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[Jaron Oberyn]

In the ME trilogy Hacket and Anderson loved to tell Shepard how even though he was a spectre, he's still Alliance military. If that's the case, why was he never promoted over the course of the trilogy? All the stuff he did, and he stays the same rank. The squad mates were the only ones promoted, and they were just along for the ride. This just reeks of bad writing. Bioware did the same thing with SWTOR, where Lana Beniko was promoted for actions the player took.

[Rascoth]

I think it depends how BioWare promotes (well... the other... promote) protagonist. Shepard was the Commander. I think this rank was the most recognised. They kept it for consistency (not saying it was good decision). If Ryder stays Ryder, not "Pathfinder", "Lt." or any other rank (whatever system there is), I suppose there's a chance for promotion. Would like that.

[rocklikeafool]

What you fail to understand is that being promoted past Colonel/Commander/Captain is usually a political process, even in wartime. Shepard was always, even as "good guy Shepard", an outlier who tended to be out of favor with most of command. Hackett was the only one in the Alliance upper ranks who really ever supported Shepard. You only have general officer ranks (general/admiral) to go after Commander, btw. For all of 2, Shepard was a rogue officer; that pretty much rules out any chance of promotion above Commander.

[Jaron Oberyn]

What you fail to understand is that being promoted past Colonel/Commander/Captain is usually a political process, even in wartime. Shepard was always, even as "good guy Shepard", an outlier who tended to be out of favor with most of command. Hackett was the only one in the Alliance upper ranks who really ever supported Shepard. You only have general officer ranks (general/admiral) to go after Commander, btw. For all of 2, Shepard was a rogue officer; that pretty much rules out any chance of promotion above Commander.

Then using your logic Alenko and Williams wouldn't have been promoted. Especially Williams. The military is also detached from politics, so I don't know where you're going with that. Obviously this was done for the reasons Rascoth described, and is another example of a watered down experience in order to appeal to the newcomers. This also isn't confined to ME, I put up an example from SWTOR as well. This seems to be a bioware thing for whatever reason.

[tehturian]

I feel it's a natural evolution in the series for our new protagonist to be a 'Captain'. The ranks fits with this game's themes of embarking on the unknown as well. 

[rocklikeafool]

Then using your logic Alenko and Williams wouldn't have been promoted. Especially Williams. The military is also detached from politics, so I don't know where you're going with that. Obviously this was done for the reasons Rascoth described, and is another example of a watered down experience in order to appeal to the newcomers. This also isn't confined to ME, I put up an example from SWTOR as well. This seems to be a bioware thing for whatever reason.

You don't get it. The military has its own politics, meaning "schmoozing up to the big wigs". Once an officer reaches the rank of colonel/captain, it's all about jockeying for position; don't kid yourself. Why? Because there's a limited amount of positions for colonel/captain. In the Mass Effect universe, Commander was basically the equivalent of colonel/captain, meaning there's only a limited number of Commanders in the Alliance military.

 

That said, both Alenko and Williams were generally party-line soldiers, with exemplary service records. Shepard, by contrast, had a rather sketchy record but was combat effective enough to warrant the rank of Commander. Even Paragon Shepard was the military equivalent of a "fixer", in that he/she cleaned up the mess.

[Wulfram]

I'm not really sure how my Sith Inquisitor could have been promoted further, short of making her Empress. Not that she'd object to that.

As far as promotion, IIRC from what Bioware are saying we may well start lower ranked, and so have opportunities for promotion. I wouldn't really want to go to high up the chain of command when fundamentally the gameplay is about you and two other people shooting stuff.

[wolfsite]

Made sense why Shepard was never promoted to Captain.

 

-Shepard was spaced shortly after the events of ME1 and was considered dead for 2 years.

 

-When Shepard came back the Illusive Man intentionally leaked information about Shepard being alive but also that he/she was now involved with Cerberus which has been labelled as a terrorist group by both the Human Alliance and the Citadel Council (That alone would be enough for a court martial if it wasn't for Shepard's accomplishments and pull with Anderson and Hackett).

 

-By the time ME3 comes around Shepard is being held under house arrest and, for all purposes, discharged from the military for political reasons mostly (If you did Arrival it's probably the only thing preventing war between humans and the Batarians).

 

-Even when Shepard is restored to active duty it is by the approval of Anderson and Hackett who as we all know have ties to Shepard so giving a promotion would be viewed with high criticism...... plus with everything being torn apart by the reapers at the time I'm sure they have bigger things to worry about than ranks.

[Jaron Oberyn]

You don't get it. The military has its own politics, meaning "schmoozing up to the big wigs". Once an officer reaches the rank of colonel/captain, it's all about jockeying for position; don't kid yourself. Why? Because there's a limited amount of positions for colonel/captain. In the Mass Effect universe, Commander was basically the equivalent of colonel/captain, meaning there's only a limited number of Commanders in the Alliance military.

 

That said, both Alenko and Williams were generally party-line soldiers, with exemplary service records. Shepard, by contrast, had a rather sketchy record but was combat effective enough to warrant the rank of Commander. Even Paragon Shepard was the military equivalent of a "fixer", in that he/she cleaned up the mess.

Obviously you don't get it, but don't let me flatten your tin foil hat.

[Shadow Recon117]

It's going to happen after the first mission. Ryder is going to get control of the Tempest and unless everyone else on the ship is an ensign/private or whatever the ME equivalent is then it won't make sense to be put in charge of a ship.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I'm not really sure how my Sith Inquisitor could have been promoted further, short of making her Empress. Not that she'd object to that.

As far as promotion, IIRC from what Bioware are saying we may well start lower ranked, and so have opportunities for promotion. I wouldn't really want to go to high up the chain of command when fundamentally the gameplay is about you and two other people shooting stuff.

Re SWTOR keep playing the new chapters from what I've heard. Lol.

And yeah. Promotion would normally imply a role change. Not something games usually bother with.

[LiechockiRJ]

Made sense why Shepard was never promoted to Captain.

 

-Shepard was spaced shortly after the events of ME1 and was considered dead for 2 years.

 

-When Shepard came back the Illusive Man intentionally leaked information about Shepard being alive but also that he/she was now involved with Cerberus which has been labelled as a terrorist group by both the Human Alliance and the Citadel Council (That alone would be enough for a court martial if it wasn't for Shepard's accomplishments and pull with Anderson and Hackett).

 

-By the time ME3 comes around Shepard is being held under house arrest and, for all purposes, discharged from the military for political reasons mostly (If you did Arrival it's probably the only thing preventing war between humans and the Batarians).

 

-Even when Shepard is restored to active duty it is by the approval of Anderson and Hackett who as we all know have ties to Shepard so giving a promotion would be viewed with high criticism...... plus with everything being torn apart by the reapers at the time I'm sure they have bigger things to worry about than ranks.

 

yes, but sucks as Joker speaks of Alenko in one stretch of 3. It is something like that, "he pointed a gun at a higher ranking officer"

 

NO Joker. Major > Comander.

[AlanC9]

yes, but sucks as Joker speaks of Alenko in one stretch of 3. It is something like that, "he pointed a gun at a higher ranking officer"
 
NO Joker. Major > Comander.

Good point. Some writer forgot the wacky Systems Alliance rank table, I guess.

[aoibhealfae]

I think Joker said "superior officer" which Shepard was at that moment when you recruited Kaidan into your ship as you're back to be his commanding officer. Dr Chakwas is a Major too and you never see her use her rank.

 

In SWTOR, the one with most rank changes was Trooper who started out as Sargeant and ended up being a Commander in KOTFE. But in SWTOR lore, Commander itself is an honorary title for those in charge, and not a specific rank in the military system.

[RagingCalgarian]

Shepard didn't need any promotions. Shepard was a spectre. 

[Cyonan]

I imagine Shep was never promoted for consistency reasons because as noted, one of the titles NPCs used to refer to Shep was simply "the commander".

 

If they want to get promotions in for Andromeda, then they should probably stick to referring to the PC as Ryder for the most part.

[GoldenGail3]

Shepard didn't need any promotions. Shepard was a spectre. 

A dead one at that.