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[KumoriYami]

So.... Deus Ex Mankind Divided comes out soon. I totally went and pre-ordered it lol... literally counting down the days...(while also lamenting the loss of the forums in that time,,,) 

 

Anyway, as Mass Effect is set in the future and since humanity today is currently developing new human augmentations from affordable prosthetics, implants that enable hearing (not the same as a hearing aid since it those only turn up the volume of what you hear), devices that allow people to 'hear' colour and exoskeletons that grant people the ability to walk... does anyone hope/think that we'll see more humans using technology to advance themselves either through external or internal implants?

 

I kinda hope to see something in Andromeda mainly because I'm fascinated by human augmentations and believe that in the future there will be more accessibility for devices for those who need/want them... especially if one is in the military or heading off on a one-way trip to another galaxy that's likely full of danger when coming from a place that's deemed you one of the only chances that humanity has for its continued survival. Taking every advantage available technological or otherwise on such a journey is only... logical.

 

Thoughts?

 

Also, if you happened to be interested in mechanical augments you might want to check out the Human x Design which was a conference presented by Deus Ex: Mankind Divided.

 

 

[Ralfufigus]

Biomechanical augmentations have always been a thing in the ME universe. In ME2, it was possible to research different things, like skin and muscle weaves that add extra durability to your natural body. I do agree though that it would be cool to see things of this nature more prominently displayed in character models.

[Mcfly616]

transhumanism was prevalent throughout the entire trilogy...

[Laughing_Man]

Sure, I'd want to see a greater focus on it.

[Vortex13]

I wouldn't mind seeing some elements of it in Andromeda, but personally I think that the whole mechanical augment/"Am I a real boy?" side of this topic has been done ad nauseum in various forms of media.

 

I think that the other side of transhumanism, namely the splicing of other species' traits into our own DNA would be a far more interesting, and relatively untapped side of the discussion. Are you still a human if you incorporate Elcor strength, and Krogan organ redundancies into your form?

[Kantr]

 

 

I think that the other side of transhumanism, namely the splicing of other species' traits into our own DNA would be a far more interesting, and relatively untapped side of the discussion. Are you still a human if you incorporate Elcor strength, and Krogan organ redundancies into your form?

No, by doing that you become a hybrid or chimera depending on the parts. 

[Vortex13]

No, by doing that you become a hybrid or chimera depending on the parts. 

 

 

See that's what I mean, that has way more input than giving ourselves an artificial heart or prosthetic leg. To me, people who do that are still human, they've just taken aspects of other species and used them to improve themselves. 

 

Same end goal as the people who augment themselves with tech, just different methods.

[niniendowarrior]

I personally don't want this to be part of the themes of Mass Effect.  Transhumanism and augmentations with all their human issues is Deus Ex's space.  Let it be theirs.  Mass Effect seems more to me like Sci-Fantasy pop where a rag tag of heroes save the galaxy.  Keep it that way.

 

Just my two cents.

[aoibhealfae]

ME1 already have hinted that everyone is implanted and enhanced at some point and some are a common standard in the military. I wished ME2 explored Shepard's new alteration better. Dr Chakwas talk about how Shepard is technically half synthetic.

[Iakus]

Given Bioware's views on transhumanism = Synthesis, no, I'd rather not see it addressed at all...

[Kantr]

See that's what I mean, that has way more input than giving ourselves an artificial heart or prosthetic leg. To me, people who do that are still human, they've just taken aspects of other species and used them to improve themselves. 

 

Same end goal as the people who augment themselves with tech, just different methods.

Well if you use others parts your still human, ignoring the whole fact that you can't use krogan body parts.

 

If you're engineered in the womb but your germ line is still the same then you're an advanced human, however if you can pass on those adaptations, then you would be h-word Sapiens Krogan. Or w/e

[Big I]

Based on the codex, radical genetic alteration is illegal. Improvements to existing human abilities (better eyesight, eliminating allergies etc) are perfectly fine. Based on a mission on Noveria in ME1, commercial genetic enhancement (the ones used by Alliance soldiers) top out at about a 10% improvement in physical abilities. The creation of designed intelligent life, either biological or synthetic, is also illegal.

[LinksOcarina]

Synthesis was transhumanism. I think they took care of that plot point already. 

[Laughing_Man]

Synthesis was transhumanism. I think they took care of that plot point already. 

 

Synthesis is Utopia. It is the ending of Lord of The Rings where the Hobbit boards a ship to heaven.

 

Transhumanism is about a reality, sometimes a gritty one, where humans use genetic modifications (maybe to the extreme) to survive under harsh conditions, prevalent use of bionic implants, digital personas, and so on.

 

The topic can be interesting, assuming BW can avoid their natural urge to take sides and ham-fistedly preach morality on the subject.

It can also offer interesting possibilities when it comes to gameplay.

 

Mass effect already had minor elements of this, but they were very muted.

ME2 barely mentioned the fact that Shepard was a cyborg, or that he probably was a sort-of clone of himself since the original organic tissue died.

[Vortex13]

Well if you use others parts your still human, ignoring the whole fact that you can't use krogan body parts.

 

If you're engineered in the womb but your germ line is still the same then you're an advanced human, however if you can pass on those adaptations, then you would be h-word Sapiens Krogan. Or w/e

 

 

But if a person could undergo genetic modification at any point in their life after being born, and add in such traits as enhanced musculature and skeletal design that allows them to jump 20 feet vertically, or a series of adapted hyperactive regenerative tissues, who's to say that they are not still human? Sure, such alterations are illegal in Citadel space, but that's in the Milky Way, and who's to say that such limitations wouldn't actively hinder people trying to colonize a new planet with an extreme environment? In many ways, genetic alterations like this would be more practical than their tech based equivalents.

 

Assuming that the process of modification is stable, once a person is 'gene modded' they can carry on with their lives without having to worry about things breaking down or wearing out; at least not nearly as frequently as mechanical equipment. They wouldn't have to worry about the need for resources, like say ezzo cores to power lifting equipment, if they are capable of lifting several tons on their own. For a group of refuges operating on their own, with limited to zero established supply lines having your needs met via biological methods would be way more cost effective than hoping that 'Ole Betsy' can last long enough to finish construction on that habitat.

[LinksOcarina]

Synthesis is Utopia. It is the ending of Lord of The Rings where the Hobbit boards a ship to heaven.

 

Transhumanism is about a reality, sometimes a gritty one, where humans use genetic modifications (maybe to the extreme) to survive under harsh conditions, prevalent use of bionic implants, digital personas, and so on.

 

The topic can be interesting, assuming BW can avoid their natural urge to take sides and ham-fistedly preach morality on the subject.

It can also offer interesting possibilities when it comes to gameplay.

 

Mass effect already had minor elements of this, but they were very muted.

ME2 barely mentioned the fact that Shepard was a cyborg, or that he probably was a sort-of clone of himself since the original organic tissue died.

 

Ok fair enough, you got me there on the specific definition.

 

How about Geth/Quarian conflict following some transhumanist tendencies?

[Draining Dragon]

Will I get to augment my vision?

[Laughing_Man]

Will I get to augment my vision?

 

That's exclusive to the VR version of the game...

[Ruadh]

Remember the last Deus Ex game that came out just before ME:3? You know, the one that Casey Hudson became publicly infatuated with to the point that it clearly had an influence on ME:3's ending? Anybody?

 

 The cycle must continue.

[Laughing_Man]

Remember the last Deus Ex game that came out just before ME:3? You know, the one that Casey Hudson became publicly infatuated with to the point that it clearly had an influence on ME:3's ending? Anybody?

 

 The cycle must continue.

 

Oh dear... Well, I didn't mean it like this...

[Kantr]

But if a person could undergo genetic modification at any point in their life after being born, and add in such traits as enhanced musculature and skeletal design that allows them to jump 20 feet vertically, or a series of adapted hyperactive regenerative tissues, who's to say that they are not still human? Sure, such alterations are illegal in Citadel space, but that's in the Milky Way, and who's to say that such limitations wouldn't actively hinder people trying to colonize a new planet with an extreme environment? In many ways, genetic alterations like this would be more practical than their tech based equivalents.

 

Assuming that the process of modification is stable, once a person is 'gene modded' they can carry on with their lives without having to worry about things breaking down or wearing out; at least not nearly as frequently as mechanical equipment. They wouldn't have to worry about the need for resources, like say ezzo cores to power lifting equipment, if they are capable of lifting several tons on their own. For a group of refuges operating on their own, with limited to zero established supply lines having your needs met via biological methods would be way more cost effective than hoping that 'Ole Betsy' can last long enough to finish construction on that habitat.

That's what I'm saying. You're a modified human if you get them added in, but if you got them from your parents and they carry on in your sperm or eggs then you're starting to become (if not already) a new (sub) species. Think of it as defining people who can drink milk as adults versus those who can't.