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[Eshaye]

catgirl789 wrote...

Thank you! I felt the same way about the dialogue choices. I too asked everyone I could about where Kaiden was and when I finally found him I just wanted to say something  along the lines of "I finally found you! T^T" Instead I get "How ya been doin since I died?" -.- Come on BW could've given people who had ME1 LIs get special lines for that one scene. Oh well, they'll repay us for our faithfulness in ME3 at least.

Especially when you compare with Shepard's reaction to finding Garrus: "Garrus!!" with wide open arms, I expected something along those lines with Kaidan, instead we have something that seems cold, maybe awkward, and I did like the middle option where Shep remarks Kaidan seems angry, but he only gets angry after you really point it out. :/

But having talked to my crew after this I have to say I have a better perspective, my Shep told Kelly how she really felt about Alenko and I loved Joker's response lol. So my interpertration that Shepard is just a lost cause at expressing her true feelings when it comes to love still holds water.. lol 

Modifié par Eshaye, 31 janvier 2010 - 06:54 .

[Naughty Bear]

screwoffreg wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Keep in mind that Liari tells Shepard up front that Asari are "philosophical" about relationships, though, in ME1.

I will be philosophical when I biotic slam her in ME 3 then.

I am looking forward to killing her. Ever since i saw Aria, i want her/it/him in my crew. Aria is a badass and she is kind of pretty.

[KealaFerret]

I got through the meeting Kaidan on Horizon scene last night, and got the letter.



Here's the thing - the fight before that with the Collectors was so freaking intense (I don't know if it's because that big thing kept coming at me, or because my husband was behind me yelling swear words at ME1 because he kept getting ambushed and dying). By the time I saw Kaidan, I was still pretty wired from that fight. Seeing him and hugging him immediately chilled me out, and then he got pissed. And really, I can't say I could blame him. From his point of view, I'd been dead and working for the enemy. From mine, she didn't really see him THAT long ago, since she was dead the entire time those two years are "gone" for her. Of course they're going to have different outlooks on things. He hasn't seen what she's seen, he doesn't know how bad things are getting and that sometimes a person has to do what they don't want to get the right outcome. He has no proof that Cerberus isn't exactly what he has always known it to be, and he doesn't know what's happened the last two years. For all he knows, Shepard really *is* different than the person he loved.



The only disappointment I had is that he didn't say anything to Garrus. He could have said "hi, Garrus". Or something.



I'm going to wait and see what happens in ME3. The letter he sent later seemed to imply that maybe he'd wait to see what happened before he really passed judgment. The poor guy was taken offguard, put himself back together after losing someone he cared about, then was faced with that person working for the enemy. I actually thought that it was well done.

[Eshaye]

KealaFerret wrote...

The only disappointment I had is that he didn't say anything to Garrus. He could have said "hi, Garrus". Or something.

I'm going to wait and see what happens in ME3. The letter he sent later seemed to imply that maybe he'd wait to see what happened before he really passed judgment. The poor guy was taken offguard, put himself back together after losing someone he cared about, then was faced with that person working for the enemy. I actually thought that it was well done.

Yeh the more I think about it, the more I think my paragon Shep is going to wait for Alenko to come around. There better be some more nookie in ME3!

I did like that Kaidan awknowledged Garrus, when he talks about how Cerberus isn't trustworthy and says something like:
"And even Garrus is with Cerberus.. "

[Driveninhifi]

ilikeicehockey wrote...



So its normal for companies to already have the DLC in place and then just release the activation program to you? so wouldn't it be possible for us to crack the since we do own the game and what's installed on our computer is ours?

No. The data's not there, it's just a hook. It makes sense - if they have ideas of where they want to add content, they build it into the game.



As for Liara, I can't see her turning against Shepard, even if he does cheat on her. She expects Shepard to hate her, after all. She'd be angry and hurt - but I think she knows she's reaping what she's sown. She's too important for the greater storyline and I would assume she'd be able to see that the reapers are the real threat and not let her feelings get in the way. I could see her killing herself in grief, or sacrificing herself for Shepard (even if he/she leaves him). I feel like she would stay loyal, even in the end. It makes her a hell of tragic character but I think it fits.

[Paragonsheperd]

Da Mecca wrote...

Indeed.


Liara's case is just sad. She's changed so much she's not the same woman my Shep fell in love with anymore.

Consumed by anger, driven by hate. I walked away from her office truly stunned at what she's become. She said she wouldn't become her mother but she's so close it's not even funny.

This.   I was planning on remaining loyal (even though i loved Tali's character) on my main playthrough, but after I met her and saw what she had become I was stunned. I went with Tali at the end, and I hope the romance carries on in to ME3. I do love that character.

[Faerlyte]

yoshibb wrote...

Faerlyte wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Does anyone understand the hell these three have been through? Garrus, Tali, and Wrex moved on just fine for the most part, but Liara and Ash/Kaiden seem to have really suffered. I haven't read Ash's email but Kaiden's seemed to say that he had just recently move on. Two years later, and the only thing he's done is go out to get drinks with someone. Your death ripped a hole in him and he probably blamed himself for leaving you on that ship when you went to get Joker.

And Liara couldn't even let you go in death. She went to find your body to bring you back to life. She stopped the Collectors from taking your body and doing who knows what. But she also handed you over to Cerebus because she was so desperate. And I was only close friends with her. She did all that for a friend. How can you possibly be mad at her for being a bit cold after what's she's been through?

Again, they've been through hell, but they will come around eventually because they still love you. Was there initial anger, yes, but Shepard's been gone for two years. Like what was said above. I believe TIM purposely set up these meetings to go badly, so Shepard would turn to his side.

Sorry bud, it ain't happening.

That's all find and dandy, except I didn't romance anyone as FemShep, Kaiden died, and Ashley was still acting like a douche - it wasn't because she loved me and was heartbroken over my death. I get a strong feeling like I'm being shoehorned into the ME1 love interests bandwagon, like that's what I'm supposed to do or what is considered the canon route, so my choosing not to romance anyone from ME1 alters the intended design of the scene. I get a bunch of whining while the rest of my team are behind me. 

I think it's pretty weak. 

I'm not really sure I understand why you are upset then. It seems like you weren't that close to Ash in the first place and yet you expect her to trust you and follow you along on the mission. If they are a love interest they are more conflicted because they are closer to your character. If your character is just friends then they probably doubt your character even more. 

It's not like it's hurting your experience or anything. You see Ashley for a minute, tell her to **** off if you want to, and that's it. You won't experience anything dealing with cheating in Mass Effect 3, but you didn't really want to deal with those characters, did you? This little scene is basically for the people who had a love interest in the first game. And if you didn't, then romance whoever you want in ME 2 with a guilt free conscience. 

Well first off, let me set the record straight that I didn't tell her to **** off - just because I don't like her character doesn't mean I'm going to treat her badly. I'm not that sort of person. The scene, as you say, was made towards the romantic interest, which is why it comes off really awkward for someone who didn't romance anybody. 

My issue is the design of the scene in general, which I tried to explain in my post. There is a design behind it that is intended for the romantic angle - for someone who didn't choose it, I feel like I'm missing out on the "true" romance of the trilogy or something. I don't like it when the romantic option I choose carries less relevance than the original human characters from ME1 because they were designed as"canon romantic leads". 

All I'm saying is that the scene makes it feel contrived, like I'm supposed to have romanced Ashley/Kaiden, and the fact that I haven't alters the intended design that Bioware had. I chose Garrus as my romantic option because that's who I wanted int he first game, but I don't believe for a moment that Bioware ever intended for Garrus to be the "Romantic lead" in the way that Kaiden/Ashley are. 

The fact is, I have to deal with those characters whether I want to or not because I believe they are returning in full force for ME3 - they were kept alive for a reason, whereas the return of my romantic interest from ME2 in full force is very iffy. 

[magicalpoop]

Yeah I beat the game with Liara's M1 LI intact.



I got bored and theres nothing left to do in my game, so I went to go mack on everyone with my male shepard.

Well Samara...we almost did it..then she blew me off.

Jack didn't want it to get "complicated"

Miranda has work to do.

Tali just needs to clean the engine



And kelly, like WTF. I had the dinner date and constant flirting - but NO DANCE/EMAIL from her?



So my lonely shepard goes to his male budds for some help, maybe a drink too. Too bad they all blew me off too. It's times like this when I now realize why many games don't let you play after you beat the game...it feels like bioware never intended you to really do much after you beat the main mission or even attempt to court any crew.

[Driveninhifi]

Well, you can make the argument that Liara falls in love with Shepard whether or not you choose her in ME1. She practically falls all over herself in the first game for Shepard. I don't really think the scene is contrived - I think it makes it MORE interesting if Liara did all this for Shepard and Shepard doesn't love her. I'm a sucker for the unrequited love story and it really shows her loyalty and adds a depth to her character. I find it more false that Shepard can't tell Liara he/she loves her at the end of the conversation, actually.



At least the Miranda love story in ME2 is pretty well done (I haven't done the others myself), so it would be a shame to not include them.

[TheKnave69]

magicalpoop wrote...


And kelly, like WTF. I had the dinner date and constant flirting - but NO DANCE/EMAIL from her?

So my lonely shepard goes to his male budds for some help, maybe a drink too. Too bad they all blew me off too. It's times like this when I now realize why many games don't let you play after you beat the game...it feels like bioware never intended you to really do much after you beat the main mission or even attempt to court any crew.

After you play the main mission, Kelly sends an email to you and you can have her up... but you have to continue playing.  I'm just saying.

[magicalpoop]

TheKnave69 wrote...

magicalpoop wrote...


And kelly, like WTF. I had the dinner date and constant flirting - but NO DANCE/EMAIL from her?

So my lonely shepard goes to his male budds for some help, maybe a drink too. Too bad they all blew me off too. It's times like this when I now realize why many games don't let you play after you beat the game...it feels like bioware never intended you to really do much after you beat the main mission or even attempt to court any crew.

After you play the main mission, Kelly sends an email to you and you can have her up... but you have to continue playing.  I'm just saying.

I never got that email ...damn my shepard is one lonely bastard...even Samara blew me off.
I think I never had that dinner date with kelly...argh they need to patch this.

Modifié par magicalpoop, 01 février 2010 - 05:20 .

[Jedi_blues]

I started ME 2 fully intending to be loyal to Ash.



I understand how confused she must have felt, but not even giving Shep a chance to explain, especially when Sheppard had done all he could to find her up to that point and was still dealing with the rock and the hard place that cerebrus had put him in, that pissed me off.



The letter mollified me somewhat, but I was still pissed. After everything they had been through, she should have given him the chance to explain. Hell even the bloody council gave him that. The COUNCIL!



Then along came Tali. Faithful, loyal, Tali, who had probably even more reason to dislike Cerebrus, yet she was still loyal to Shepard. Resisting Miranda was one thing, but Tali's loyalty made it impossible.

[Shoko86]

I shed a tear when Alenko walked away.. and they show his ass.. and I had to see that nice ass walked away from me. Soo saaaad. Damn you Bioware. lol



Thane was really tempting. Something about him is just sooo damn sexy... and he carries himself so well.... but I couldn't do it. I didn't want Thane to be the back up. I stayed true to Alenko... so I hope Bioware will deliver in ME3.. or I would be really sad. ;<

[Queenie4000]

Shoko86 wrote...

I shed a tear when Alenko walked away.. and they show his ass.. and I had to see that nice ass walked away from me. Soo saaaad. Damn you Bioware. lol

Thane was really tempting. Something about him is just sooo damn sexy... and he carries himself so well.... but I couldn't do it. I didn't want Thane to be the back up. I stayed true to Alenko... so I hope Bioware will deliver in ME3.. or I would be really sad. ;

I agree - just finished that part myself.  I was really frustrated when it all ended and he walked away without really listening to me.  I'm full paragon dang it!   Believe me - I don't like Cerebus either but a girls gotta do what a girls gotta do!

Crossing fingers that Kaiden comes back to my waiting arms in ME3.

[implodinggoat]

It would be pretty damn cheap if Bioware forced your hand into abandoning your ME1 love interest; but in fairness the way they handled Ashley and Kaiden was definitely powerful. I'm a Liara man myself; but I definitely had a strong reaction to the confrontation with Ashley. In my case her lack of faith in Shepard really pissed me off to the extent that afterward I couldn't help but think "you're dead to me ****"; but if she had been my love interest I can see how it would have been really tragic and saddening. At the very least its definitive enough that it gives you some closure.

Liara on the other hand felt like a wasted opportunity, mainly due to the fact that she doesn't have any additional dialogue if she was your lover. If you find the obscure dialogue choice (investigate and choose "Liara's anger" first, if you choose the top investigate option it precludes you from choosing the bottom one for some bizarre reason) you at least get some dialogue which lets you know that she still cares about you; but it still feels odd that she never gives you a reason why she wouldn't want to at least spend a night with her lover. If you miss that dialogue as I did the first time I played through, Liara's appearance is particularly brutal since it feels like she doesn't even care about Shepard at all anymore. I mean at least Ashley or Kaiden actually feel something when they confront you; but Liara almost seems like she doesn't feel anything and that is truly brutal.

PS: On a side note who the hell does Ashley (or Kaiden) think she is criticizing me when the only reason I had to save the colony in the first place was because she didn't do her damned job and get those damn guns up and running? Hell, as it is she's responsible for half the damned colony getting abducted and if I hadn't showed up she would have been abducted along side the entire colony. You'd think saving the galaxy would get you a little street cred with her; but apparently not. Even if she had been my lover, I don't think I could forgive that ****. As I said that **** is dead to me, I just hope I get a chance to tell her to go **** herself in ME3.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 01 février 2010 - 07:23 .

[Drak41n]

Liara recovers your body and saves your body from being used by the collectors and instead hands it over to Cerebus because she knows they'll ressurrect you and she can't let you go.

That's pretty dedicated. I didn't find that out until after my first play through. Suffice it to say, I'm staying loyal this time - though it's hard. Miranda is fascinating.

Modifié par Drak41n, 01 février 2010 - 07:26 .

[sagefic]

Man785 wrote...

It doesn't even extend to the LIs exlusively. My DudeShep killed off Ashely in ME1, so I had Kaiden. When I ran into Kaiden he's all pissed off at me. I was like, "Dude I've only been awake for like a week!"

i imported a shep that had only been friends with kaiden, and it WAS really weird. i think the LI run-in on horizons makes MUCH more sense. if they're just friends, it seems like a) they're being insubordinate by questioning your judgment they were way more broken up about loosing you than seems normal considering i'd NEVER talked to kaiden with that character and c) since i had garrus with me, they were being a pretty lousy friend by not joining me.

when i imported a shep that had romanced kaiden, the few extra/different lines made the whole thing ring true. K is insubordinate because the two of you had stopped taking rank into consideration, it really did mess with his head, and garrus is a buddy, but your LI has more emotion about all this. made a ton more sense.

*edit* the email you get from a LI re: horizons was also pretty powerful - and hella well-written. i read it once and thought - wow, K is NOT over shepard. then i read it again and thought....er...well, maybe he is. it's very neutral, but clearly shows that there are a lot of emotional scars in the ME1 love interest. i guess the question is, do you think that person is worth waiting to win back, or do you think there's a better interest in ME2 to move on to?

I, too, think the LI thread from ME1, and for that matter, the Tali LI (since it originated in ME1) are super well done. The non-sex scene before you hit the collector base if you remain true to your LI from ME1 was especially touching. I look forward to seeing what happens in ME3 and I am SO hoping that it ends happy - as in, you're both alive, still together, and there are no demon babies involved (I'm still scarred from DAO)

Modifié par sagequeen, 16 mars 2010 - 08:38 .

[wako58]

Drak41n wrote...

Liara recovers your body and saves your body from being used by the collectors and instead hands it over to Cerebus because she knows they'll ressurrect you and she can't let you go.

That's pretty dedicated. I didn't find that out until after my first play through. Suffice it to say, I'm staying loyal this time - though it's hard. Miranda is fascinating.

Liara does that whether you romanced her in ME1 or not.  In fact, if you import a ME1 save where you romanced no one...she even gives you a hug.  More than my shep got after he romanced her in ME1.  There are no dialogue differences in her conversation whether you romanced her or not.

[Tooneyman]

Best part about it all. Did you cheat!

[Crackseed]

To get the best of both worlds, I have several playthroughs where I've picked a new LI in ME2 [Tali - who can resist?!] and a couple where I maintain my relationship with Liara. I'm very interested in seeing what Bioware does in ME3. But I have to admit I really appreciate the amount of work they put into Liara for ME2, despite her being mostly a cameo till LotSB. It made her character and decisions have so much more weight that once I got the full scope of it, on the playthroughs that I selected Tali [despite having good intentions and in-game reasonings] I still feel a bit bad haha.

Makes Liara even more respectable that if you're courting a new LI when you bring her up to talk after LotSB there's no malice in her voice when she asks about your new relationship - just wanting to know how far you'll go to fulfill promises to them. It gave me warm tingly feelings thinking back to BG2 days and the romances with Jaheira/Viconia. Ahh Bioware you tricksy bastards

Edit: Cough, I realize I just posted in an old thread - whoops  Sorry >.>

Modifié par crackseed, 15 février 2011 - 11:45 .