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Bioware is much more clever than you think regarding LI's


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Remember emotionally engaging? Well being pissed off is an emotion too. You basically get shot down by Liara/Kaiden/Ashley pretty hard while you are shown all these other women/men/Thane during your trip.

You're mad at you're ex, and there's a pile of opporunities sitting around you. I thought this was one of the most clever things they've ever done.

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Indeed.





Liara's case is just sad. She's changed so much she's not the same woman my Shep fell in love with anymore.



Consumed by anger, driven by hate. I walked away from her office truly stunned at what she's become. She said she wouldn't become her mother but she's so close it's not even funny.

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BW's way of trying to get their fans to "move on" as well, just like the ME1 LI's did. :P Want to stay loyal? Well, first these ME1 LI's are going to beat you with a stick. Profusely. Then BW will dangle new LI's in your face who will toss you carrots. XD

I never romanced any of the ME1 LI's, but I can definitely understand the disappointment.  Heck, I was disappointed with how it was handled.

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Da Mecca wrote...

Indeed.


Liara's case is just sad. She's changed so much she's not the same woman my Shep fell in love with anymore.

Consumed by anger, driven by hate. I walked away from her office truly stunned at what she's become. She said she wouldn't become her mother but she's so close it's not even funny.


Backstory for me3 if i ever heard one.

"I'm going to fix you by killing the person who upsets you." says paragon shep. (seems to be a trend of gaining loyalty)

"Lets go raid orphanages together with your new personality" says renegade shep.

Modifié par pacer90, 28 janvier 2010 - 07:01 .


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I moved on from Liara pretty quick. Like someone said, she lost who she was in her quest for vengeance. Tali went through some rough times, but she always had my back. Sorry Liara...I just hope she doesn't put a hit out on my favorite Quarian...

So much for Liara's mind melding supposedly meaning something.  I can get Ashley moving on, she's human and pragmatic, but Liara?  You ain't gonna tie me down, as the New Boyz song says.

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Indeed. While the ME2 characters are all very compelling and so are their romances, I still think the ME1 love story is far more interesting and wrought with drama and conflict that makes you feel angry, hurt, vindictive sad and hopeful all at the same time. It's a very mature direction Bioware has gone with this I think.



....all my respect for Bioware in this area will fly out the window though if ME3 comes around and the conclusion to this love story isnt' epic.



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Da Mecca wrote...

Indeed.


Liara's case is just sad. She's changed so much she's not the same woman my Shep fell in love with anymore.

Consumed by anger, driven by hate. I walked away from her office truly stunned at what she's become. She said she wouldn't become her mother but she's so close it's not even funny.


This. Mcuh of what drew me to Liara in the first game was how innocent she was. Now that that's gone, she's not nearly as appealing. And Femsheps not being able to romance Tali just makes the situation even worse:crying:

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Agreed. I don't understand why people even thought our ME 1 LI's were going to go all googoogaagaa over Shepard and everything would be rainbows and sunshine. It's been two years, they thought you were dead, grieved you, and moved on. Not to mention you are now working for an organization that they know tortured and killed people in ME 1.

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Da Mecca wrote...

Indeed.


Liara's case is just sad. She's changed so much she's not the same woman my Shep fell in love with anymore.

Consumed by anger, driven by hate. I walked away from her office truly stunned at what she's become. She said she wouldn't become her mother but she's so close it's not even funny.


It's interesting people say this, because it contrasts with other LI--when Ashley finds out you're working with the big C, it's clear she's not sure if you're the man she fell in love with.

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Bigeyez wrote...

Agreed. I don't understand why people even thought our ME 1 LI's were going to go all googoogaagaa over Shepard and everything would be rainbows and sunshine. It's been two years, they thought you were dead, grieved you, and moved on. Not to mention you are now working for an organization that they know tortured and killed people in ME 1.


Makes it that much sweeter when you can stick it to Cerberus. XD

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Yea, I didn't think BW could make me dislike Ashley but they way she talked to me made me mad. So.. HI MIRANDA :D

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Da Mecca wrote...

She said she wouldn't become her mother but she's so close it's not even funny.


Exactly. I was chilled, not amused, to hear her ask an extortion victim if he'd ever faced Asari commandos before.

Her mom, word per word: it was cold.

Modifié par Thompson family, 28 janvier 2010 - 07:11 .


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Two years go by, I get it.  But still...ugh.  Goodbye old loves.

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Thompson family wrote...

Da Mecca wrote...

She said she wouldn't become her mother but she's so close it's not even funny.


Exactly. I was chilled, not amused, to hear her ask an extortion victim if he'd ever faced Asari commandos before.

Her mom, word per word: it was cold.


Yeah I loved that reference (not at the time though). Clearly it's a story for ME3 since video games are all about the chase. You don't go back to the Normandy in ME3 and just sit there watching the 6 o clock news together, there has to be a conflict or an exploration.

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All three characters, Ash, Kaidan and Liara have the potential for really interesting stuff in ME3. All of our angst and confusion and horror and disappointment with them is just fuel for fantastic storyline.

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Liara is going to be one of the more interesting plotlines going into ME3. Her quest for revenge against the Shadow Broker will likely conclude during the course of ME3 (with her joining your squad of course). Will be interesting to see the choices you can make regarding the situation.

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pacer90 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Da Mecca wrote...

She said she wouldn't become her mother but she's so close it's not even funny.


Exactly. I was chilled, not amused, to hear her ask an extortion victim if he'd ever faced Asari commandos before.

Her mom, word per word: it was cold.


Yeah I loved that reference (not at the time though). Clearly it's a story for ME3 since video games are all about the chase. You don't go back to the Normandy in ME3 and just sit there watching the 6 o clock news together, there has to be a conflict or an exploration.


And her mom was indoctrinated. Liari's doing this on her own.

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It doesn't even extend to the LIs exlusively. My DudeShep killed off Ashely in ME1, so I had Kaiden. When I ran into Kaiden he's all pissed off at me. I was like, "Dude I've only been awake for like a week!"

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Keep in mind that Liari tells Shepard up front that Asari are "philosophical" about relationships, though, in ME1.

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Man785 wrote...

It doesn't even extend to the LIs exlusively. My DudeShep killed off Ashely in ME1, so I had Kaiden. When I ran into Kaiden he's all pissed off at me. I was like, "Dude I've only been awake for like a week!"


Yeah I was hoping that there was going to be an option to tell ashley that the afterlife has poor reception.

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Man785 wrote...

It doesn't even extend to the LIs exlusively. My DudeShep killed off Ashely in ME1, so I had Kaiden. When I ran into Kaiden he's all pissed off at me. I was like, "Dude I've only been awake for like a week!"


Yeah. I saved him and he lectured me. I didn't blame him much, though. I don't like working with Cerebus. I remember Acuze, and Toombs.

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Thompson family wrote...

Keep in mind that Liari tells Shepard up front that Asari are "philosophical" about relationships, though, in ME1.


I will be philosophical when I biotic slam her in ME 3 then.

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Man785 wrote...

It doesn't even extend to the LIs exlusively. My DudeShep killed off Ashely in ME1, so I had Kaiden. When I ran into Kaiden he's all pissed off at me. I was like, "Dude I've only been awake for like a week!"


Yeah.  My femShep had saved Ashley and when she went off I was thinking, "back off woman.  I was dead for two years.  Think 'big picture.'"  Seemed a bit...OOC or just poorly handled.  I mean, I get it...BW wants us to move on...but at least have it make some semblance of sense and logic.  *shrug* Ah, well.  Guess there's still ME3...

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I'm hoping there isn't any reprecussions from moving on from your Mass Effect 1 love interest other then possible hurt feelings on your former paramours side.

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I feel like this. Ash knew my Shep better than anyone else, she knew my stanch in the galaxy (Paragon) yet she cant see why Im working for Cerberus. Sure, she sends a email and apologize but their is not much emotion in it. My hope was that she could trust Shep just as Anderson, Garrus, Joker and Tali did.

Modifié par Bebbe777, 28 janvier 2010 - 07:19 .