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The thing I don't like about Morrigan is that she is so unpredictable when talking to her. Sometimes she likes flattery, sometimes she hates it. Sometimes she likes violence, sometimes she hates it. The only thing you can count on is that she's usually pragmatic.


And it seems to me, sometimes she just enjoys to rub you on the wrong side and takes takes the oppostion for the sake of teasing the others a bit. It's a feeling i know well :)

But you don't need Redcliffe. You need Arl Eamon and his support, but you do not need any villager. She never advocated to let the Arl die, she just claimed it's more important to go to the castle and take care of what's really important than risk your life saving villagers (she does not say it like that, but c'mon, she is designed to rub and annoy people, she can't argue that reasonably, otherwise no one would hate her ;)).
Redcliffe village, not the castle or the Arl, are completely unimportant, and correct me if i am wrong, but theres no penalty i know of if you choose to abandon these people.
That does not fit with our or my morals, and it's a hard decision, but it's neither evil nor senseless, and that's the very issue of war itself: soldiers give their life, and that of others, for the well being of the people they defend. And for the two remainign Warden's the only thing that matters is killing the Arch demon, NOTHING else (and as even the villagers tell you, no Darkspawn in Redcliffe)

Modifié par MoSa09, 11 janvier 2010 - 06:49 .


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Nhomis the Dark

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Morrigan’s personality is well developed until her affection to the Warden changes to ‘love’; something she cannot accept. At that stage the game should have offered *MUCH* more ways to make conversations with her, discuss the matter and eventually come to agreement for both acceptable. But the choices offered are poor and annoying. Even when considering the plot.
It’s a game, that means choices should always lead to fun. Since romancing is such a big deal in this game, players should be satisfied with what they can accomplish. In ‘real’ life a blunt ‘no’ without good explanation would often be reason enough to quit a relationship. In a game this should be avoided.
Another thing is that male’s don’t have much choice here: Either Morrigan or the religion fanatic Leliana if you want a woman. In the end no choice at all… :unsure:

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To each his own.  While Morrigan isn't exactly a "battered woman," there are those in real life who are psychologically damaged by abusive relationships.  They don't exactly need "fixing" by a decent guy, but they're not going to be as happy-go-lucky, fawning over you like Leliana either.

Sadly, I think you may actually be more shallow and callous than Morrigan.  If you think about it, you're acting just like her.  Morrigan has never been shown any sort of kindness, so you are just happy to let her rot and die.  How is that any different from her disinterest in trying to save a pretty worthless barmaid or a pair of orphans who will
most likely just end up in a worse situation anyway.  You can't exactly adopt them yourself, and they'll probably just get eaten by darkspawn on the way to wherever you send them.

Morrigan needs your help.  She may not exactly be locked in a dungeon, but she does need to be saved.  (Saved from the poison fed to her by Flemeth)


You have to be kidding me.  You are now personally attacking me because I do not like your pixel love interest.

Personally attacking you?  I call it like I see it.  You were acting very shallow and callous, which you even admitted.  You need to grow a thicker skin.  In any case, I actually went with Leliana, but nice try.  Morrigan is for later, when I don't go the "goody two shoes" route.  I actually prefer the conversation Morrigan has with you if she just considers you her friend.  It's much more satisfying, and actually shows that she does have a soul.  Perhaps you're just too interested in getting in virtual bed with the NPCs to follow the friend path.

In some instances, you are correct, I AM more shallow and callous than Morrigan because I would rather just not deal with an emotionally unstable and self professed manipulative person like her.  No, I do not
wish for her to rot and die (where did you see me say that?)  She IS only a highly flawed character in a game though, so her emotions do not mean that much to me.  If she were real, preferrably, she could get
some help from someone far more qualified in the psychology field than you or I because she would most likely get more screwed up than she was before either of us did our little faux psychological help.

If you're just going to treat all of the characters as "just characters in a video game," then why are you playing an RPG?  The point of an RPG is to immerse yourself in the world as though you are really there, interacting with "real" people.

Who's to say she is not manipulating you to "think"  she is turning a corner anyway?

I am, and so are the developers.  Her responses make no sense if she's just being manipulative.  Besides, depending on your choices, you actually do change the characters.  Take Anora for example...

Trying to help out Redcliff, is not a waste of time nor resources, you need it for support later in the game.  Sten I could understand because he is just anxious to kill darkspawn, Morrigan on the other hand KNOWS why
you are there and KNOWS you are trying to do something important for the future.  I am sure she understands you need to collect the leaves before you can boil the brew.

Trying to help out Redcliff is a danger that is too risky for the last two remaining Grey Wardens in Ferelden.  Morrigan sees the battle as a lost cause, and rightly considers the best course of action to be going straight for Loghain.  She does have a good point, just as Sten does later.

Helping out those who can not help themselves is better than not doing anything, no matter if
"something" might happen to them later.  Guess what, if that were the case, we might as well not worry about stopping the Archdemon, because, geeze something bad might happen anyway.

You're not doing nothing.  You're stopping the blight.  Picking flowers and coddling orphans does not help the archdemon die.  Should we stop along the way to spend a few days with Habitat for Humanity?  I mean, people need houses in Ferelden too...

Really, the character is great, I am quite happy that they made a person that could get you
so emotionally invested.  I hope you continue to enjoy your digital romance with her.  She is not someone for me, she is for people like you.  Just to warn you off, I am not infatuated with Leliana either. 
This is not an either/or situation.  I am on no "team".  Well, I wouldn't have minded Isabella being a companion, or Wynne to lose a few (a lot of) years.

None of my responses were about romance.  Again, your closed-mindedness has blinded you to the possibility of anyone defending Morrigan as a virtual "friend" instead of a love interest.

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Congratulations on being so weak-minded that you have to rely on others to "win" the Internet for you.  If you have something meaningful to say, then speak for yourself.

Modifié par EJ42, 11 janvier 2010 - 07:23 .


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Costin_Razvan

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Another thing is that male’s don’t have much choice here: Either Morrigan or the religion fanatic Leliana if you want a woman. In the end no choice at all… :unsure:


Hardened Leliana is much more "interesting" to put it lightly,

What I like about Morrigan is that, although coming out at first as a ****, shows herself to be a true friend/lover in the end.

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I love Morrigan's character. One of the best parts of the game. You never really quite know where you stand with her, and she's full of her own interesting quirks and vulnerabilities. I'm also happy BioWare managed to craft a character I'm so ambivalent about. She's smart, funny, vulnerable and sexy, (every word out of her mouth is suggestive - she uses sex as a weapon to get what she wants) but she can also be cruel, manipulative, and fails to see how helping people can actually be pragmatic because she's been isolated so long. No matter how much you like her, you can never completely trust her.

Also, I'm glad that her character arc is very subtle. The best part about her is that she feels the most like a fully realized character in that she's got motivations and desires that are all her own and exist entirely independently from you.

Modifié par Dick Delaware, 11 janvier 2010 - 07:51 .


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Morrigan I think is the better written of the two. Leilana seems like she took one too many blows to the head, she's a little out there. Its not that shes not cool and all, it just seems like they didn't put as much time in to her as they did any of the others.

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Does my human "male" warrior class character have to be completely "evil" and "mean" in Dragon Age: Origins to gain Morrigan's respect and to do the romance ritual and etc. with Morrigan in the game?, and, I also want to be able to keep "Leliana" the rogue / archer woman in my party as well, how would this all be done properly in the game?

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Carrok7 wrote...

Does my human "male" warrior class character have to be completely "evil" and "mean" in Dragon Age: Origins to gain Morrigan's respect and to do the romance ritual and etc. with Morrigan in the game?, and, I also want to be able to keep "Leliana" the rogue / archer woman in my party as well, how would this all be done properly in the game?


That's common thinking, but no, you don't.
First of all, there's more than enough gift's for her to compensate for her approval loss throughout the game. But playing it rightly, you won't need that shortcut.
Secondly, save before these decisions and try different dialogue options, by choosing the right way (generally it's arguing with her and try to show her a different perspective) you can reduce her loss of approval to a great extent, in some cases you can even eradicate it completely (in some cases you'll need to make a persuasion check, so don't forget to skill that, you'll need it anyway throughout the game, if you romance her or not).
In camp talk with her, there are three options. Agree to everything she says, highest approval. Slightly disapprove on her viewpoints and share your own ideas (recommend that), less approval. Mess it up, approval loss. Save before and try, you'll know what i mean after a while.
If you not only want her to sleep with her but real love, generally, if you do her favor, don't ask for something in return. Nothing more without spoiling. More importantly, there will be one single conversation where she tries to speak to you about love, in her very own words. That's the decisive point every character has throughout game, and that is her's: don't mess this up, or the love plot is inevitably gone. But it's not as difficult as it sounds, when you're at it, you'll recognize what brings you to love and what will mess up. Save before and just try.
Sounds way more difficult then it is, given you a more or less complete walkthrough.
Argue with her, and you can greatly reduce approval loss. Don't mess up the love conversation (if you want to have love, that is), and everything is fine

Modifié par MoSa09, 11 janvier 2010 - 08:54 .


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Carrok7 wrote...

Does my human "male" warrior class character have to be completely "evil" and "mean" in Dragon Age: Origins to gain Morrigan's respect and to do the romance ritual and etc. with Morrigan in the game?, and, I also want to be able to keep "Leliana" the rogue / archer woman in my party as well, how would this all be done properly in the game?

No.  How you respond to her does make a big difference, though.  Responding unfavorably when she talks about herself is not going to win you any points.

Just make sure to do right by her.  Treat her with respect, and do not disagree with her viewpoints so much in the beginning.  Then, give her some nice shiny baubles, and she'll start to warm up to you.

I actually managed to get on her good side without ever even giving her any gifts, because I know how she thinks (well, how she was programmed to "think").

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I played over 25 hours already and i can that i like her more than that fanatic Leliana or the crying templar named Alistair.
I started to put some interest in Morrigan when i checked her items and i saw +18 and i said "Wtf?" then i checked alistair and Leliana  were over 0 so i started using the gift option with morrigan.
Sorry if my english isnt perfect :P

Modifié par Meph144, 11 janvier 2010 - 09:03 .


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Meph144 wrote...

I played over 25 hours already and i can that i like her more than that fanatic Leliana or the crying templar named Alistair.
I started to put some interest in Morrigan when i checked her items and i saw +18 and i said "Wtf?" then i checked alistair and Leliana  were over 0 so i started using the gift option with morrigan.
Sorry if my english isnt perfect :P


what are you talking about, your english is perfect :)

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For me Morrigan was a fantastic character in the game, i only hope she will be in awakening but i also fear she wont be. Even a side quest for her would be cool

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I'm happy about Morrigan being in the game.
But do I ( as myself, and not as the character I'm roleplaying) like her personality ?
Clearly not because she is a selfish b..female mabari.

Modifié par elys, 14 janvier 2010 - 06:44 .


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Eagle oo8i

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I have 6 playthroughs going right now.

4 are romancing Morrigan. The other two are romancing others ONLY for achievments. <- yeah, misspelled that!



Im so good with her now that I get her to ask me to lay with her the very first time I go to camp, right after lothering! just walked right up to her, and she greats me with the cold tent line! I'm better than I thought.

But yah, she's awesome. and I know she will be in next game.

she has to be.

It just wouldn't be dragon age without the scary witch.

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Morrigan is too weird.

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Morrigan's an interesting character and her behavior is understandable, given her upbringing. I can sympathize with her to a point. But I can't say that I really LIKE her.

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I love both Lelianna and Morrigan. :D

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Carrok7 wrote...

Does my human "male" warrior class character have to be completely "evil" and "mean" in Dragon Age: Origins to gain Morrigan's respect and to do the romance ritual and etc. with Morrigan in the game?, and, I also want to be able to keep "Leliana" the rogue / archer woman in my party as well, how would this all be done properly in the game?


 You can get her into bed straight after Lothering if you play it right, just like Alistair. Nothing was quite so disturbing as her first gift to my male Dwarf. Oh wait, 'cept the love scene.

 Don't really like Morrigan that much, from what little I saw of her romance she's weird and clingy and would be quite frankly terrifying were she male. I'm predicting murder/suicide between her and my Dorf.

Modifié par Harelda, 14 janvier 2010 - 11:55 .


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I hate lelianna shes to nice and reminds me of a nun, i cant have imaginary sex with a nun. morgans look reminds me of megan fox which is good also morgan's personality is good along with her sense of humour

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I admit I would have expected her to be more interesting based on the concept art alone. But that is another issue, and I find her quite tolerable.

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dragonagesucks wrote...

Morrigan is too weird.

In the Dragon Age universe, wierd is good.

In real life...not so much...

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I think she as a lot of sex apeal with that "im totally in love but im a bad girl and cant show it"

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LegatusI wrote...

I think she as a lot of sex apeal with that "im totally in love but im a bad girl and cant show it"


Have you romanced her? its nothing like what you say! its more of, "im totally in love with you and I hate you for it. please break up with me because I love you to much to do it myself."

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Actually Morrigan reminds me allot about my first gf, she was also a ****.

edit: oh.. I see so they auto censour certain words here. Oh well.

**** = a female dog

Modifié par Lopper128, 15 janvier 2010 - 12:55 .


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I <3 Morrigan!!!! I love the original game model but am using Morrigan version 15 by Dracomies and loving her even more.

http://www.dragonage.../file.php?id=92

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