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[ToshiStation38]

Rathias0114 wrote...

Anyone else notice that you can call your LI up to your cabin and sit with them or lay in bed with them?

Know it works for Miranda - not sure about everyone else.

Hmm. Hadn't noticed yet.

OMG! I did not know Shepard had a personal bathroom!

[mysticforce42]

Actually, I think Liara's character development is extremely compelling.



If the roles were reversed and it was Liara who died and Shepard spent weeks finding her corpse to give her the peace of a burial, but was approached by Cerberus who offers the possibility of a complete resurrection, Shepard would have jumped on it too.



However, there is always a price. Resurrection isn't cheap, so while Cerberus does not expect Shepard to pay the full amount, they do expect some sort of financial support. So, Shepard starts to take mercenary jobs to meet these obligations, with the only thing that keeps him going being the possibility of seeing Liara alive again.



As the days turned to months and years, hope slowly begin to fade and Shepard became lost in the world of doing anything for credits. He also meets new comrades who fight and bleed with him on his unending quest to gather as many credits as possible. While hope dimmed over time, Shepard still stubbornly refuses to let Liara go and continues to send credits to Cerberus.



All of this changed a short time ago when one of Shepard's closest new associates was betrayed and died a horrible death. Shepard began a quest for veangence and half way through that the most extraordinary thing happened - Liara just walked into his office one day...



I for one can't even begin the list all of the emotions that would be going through Shepard's head at this point, and it'd be unrealistically optimistic to expect all of them would be resolved very quickly. This is an excellent build up for ME3 and I can't wait to see how they resolve it~

[screwoffreg]

ranzarok wrote...

I think all of those players who "betrayed" their ME1 LI are going to be soooooorrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyy come ME3.



This story and game is a trilogy. ME has always been about your actions and reactions and the consequences associated with them. I would not be surprised at all to find out that if you stick to your original LI it will pay dividends for your Shep in the end.

I imagine there will be much more drama, but I also think Bioware will give you the option of "patching things up" with your old flame, even if you did romance someone in ME 2.  I can't see how all the ME 2 characters will return as player characters, so I imagine some of the romanceable ones will be NPCs, meaning you can refocus on Liara/Ashley/Kaiden if you'd like.  Whether you "cheat" or not, it will be interesting to see how it turns out and if you can salvage your original love.

Also, in regards to regret...that's why we have multiple saved endings for the same character!!!

In seriousness, I imagine the ME 2 romances will also have good endings and development if you choose to stay with those.  Will there be a wedding scene on the Quarian fleet perhaps?  We will see...

Modifié par screwoffreg, 28 janvier 2010 - 10:59 .

[Nephyrose]

Good to see I am not alone in this-

ME1 I had a FemShep romance with Liara-but when I saw her in ME2 it was an awkward greeting. Like an attempt to feel something after 2 years but not really feeling it. She has not sent me letters or referred to me as anything more than a friend. Plus I don't know who she is anymore, she has changed so much and won't tell me why. What kind of relationship is that?

ME2- could Kelly be more easy? K, she's cute, but come on. It's flirting from word one-and all I got out of it is dinner and some dead fish. Thanks for feeding them for me Kelly.

I'm torn on who I plan to pursue-Thane, Garrus or Jacob. My hope for ME3 is a resolution to the triangle maybe?

On edit- after reading more of this thread I may stick with Liara after all. That was my plan but I felt like the game was pushing me off of that path....need to go back to Illium.

Modifié par Nephyrose, 29 janvier 2010 - 12:26 .

[ratzerman]

Shavon wrote...

This may seem petty to some people, but, tbh, what drew me to Bioware games was the whole romance, amazing adventure saving the world with your love at your side thing. I've always had happy endings, unless playing an evil character, but that's just to see other aspects of the game. Anyway, if Me3 moves even further from this, well, I'll be one of many extremely pissed off fans.

That doesn't sound petty to me at all, Shavon.  I play Bioware games for the same reason.  I want a happy ending to the Shepard and Liara love story so bad, it hurts.  Real life is sad enough.  If there's any place where "happily ever after" is possible, it's inside a video game.

[epoch_]

Badpie wrote...

Indeed. While the ME2 characters are all very compelling and so are their romances, I still think the ME1 love story is far more interesting and wrought with drama and conflict that makes you feel angry, hurt, vindictive sad and hopeful all at the same time. It's a very mature direction Bioware has gone with this I think.

....all my respect for Bioware in this area will fly out the window though if ME3 comes around and the conclusion to this love story isnt' epic.

hear hear

[Badpie]

Bump requested. Happy to oblige.

[aeetos21]

I knew they were going to give you the "i dump you" option but damn they really drove the nail into the coffin with it. I just answered Ashley like how I would answer any girlfriend in that situation. End result? Breakup.



Am I the only one who finds it amusing that though cerberus is pro human and anti alien neither ashley or kaidan from me1 will join you but half of the aliens from the old squad will?

[Badpie]

I wish we could get some dev responses regarding this.



Did they expect/know exactly the kind of reaction people were going to have to these decisions they made? Some people hate it. Some are angry. Some people think it's smart and good writing. Some people are adamant about remaining "faithful" to Ash/Kaidan/Liara while others are ready to ****** it away for someone new.



I wonder if Bioware predicted how big this response would be. I know for most of the people I talk to on a regular basis on these forums, this was an important aspect of the game, but it seems that it's turning out to be one of the major points of discussion all around.



So any comment on this devs? You guys have been surprisingly absent the last couple of days.



Maybe they're taking a few well earned days off.

[mopotter]

Isaantia wrote...

I have to say I was impressed. I loved that Kaiden questioned my femshep. I like that he's confused and angry. I mean talk about tearing open an old wound. Can you imagine the guilt he must have felt with him surviving and her dying? He must have been livid at Joker. I get why he's weirded out by her working with cerberus ... with cerberus re-animating her. I mean think about it, its creepy. Really creepy.

I thought the photo in the captains cabin was a nice touch as was the follow up email. I had every intention of femShep romancing Thane (who is marv in like every way) but once she saw that Kaiden's picture had been turned face down.. she marched down there and broke it off with Thane. I was really touched by the way she regarded the picture before heading through the relay.

So yeah... it was really well done and I'm glad Kaiden stood his ground. FemShep needs someone who is a leader in his own right, someone who doesn't feel like he's going to wither in her huge shadow. Oh... and someone who doesn't have a kid . StepmomShep FTL.

I agree.  I was a little upset when I asked about him and was told he was on an assignment and Anderson said he couldn't tell me anything else.   For my Shep,  Kaiden was with her yesterday or recently, for Kaiden it's been 2 years and working for ceberus.    That has to be a lot to take in.  This fem Shep is staying true to Kaiden.  I also liked seeing the photo on the desk.  

[N7R C7]

pacer90 wrote...

Remember emotionally engaging? Well being pissed off is an emotion too. You basically get shot down by Liara/Kaiden/Ashley pretty hard while you are shown all these other women/men/Thane during your trip.

You're mad at you're ex, and there's a pile of opporunities sitting around you. I thought this was one of the most clever things they've ever done.

very true, I bet bioware is setting us up so if we had two different partners from ME1 and ME2, then in ME3 there will be a brawl lol

[Thompson family]

I replayed Liara after reading the advice in this thread. Made all the difference in the world.

[Bann Duncan]

I'm wondering if we can romance ME love interests in ME3 who we didn't romance before. For example, my main Shepard romanced Ashley in ME (choosing her in the confrontation scene with Liara) but after seeing both of them in ME2, I'd honestly want to change that choice to Liara. She seems to have a lot more trust in and care for him than Ashley despite the email (and presumably Kaiden for FemSheps) in the same position.



I just wish I could have talked to her about the Prothean/Collectors thing after that segment of the game; I flew to Illium hoping for that option but I didn't get it.

[shaunarz]

Badpie wrote...

Indeed. While the ME2 characters are all very compelling and so are their romances, I still think the ME1 love story is far more interesting and wrought with drama and conflict that makes you feel angry, hurt, vindictive sad and hopeful all at the same time. It's a very mature direction Bioware has gone with this I think.

....all my respect for Bioware in this area will fly out the window though if ME3 comes around and the conclusion to this love story isnt' epic.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Don't get me wrong, I love shooting things as much as the next GUY, but, im still such a girl at heart, I love me some drama... (as long as it ends with kaiden + shep)

[jlb524]

Thompson family wrote...

I replayed Liara after reading the advice in this thread. Made all the difference in the world.

I agree.  One little dialog where we get to see the real Liara crack through really made it for me!

And I totally missed it the first time through b/c that dialog wheel is bugged for that specific convo tree.

Modifié par jlb524, 29 janvier 2010 - 04:21 .

[Dimiye]

Da Mecca wrote...

Indeed.


Liara's case is just sad. She's changed so much she's not the same woman my Shep fell in love with anymore.

Consumed by anger, driven by hate. I walked away from her office truly stunned at what she's become. She said she wouldn't become her mother but she's so close it's not even funny.

Well you have to wait and see what she goes through in the mass effect comment, when she goes looking for your remains I've got issue one and waiting to see what happens next to explain her change. But it would take more than this to make me not like her.

[TheKnave69]

Badpie wrote...

Isaantia wrote...


So yeah... it was really well done and I'm glad Kaiden stood his ground. FemShep needs someone who is a leader in his own right, someone who doesn't feel like he's going to wither in her huge shadow. 

I liked this too.  Ash and Kaidan are both people who stand by their convictions, even if that means they're in conflict with something else that means a lot to them.  It would have been pretty weak writing, not to mention a bit of character assassination for either of them to just drop everything in their lives and just follow Shepard blindly only because of their love for him/her.

It's another example of the kinds of things that get sacrificed for the greater good.  In this case, it was the relationship between them that suffered.  

I think it could also have something to do with Shepard being the leader, and when their leader/lover is killed, they have to carry on and shoulder a greater burden. 

So when Shepard returns and doesn't contact them, they feel abandoned as well.  People here are talking about how easily they abandoned Shepard and how angry they are at Shepard, think about how you would react to the following:

1) The person you loved is killed
2) They return and don't even try to find you -- yes, you can ask Anderson about them, but they're on a classified mission and don't know your interest, or attempt.
3) The person you loved is working for an organization that both of you know is unethical and probably criminal.

Wouldn't you be a bit resentful, confused and question whether you know the person, despite the justifications and protestations that are made?  Also imagine going through the grieving process and the person you're grieving for shows up, opening old wounds.  Wouldn't you backstep in the process and go back to denial and anger?

BW is pretty crafty about character.  Always have been.

[TheKnave69]

Corti78 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

When it comes to Liara, I really don't understand where the "she's not loyal" and "she didn't stand by you" comments are coming from. For all the times Bioware beat us over the head with the "THEY MOVED ON!" stick, it's obvious that Liara hasn't moved on. If it wasn't for her inability to "let you go," Shepard would be hanging on a wall in a Collector ship, instead of running around saving the galaxy.

Yeah, but that part of the backstory isn't in the game, but in the comic book or on the Wiki.

Actually it is. If you ask her about her anger toward shadow broker she tells you everything. How she had to take your body back from the shadow broker before he handed it over to the collectors.

It troubled and hurt her a lot to have to hand Shepard over to Cerberus given their reputation. But Cerberus told her they could rebuild Shepard and in her own words she said she "Couldn't let Shepard go." She was reluctant to reveal this info because she thinks Shepard would hate her for her decision, which is why she seemed so distant when meeting.

She's not hunting the shadow broker just for her friend, but also for what he was going to do to Shepard which she says.

Damn that dialog tree.  Here I was pursuing a romance, after having Liara as a romance in ME, and BANG.  This dialog stopped that cold.  Anyone who would do that deserves loyalty in return.

[Thompson family]

Bann Duncan wrote...

I'm wondering if we can romance ME love interests in ME3 who we didn't romance before. For example, my main Shepard romanced Ashley in ME (choosing her in the confrontation scene with Liara) but after seeing both of them in ME2, I'd honestly want to change that choice to Liara. She seems to have a lot more trust in and care for him than Ashley despite the email (and presumably Kaiden for FemSheps) in the same position.

I just wish I could have talked to her about the Prothean/Collectors thing after that segment of the game; I flew to Illium hoping for that option but I didn't get it.

Let me get this straight:

Liara amassed massive debt tracking your body down at great risk to life and limb, making deals with the devils (Shadow Broker and Cerberus) along the way to give you a longshot chance at life — whether you were her lover in ME1 or not?!?! She does this even while fearing you'd hate her for it if you wake up and find you were in the clutches of Cerberus, which (in my character's case) wiped out your whole unit at Akuze?

While Ashley — after you chose to let her live on Virmere and even if you were her lover — gives you a bawling out for not calling while you were dead and lectures you about working with Cerberus?

Man, I guess we know who’s love is true in this story. Let’s hope ME3 gives those poor unfortunate souls who fell for Ashley a shot to go with the girl who really loves Shepard.

Modifié par Thompson family, 29 janvier 2010 - 05:06 .

[Emperor Mars]

Man all this Liara hate..

You gotta understand her posistion.

She says that she wants to go with you, but she cant do her work from the normandy. She found your body and delivered to cerberus so you could pull a jesus, in the process her friend gets killed and she has to turn your body over to an organization which shepard fought against, and is responsible for quite a few horrific things. So of course she is gonna be angry, she delivered your corpse which she took back from the SB and collectors, during which her friend dies, keeping in mind, that beside shepard who is dead, this is really the only other friend she seems to have. She is powerful and pissed off, hopefully it will be resolved in a dlc or by ME3. I think a dlc involving the ME1 LI's would be a great addition and I would happily pay for additional quests involving them.

Regarding the whole "shes turning into her mother thing" is she really? as far as I could tell her anger and hate is all directed towards the shadow broker. Hell even before indoctrination we where told that her mother was a wise and highly respected matriarch. (Im pretty sure that this is all because of the commando phrase, which is pretty much just used for intimdation in liaras case and actually enforced in her mothers).

My shep left using the "dont turn into what you are hunting" phrase and left, and this shep (my primary shep) will endure and hope bioware doesnt screw us that kept the ME1 LI over.

Honeslty I was a little pissed about how BW handled the old LI's (other characters like wrex and garrus where handled perfectly imo) but they said it was an overarching story, lasting the triology....well...dont screw us over bioware or you are gonna have a lot of angry loyal nerds on your hands.



Edit----the humans go die in a fire, I was super pissed when ash came up and was like "waaaah cerberus" should have virmired both of the humans...****...

edit 2-I am glad that this opinion (sticking with old LI's) is fairly widespread, or atleast not as rare as I thought.

Modifié par Emperor Mars, 29 janvier 2010 - 05:12 .

[Redem0]

I finally went to Horizon and I was amaze that the reunion get such a backlash (I might not have gotten a welcome kiss, but at least a hug, considering I was wearing the collector armor it might be for the best)



the only real problem I had with it is that Shepard can only defend his affiliation with Cerebus instead of stressing out the fact he is unhappy with it

[Badpie]

Thompson family wrote...

Bann Duncan wrote...

I'm wondering if we can romance ME love interests in ME3 who we didn't romance before. For example, my main Shepard romanced Ashley in ME (choosing her in the confrontation scene with Liara) but after seeing both of them in ME2, I'd honestly want to change that choice to Liara. She seems to have a lot more trust in and care for him than Ashley despite the email (and presumably Kaiden for FemSheps) in the same position.

I just wish I could have talked to her about the Prothean/Collectors thing after that segment of the game; I flew to Illium hoping for that option but I didn't get it.

Let me get this straight:

Liara amassed massive debt tracking your body down at great risk to life and limb, making deals with the devils (Shadow Broker and Cerberus) along the way to give you a longshot chance at life — whether you were her lover in ME1 or not?!?!

While Ashley — after you chose to let her live on Virmere and even if you were her lover — gives you a bawling out for not calling while you were dead and lectures you about working with Cerberus?

Man, I guess we know who’s love is true in this story. Let’s hope ME3 gives those poor unfortunate souls who fell for Ashley a shot to go with the girl who really loves Shepard.

Ashley knows nothing of what Liara did for Shepard.  Ash is in the dark, completely ignorant of everything.  She is confused, hurt, suspicious.  When she heard that Shepard might be alive, and that he hadn't contacted her she probably just assumed that he'd been alive that whole time and hadn't contacted her.  Her hurt over this was justified.  As was her suspicion.  If Shepard was alive this whole time and didn't contact HER of all people, then maybe he ISN'T the Shepard she used to know.  And even when he tried to explain there were already so many things running through her it didn't make a difference.  Ash got hit with a wall of "WTF" in that moment.  And she handled it in the exact way that Ashley would.  She let her emotions get the better of her, which she immediately regretted after.  I've no doubt that she still loves him very much even after her attempts to move on.

Modifié par Badpie, 29 janvier 2010 - 05:17 .