 wrote...

I like Liara's new role. She did say that she "would prefer less explosions" in ME1, so what would you expect? I think she will supplant the Shadow Broker in ME3 and play a huge strategic role. I do miss her, though.

You may be on to something here... if TIM does prove to be Le Villain in ME3, she could prove to be your turncoat option.

vallix wrote...

I hated her role until someone told me
that if you're Paragon, she tells you this big story involving your
body and how she wanted it back or something of the like. All I got was
some nonsense about some guy-friend she had(which only made me jealous)
and how she wanted to revenge him.

The collectors officially killed Shepard, I didn't see her jumping at the shot for revenge against them.

Well Consider the proportions of your statement...

Her friend was killed by ... say mercs... or the shadow broker.. or whatever... You were killed by a group of collective individuals that have tech supplanting all you ahve access to...

Her ods are favorable towards avenging her friend... not so much towards soloing a race of galactic insects...

Modifié par Arcadionn, 28 janvier 2010 - 04:43 .

[Mak89]

Dissapointed, but as long as they have a good explanation as to why she's like that then that's fine cause I chose to romance Miranda way before the Liara encounter, but still, yeah, it's wierd. I would have rather her have died then go crazy. *kiss*...go hack terminals while I hide my emotions...****.

[izmirtheastarach]

Liara has a much larger role the Kaidan/Ashley. I also enjoyed the fact that helping her out gives you Renegade points.



I'm not sure what else people wanted out of it. I really enjoyed the scene where she tells you about what she did, and asks for your forgiveness.

[KainrycKarr]

I thought the reunions with Anderson, Ashley/Kaiden, and Liara, were are absolutely horrid writing in what is otherwise another slam-dunk Bioware game.



Seriously, who wrote that part? Did the lead writes take that day off or something and the monkey on the type-writer had to do it?

[screwoffreg]

Yeah, I got the jealousy about her "friend" too. Unfortunately, my current run through had a romance with Ashley, so I didn't get the whole romance thing vibe from Liara yet. Even so, it seems she is ultimately deeper and more interesting than Ashley, so I do somewhat regret that.



Then again, I ended up with another sultry alien who didn't let her traumatic experiences ruin her nerdy good spirit. Sorry Liara, but I got a new girl anyway...

[vallix]

Arcadionn wrote...

spin156 wrote...

I like Liara's new role. She did say that she "would prefer less explosions" in ME1, so what would you expect? I think she will supplant the Shadow Broker in ME3 and play a huge strategic role. I do miss her, though.

You may be on to something here... if TIM does prove to be Le Villain in ME3, she could prove to be your turncoat option.

vallix wrote...

I hated her role until someone told me
that if you're Paragon, she tells you this big story involving your
body and how she wanted it back or something of the like. All I got was
some nonsense about some guy-friend she had(which only made me jealous)
and how she wanted to revenge him.

The collectors officially killed Shepard, I didn't see her jumping at the shot for revenge against them.

Well Consider the proportions of your statement...

Her friend was killed by ... say mercs... or the shadow broker.. or whatever... You were killed by a group of collective individuals that have tech supplanting all you ahve access to...

Her ods are favorable towards avenging her friend... not so much towards soloing a race of galactic insects...

I didn't mean soloing, of course. I meant joining back up with me and getting revenge. You have to remember, a good portion of the Normandy crew was still slaughtered in that attack.

Oh but wait it's been 2 years so it's all good. Oh but wait again she's been searching for this Shadow Broker for 2 years as well..

See what I mean?

[screwoffreg]

She's on the road of vengeance and I wouldn't be surprised if she is more twisted in the third game. I think the reason everyone is shocked is that she was the "good" romance option in that she was sweet and understanding. Now shes cynical, brutal and looking only for revenge. Liara, poor Liara.

[glacier1701]

Very disappointed in what was done. It really played out badly because it is so out of character. After all she barely interacted with other people on a social level for what 30 years? 50 years? Now she suddenly has these people skills and can do what she is in something less than 2 years? No it seems as if the writer for that part didnt really see what she was in ME1 and just came up with something that was 'dark and edgy'. And the parting cutscene is just so terrible. "I cant join you because I need peace and quiet which I wont get on the Normandy". This is right after she just killed her assistant. Not to mention the fact you will be leaving her on a planet where basically walking down the wrong alley can get you killed OR worse and this is in the spaceport with a heavy police presence!!! Total BS on the part of BW to state that this is believable.

Modifié par glacier1701, 28 janvier 2010 - 05:24 .

[DigitalMaster37]

glacier1701 wrote...

Very disappointed in what was done. It really played out badly because it is so out of character. After all she barely interacted with other people on a social level for what 30 years? 50 years? Now she suddenly has these people skills and can do what she is in something less than 2 years? No it seems as if the writer for that part didnt really see what she was in ME1 and just came up with something that was 'dark and edgy'. And the parting cutscene is just so terrible. "I cant join you because I need peace and quiet which I wont get on the Normandy". This is right after she just killed her assistant. Not to mention the fact you will be leaving her on a planet where basically walking down the wrong alley can get you killed OR worse and this is in the spaceport with a heavy police presence!!! Total BS on the part of BW to state that this is believable.

Well when anyone goes through a traumatic experience, changes like this are actually quite common. The changes with Liara are not unwarranted. You probably should go back and play through her dialog a few times, you be surprise given you choose the right dialog what you can find out.

She was sheltered for those first 100 years, now she has experienced a lot (comic book). I would like to submit that what has happened is more than good enough to change a person. Like a friend of mine has said in my group, Liara was innocent and innocent people have the most potential to fall the farthest depending on the degree of the experience they undergo.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 28 janvier 2010 - 05:30 .

[glacier1701]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

glacier1701 wrote...

Very disappointed in what was done. It really played out badly because it is so out of character. After all she barely interacted with other people on a social level for what 30 years? 50 years? Now she suddenly has these people skills and can do what she is in something less than 2 years? No it seems as if the writer for that part didnt really see what she was in ME1 and just came up with something that was 'dark and edgy'. And the parting cutscene is just so terrible. "I cant join you because I need peace and quiet which I wont get on the Normandy". This is right after she just killed her assistant. Not to mention the fact you will be leaving her on a planet where basically walking down the wrong alley can get you killed OR worse and this is in the spaceport with a heavy police presence!!! Total BS on the part of BW to state that this is believable.

Well ehen anyone goes through a traumatic experience, changes like this are actually quite common. The changes with Liara are not unwarranted. You probably should go back and play through her dialog a few times, you be surprise given you choose the right dialog what you can find out.

She was sheltered for those first 100 years, now she has experienced a lot (comic book). I would like to submit that what has happened is more than good enough to change a person. Like a friend of mine has said in my group, Liara was innocent and innocent people have the most potential to fall the farthest depending on the degree of the experience they undergo.

 I got the full story from her of what went on (i.e. the comic book). It still seems so contrived that she has changed so much in so little time - i.e. less than 2 years because of what she did in the comic book eats up some time. I mean when you picked her up in ME1 she didnt change to the same degree and she basically went through the same kind of trauma that occured to her in the pre-ME2 interval (mother killed, interaction with huge numbers of people and lots of explosions). Nope just seems as if they had to do something and this is what they came up even if it trashed what had been established before.

[Arcadionn]

glacier1701 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

glacier1701 wrote...

Very disappointed in what was done. It really played out badly because it is so out of character. After all she barely interacted with other people on a social level for what 30 years? 50 years? Now she suddenly has these people skills and can do what she is in something less than 2 years? No it seems as if the writer for that part didnt really see what she was in ME1 and just came up with something that was 'dark and edgy'. And the parting cutscene is just so terrible. "I cant join you because I need peace and quiet which I wont get on the Normandy". This is right after she just killed her assistant. Not to mention the fact you will be leaving her on a planet where basically walking down the wrong alley can get you killed OR worse and this is in the spaceport with a heavy police presence!!! Total BS on the part of BW to state that this is believable.

Well ehen anyone goes through a traumatic experience, changes like this are actually quite common. The changes with Liara are not unwarranted. You probably should go back and play through her dialog a few times, you be surprise given you choose the right dialog what you can find out.

She was sheltered for those first 100 years, now she has experienced a lot (comic book). I would like to submit that what has happened is more than good enough to change a person. Like a friend of mine has said in my group, Liara was innocent and innocent people have the most potential to fall the farthest depending on the degree of the experience they undergo.

 I got the full story from her of what went on (i.e. the comic book). It still seems so contrived that she has changed so much in so little time - i.e. less than 2 years because of what she did in the comic book eats up some time. I mean when you picked her up in ME1 she didnt change to the same degree and she basically went through the same kind of trauma that occured to her in the pre-ME2 interval (mother killed, interaction with huge numbers of people and lots of explosions). Nope just seems as if they had to do something and this is what they came up even if it trashed what had been established before.

I was not aware trauma had a time frame.

[Promethean 47]

Grow up all of you. It's a game, your pc was gone for two years. It's fan service that they wrote them in at all, when really they would have had it far easier writing them offscreen entirely.

[DigitalMaster37]

glacier1701 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

glacier1701 wrote...

Very disappointed in what was done. It really played out badly because it is so out of character. After all she barely interacted with other people on a social level for what 30 years? 50 years? Now she suddenly has these people skills and can do what she is in something less than 2 years? No it seems as if the writer for that part didnt really see what she was in ME1 and just came up with something that was 'dark and edgy'. And the parting cutscene is just so terrible. "I cant join you because I need peace and quiet which I wont get on the Normandy". This is right after she just killed her assistant. Not to mention the fact you will be leaving her on a planet where basically walking down the wrong alley can get you killed OR worse and this is in the spaceport with a heavy police presence!!! Total BS on the part of BW to state that this is believable.

Well ehen anyone goes through a traumatic experience, changes like this are actually quite common. The changes with Liara are not unwarranted. You probably should go back and play through her dialog a few times, you be surprise given you choose the right dialog what you can find out.

She was sheltered for those first 100 years, now she has experienced a lot (comic book). I would like to submit that what has happened is more than good enough to change a person. Like a friend of mine has said in my group, Liara was innocent and innocent people have the most potential to fall the farthest depending on the degree of the experience they undergo.

 I got the full story from her of what went on (i.e. the comic book). It still seems so contrived that she has changed so much in so little time - i.e. less than 2 years because of what she did in the comic book eats up some time. I mean when you picked her up in ME1 she didnt change to the same degree and she basically went through the same kind of trauma that occured to her in the pre-ME2 interval (mother killed, interaction with huge numbers of people and lots of explosions). Nope just seems as if they had to do something and this is what they came up even if it trashed what had been established before.

In no way did she go through the same kind of trauma.

Take this into account:

She goes looking for Sheperd after the events of the Normandy. Speaking to her in ME2 (without spoiling everything) she is the reason you ended up with Cerberus (for better or worse). She blames herself for this. Add to that, the fact that she lost her new friend Feros either to death or capture and she is an emotional wreck. She gave you to Cerberus to keep you close as she says. Now the thing is, she has never gone through anything like this before. Add to that the fact that she is being watched and you have a situation ripe for what seems like she has changed, when in fact she really hasn't but she is under dire stress. That's why I said make sure you really got everything from her conversiations, it is easy to move the conversation on too fast and miss some good nuggets. I again suggest going back saving right before you meet her so you can explore the multiple branching dialog options. She really has changed but not without a good reason, and the hope is still there to "rescue" her from her newfound emotional and situational issues. can't wait until some LI DLC and/or ME3.

[DigitalMaster37]

Promethean 47 wrote...

Grow up all of you. It's a game, your pc was gone for two years. It's fan service that they wrote them in at all, when really they would have had it far easier writing them offscreen entirely.

take a hike, no one asked you and if you haven't dove that far into the lore then don;t bother posting in here. shoo!

speaking of growing up, it seems your the only one who hasn't gotten your birthday reminders...

trolling is a disease, don't spread germs.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 28 janvier 2010 - 05:44 .

[Arcadionn]

Promethean 47 wrote...

Grow up all of you. It's a game, your pc was gone for two years. It's fan service that they wrote them in at all, when really they would have had it far easier writing them offscreen entirely.

I doubt any of us said the opposite; however, you are speaking of things that are speculative, and hence, completely irrelevant. The matter at hand is the comprehension of the character in the second instalment. My perspective is that she evolved in a darker personae due to the events that transpired through the 2 years you (PC) was being rebuilt... the lack of understanding of that factor is actually perfectly human as Shephard has no recollection of what took place in those two years...

What I posted was merely a POV Shephard could not really have of the events and is out of PC. (Shephard can't read the comic )

Hence, your not understanding why Liara is as such - makes complete sense. She also explains very little which makes sense if indeed she is working for SB or pretending to.

Modifié par Arcadionn, 28 janvier 2010 - 05:46 .

[Arcadionn]

Shavon wrote...

Random question, I have decided to save certain quests for after the final mission. Will Laira's hacking quest be there when I get back? Just wondering. Has anyone actually done post game missions?

I haven't had the conversation about recovering Shep's body with Liara yet. I wonder how bad it is :/

Yes I did do side quests (non loyalty) after the final game, it is possible, as with DA:O, they will likely add DLC for which you would need post ending access.

[ratzerman]

You know, it's funny.... all this talk about the love interests from ME1 "moving on."
Liara has done a lot of things in the past two years, but one thing she definitely hasn't done is move on. It take a lot of patience to find this out, and I'm not surprised most players don't bother with it. Of course, maybe that was Bioware's plan from the start.

Modifié par ratzerman, 28 janvier 2010 - 05:59 .

[DigitalMaster37]

Shavon wrote...

Random question, I have decided to save certain quests for after the final mission. Will Laira's hacking quest be there when I get back? Just wondering. Has anyone actually done post game missions?

I haven't had the conversation about recovering Shep's body with Liara yet. I wonder how bad it is :/

I'm pretty sure it will be there.

[ProjectEva]

vallix wrote...

I hated her role until someone told me that if you're Paragon, she tells you this big story involving your body and how she wanted it back or something of the like. All I got was some nonsense about some guy-friend she had(which only made me jealous) and how she wanted to revenge him.

The collectors officially killed Shepard, I didn't see her jumping at the shot for revenge against them.

Can anyone else confirm this? I imported a Paragon FemShep w/ Liara as a LI and I didn't hear anything like this when I talked to her on Illium.

[tommythetomcat]

It's clear to me that that whatever happens in the comic changes her and thats why she is so distant and unfeeling. I do however agree the dialog could have been delivered with a little more passion... seemed very out of place in a game full of A+++ VO's.