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[Some Dude On The Internet]

I'm beginning to think either the Crows are WAY overrated, or they're having a really bad season... I mean Zev folds quicker than a cheap lawn chair during his assasassasasninonatin 'kill the player' attempt, and the one they sent  to retireve him (Talesein?) wasn't much harder than the thugs accompanying him.

I think the Crows must really specialize in media manipulation and spin, and their only actual kills are from blind luck (starmetal metors hitting their targets, etc.) or taking credit for folks killed by darkspawn. In fact, I bet that's why no one else ever comes after Zev - because there were only the two of them to begin with.

[Addai]

I'm sure they build up their reputation- that is good business. However, my take on Zevran is that he deliberately mucked the assassination attempt on the Wardens, for his own personal reasons. Taliesin could have done better, too- granted. I would have expected something sneakier than a gang brawl.



The Crows do come after Zevran again, however. If your PC romances him and does the self-sacrifice ending, there is a quite interesting and heartbreaking epilogue card about it.

[Sabriana]

If the relationship with the PC is high enough, Zevran will explain to her what drove him to the assassination attempt. That will explain the whole weird set-up of his ambush.



Taliesin was overconfident. I agree with LostScout, they didn't even consider that the GW and her party are a whole other kettle of fish than the average quarry.

[Some Dude On The Internet]

LostScout wrote...

Well, in all fairness to the Crows, they are used to murdering unsuspecting people who never had a clue someone was trying to kill them.  You, on the other hand, are a fearsome slayer of darkspawn with a heavily armed party who are used to being ambushed by darkspawn, or bandits, or wolves or spiders or something every time you travel.  Hard to surprise someone who is so paranoid they sleep in full armor.

Yeah, Arl Howe sold that one to Loghain... "Sire, it's only a tank, 2 mages, and a big hunk of rock on 2 legs... surely a skinny elf with a couple of daggers can handle it!":whistle:

[Sialater]

LostScout wrote...

Well, in all fairness to the Crows, they are used to murdering unsuspecting people who never had a clue someone was trying to kill them.  You, on the other hand, are a fearsome slayer of darkspawn with a heavily armed party who are used to being ambushed by darkspawn, or bandits, or wolves or spiders or something every time you travel.  Hard to surprise someone who is so paranoid they sleep in full armor.

Truth. 

[ejoslin]

Yes, Zevran's attack was definitely designed to fail. You can tell even before he confirms that. "Help! We're being attacked! SAVE US!" Hahahaha, yep, the only surprising thing about it is his team didn't realize what was up.

[ReubenLiew]

Just wait till they send Altair...

[DJ0000]

But look at the trial of crows they were successful there with you doing their work for them, if you chose to. Clearly they can be successful when they hire the right people.



Also, if Zevran tried to fail, how could he be sure you wouldn't kill him? Even if you didn't mean to, throwing fireballs and swinging blades all over the place could have easily ended with his throat slit. Doesn't make sense to me.

[Eudaemonium]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Just wait till they send Altair...

Altair would kill half your party and then become invisible by sitting on a bench or chilling with some Chanters. Force to be reckoned with.

Ezio would just shoot you. Possibly after paying Zevran a great deal of coin.

[Sialater]

DJ0000 wrote...

But look at the trial of crows they were successful there with you doing their work for them, if you chose to. Clearly they can be successful when they hire the right people.

Also, if Zevran tried to fail, how could he be sure you wouldn't kill him? Even if you didn't mean to, throwing fireballs and swinging blades all over the place could have easily ended with his throat slit. Doesn't make sense to me.

Uh... he's attempting suicide by Grey Warden.  If you romance him, or get him high enough approval he admits this to you and why.

[Grossbard]

How baller would it be if Vincent from final fantasy 7 was in the crows. Don't know why I just thought of that but damn

[Daewan]

Taliesin did a crappy job because he was expecting Zevran to help him, and he didn't want to kill Zevran.



Zevran was doing the equivalent of suicide by cop-killing.

[ReubenLiew]

Hehehe...

Sam Fisher as a crow... hehehe.

[Realmzmaster]

DJ0000

Zevran wanted to die. He just cannot bring himself to kill himself. Sabriana is correct. If your approval with Zervan is high enough he will explain the attempt. You also get a clue if you take him on the Urn quest. The Guardian will ask him a question that gives some insight.

[ejoslin]

DJ0000 wrote...

But look at the trial of crows they were successful there with you doing their work for them, if you chose to. Clearly they can be successful when they hire the right people.

Also, if Zevran tried to fail, how could he be sure you wouldn't kill him? Even if you didn't mean to, throwing fireballs and swinging blades all over the place could have easily ended with his throat slit. Doesn't make sense to me.

He wanted to die.  If you got to know him, you would know this.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Icenzo, whatever his name is, tells us that the Crows have been assassinating alot of people during the civil war and, accordign to him, have actually made life easier for the Warden. Maybe he was lying.

The Crows are in full force in Antiva though.

[Sialater]

Ignacio's a pain to take out, though.





So, no, Zevran wasn't trying very hard. And Taliesin isn't half the fighter his ex-partner is.

[Realmzmaster]

Taliesin was overconfident. He did not think Zervan was his equal. Your party was no match for his squad. One of the endings states that the Crows sent several master assassins after Zervan, but all the attempts failed. The Crows then reinstate Zervan as their leader.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 28 janvier 2010 - 07:16 .

[Chas1024]

Actually Leliana is secretly working with the Crows. Having successfully infaltrated your party she tries to love you to death. That's why it is so hard to avoid a romance with her. Unfortunatly for the Crow your renowned Grey Warden staminia means it could take her several years to finish the job.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The Crows are actually quite a major force. In fact, one of the codexes pretty much states that the main reason Antiva doesn't get invaded or occupied for any signifigant length of time is because of the crows. Antiva has no standing military, yet even the qunari won't **** with them, and that's saying alot. Especially considering it took several exhalted marches involving several nations to drive the qunari back from other lands.



Anyone who can pretty much give the qunari pause is a serious force to be reckoned with.



So I think, that the Crows really are seriously badd ass mofos, and even moreso because you see next to little of them in game, yet their influence seems to be in alot of places you'd never think.

[QuiTamGogh]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

The Crows are actually quite a major force. In fact, one of the codexes pretty much states that the main reason Antiva doesn't get invaded or occupied for any signifigant length of time is because of the crows. Antiva has no standing military, yet even the qunari won't **** with them, and that's saying alot. Especially considering it took several exhalted marches involving several nations to drive the qunari back from other lands.

Anyone who can pretty much give the qunari pause is a serious force to be reckoned with.

So I think, that the Crows really are seriously badd ass mofos, and even moreso because you see next to little of them in game, yet their influence seems to be in alot of places you'd never think.

This is probably good lore, but in game, I think it would be hilarious.  A fight between Zevran and Sten would be like a pillow fight between sleeping children.  If one could manage to hit the other, the fight would be over. 

Based upon this observation, I guess the Qunari have reason to fear -- if the first to strike wins, I'd put my money on backstabbers.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

QuiTamGogh wrote...

This is probably good lore, but in game, I think it would be hilarious.  A fight between Zevran and Sten would be like a pillow fight between sleeping children.  If one could manage to hit the other, the fight would be over. 

Based upon this observation, I guess the Qunari have reason to fear -- if the first to strike wins, I'd put my money on backstabbers.

Smart money's always on the Crows, when they are within their home territory. Which is why Antiva remains a soverign, if somewhat anarchic, nation.

[Some Dude On The Internet]

Well, my OP was mostly tongue-in-cheek... but still it would be nice if the two supposedly high-ranking crows you meet in the main story were a tiny bit more awe-inspiring.

[Sialater]

Uh, Zevran's not high ranking. He admits to being surprised he got the contract.