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Timeline Changed in the Keep


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Gervaise

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I was comparing the timeline given in the Keep with that given in World of Thedas.   Clearly the Keep would seem to be the most up to date one.   This makes the history much less ambiguous regarding the appearance of humans relative to the creation of the Veil:

 

-3900 - Humans first appearance

-2850 - Elven immortality ends

-2800 - Human mages first appear

 

So humans were around a thousand years before the raising of the Veil.   That puts a whole different perspective on the matter.   Clearly when the entry says in Temple of Mythal that Andruil grew tired of hunting mortals it probably did mean humans.    However, the really odd thing is how human mages only appear after the raising of the Veil.   That is strange and I don't see how it was just coincidental.   Nor would it seem just a simple matter of cross-breeding between elves and humans, because they had a thousand years to be doing that before then.   So I wonder what it was about the conditions that arose after raising the Veil that allowed human mages to develop?



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thats1evildude

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No, elves remained immortal for some time after the raising of the Veil. Then humans showed up. 2850 is when elves noticed they were dying of old age, and the elves assumed the shemlen were to blame.

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Interesting.

 

I'm sure you're aware of the theories of the Veil being a frequency wave that distorts perception. If the preveil world had particular waves of frequencies, and that frequency was dismantled. Well, then that would change the nature of the various realms. That distortion would allow fade magic to penetrate mortal perceptions. These perceptions allow the interaction through dreams with the Old Gods that taught them how to use blood magic. It is possible that blood magic was always available to humans, they just didn't know how to access it. It would be interesting if Blood Magic is simply mortal magic, and humans have turned their back on a natural ability for a more exotic option. Then again, I am still not sure how blood mages access the fade to become possessed...that one is mind boggling. 



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Heimdall

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Do we really know that there were no human mages before? I thought it was just dreamers who were new and emerged in that time.

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Gervaise

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No, this is what I am getting at.   I don't know who did the entry in the Keep (I assume it was an official bioware person) but it is different from the entries in World of Thedas.  Those seemed more muddled about when blood magic was first used, when the first Dreamers appeared, etc, but the Keep is very clear on the matter.

 

-3900 - Humans appear  (in WoT it was -3100 so it may be a typo)

-2850 - Elven Immortality ends (this is literally what it says, unlike in WoT where it simply says they first felt the Quickening.   So this has to be the date for the Veil)

-2800 - Elven mages first appear (just mages not first human dreamers, which is what is stated in WoT for that date)

-1780 - Tevinter formed (by this it means the kingdom of Tevinter, not the Imperium)

-1595 - Blood magic is first practiced.  (This agrees with the entry in WoT.   It is taught by Dumat to Thalsian. who is credited in WoT2 with being the first Dreamer.)

 

In WoT2 Thalsian is credited with bringing the worship of the old gods to Tevinter, although he was actually a Neromenian and the two kingdoms didn't unite until Darinius, some 400 years later.   The Neromenians patron gods were Dumat, Toth and Luscan and he was a priest of Dumat, whereas the first patron god of Tevinter was Razikale).   It is not clear if Razikale ever taught blood magic to her followers or whether the practice was only adopted from the adjoining kingdom.


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