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[AtreiyaN7]

Da Mecca wrote...

Indeed.


Liara's case is just sad. She's changed so much she's not the same woman my Shep fell in love with anymore.

Consumed by anger, driven by hate. I walked away from her office truly stunned at what she's become. She said she wouldn't become her mother but she's so close it's not even funny.

Read the other thread about the dialogue option most people missed. It shows that Liara cares a lot about Shepard (albeit it is available to all Sheps, regardless of whether or not you romance her). She's turned hard for a good reason - read it or go look up the vid and find out. Liara is NOT Benezia, but she's definitely toughened up.

[Stonetwister]

In a way I think they set up the romances to give you a chance to move on to a new romance and still have closure. I kept expecting Ashley to be at the Citadel at some point when I went back there, but she wasn't and I couldn't figure out why. I only romanced her in ME1 because I discovered Tali wasn't an option, so I was pretty quick to move on when she gave me the old boot in the pants.

[MICHELLE7]

Sbri wrote...

Here's my biggest problem with what happened. They were right to be pissed that there was no contact once you came back to life. Playing as a Spacer, it also sucked that I got a message from my Mom saying, "Your alive and you don't call?!?!?" The one thing I would have liked would to have been able to send some sort of, "I'm alive, can't give details, but 'm missing you."
And it seems to me that the Shadow Broker made sure you would meet Kaiden or Ash under the worst possible circumstances. He all but admitted that he let that fact that you were working with Cerberus slip to them, so that you could go on with nothing holding you back. I darn near quit right there.

I would have liked to have an option to send return emails myself. It might have made it easier on some people if they had the option to send an email of 'I still love you' or 'This is over'. Would have made it even more fun if you had the option of sending  emails depending on your choice and then recieved one in return following a predetermined script. Would have allowed us to build the relationship from a distance so to speak . The way they did it may have been developing character but in a game this size a little something more would have been nice because it's a long time between Horizon and the picture scene.

As for the Illusive Man...Yeah, He knew what would happen... if he  Kaidan/Ash wasn't  taken by the collectors...which I think is what he hoped for...then a lovers spat between the two would be the next best option. Kaidan/Ash are the strongest ties Shep has to the Alliance. Even for those that played as Malesheps and had him as their best friend he would have been a strong tie to the past. I think TIM was trying to get Shep to cut her ties with the Alliance as much as he was with Kaidan/Ash. He was trying to kill two birds with one stone.

I wouldn't be surprised if Miranda and Jacob were not chosen by TIM for the soul purpose of possibly developing a relationship with Shep. If ties with Kaidan/Ash could keep Shep tied to the Alliance then perhaps ties with Miranda/Jacob could cause Shep to become loyal to Cerberus. That's why I loved it at the end where I get to tell him to get out of my way...along with not giving him what he wants...and his beloved Miranda and Jacob...dead. I don't think I'll ever be able to play this game and save them all...I just can't stand those two.

[unclee]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Sbri wrote...

Here's my biggest problem with what happened. They were right to be pissed that there was no contact once you came back to life. Playing as a Spacer, it also sucked that I got a message from my Mom saying, "Your alive and you don't call?!?!?" The one thing I would have liked would to have been able to send some sort of, "I'm alive, can't give details, but 'm missing you."
And it seems to me that the Shadow Broker made sure you would meet Kaiden or Ash under the worst possible circumstances. He all but admitted that he let that fact that you were working with Cerberus slip to them, so that you could go on with nothing holding you back. I darn near quit right there.

I would have liked to have an option to send return emails myself. It might have made it easier on some people if they had the option to send an email of 'I still love you' or 'This is over'. Would have made it even more fun if you had the option of sending  emails depending on your choice and then recieved one in return following a predetermined script. Would have allowed us to build the relationship from a distance so to speak . The way they did it may have been developing character but in a game this size a little something more would have been nice because it's a long time between Horizon and the picture scene.

As for the Illusive Man...Yeah, He knew what would happen... if he  Kaidan/Ash wasn't  taken by the collectors...which I think is what he hoped for...then a lovers spat between the two would be the next best option. Kaidan/Ash are the strongest ties Shep has to the Alliance. Even for those that played as Malesheps and had him as their best friend he would have been a strong tie to the past. I think TIM was trying to get Shep to cut her ties with the Alliance as much as he was with Kaidan/Ash. He was trying to kill two birds with one stone.

I wouldn't be surprised if Miranda and Jacob were not chosen by TIM for the soul purpose of possibly developing a relationship with Shep. If ties with Kaidan/Ash could keep Shep tied to the Alliance then perhaps ties with Miranda/Jacob could cause Shep to become loyal to Cerberus. That's why I loved it at the end where I get to tell him to get out of my way...along with not giving him what he wants...and his beloved Miranda and Jacob...dead. I don't think I'll ever be able to play this game and save them all...I just can't stand those two.

Which obviously backfires on TIM. Both Miranda and Jacob become loyal to Shepard, not Cerberus. This is reinforced if you take Miranda with you at the end when TIM calls to tell you to save the base. She pretty much tells him to stick it. If you talk with Jacob once you're back on the Normandy, and having blown up the Collector base, he pretty much says that Cerberus will be after them now (meaning he's sticking with Shepard).

[Cypher0020]

I noticed that too. They wanted you to cheat. We know loyalists get the happy ending... but damn do they make it hard! Plus, putting your LI's photo in your room..... stupid tempters.



I'm struggling... to be faithful to Liara.... but everytime I see Jacob....Grrrrrr!

[CmdrFenix83]

Corti78 wrote...

Rathias0114 wrote...

Anyone else notice that you can call your LI up to your cabin and sit with them or lay in bed with them?

Know it works for Miranda - not sure about everyone else.

Works for the ME2 LIs and if you have no LI then Kelly comes up. If loyal to ME1 LI then there is no option.

I want to know *how*.  I romanced Tali on my first playthrough, and I've looked around the cabin and even tried talking to her, but didn't see this option anywhere.

[MICHELLE7]

unclee wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Sbri wrote...

Here's my biggest problem with what happened. They were right to be pissed that there was no contact once you came back to life. Playing as a Spacer, it also sucked that I got a message from my Mom saying, "Your alive and you don't call?!?!?" The one thing I would have liked would to have been able to send some sort of, "I'm alive, can't give details, but 'm missing you."
And it seems to me that the Shadow Broker made sure you would meet Kaiden or Ash under the worst possible circumstances. He all but admitted that he let that fact that you were working with Cerberus slip to them, so that you could go on with nothing holding you back. I darn near quit right there.

I would have liked to have an option to send return emails myself. It might have made it easier on some people if they had the option to send an email of 'I still love you' or 'This is over'. Would have made it even more fun if you had the option of sending  emails depending on your choice and then recieved one in return following a predetermined script. Would have allowed us to build the relationship from a distance so to speak . The way they did it may have been developing character but in a game this size a little something more would have been nice because it's a long time between Horizon and the picture scene.

As for the Illusive Man...Yeah, He knew what would happen... if he  Kaidan/Ash wasn't  taken by the collectors...which I think is what he hoped for...then a lovers spat between the two would be the next best option. Kaidan/Ash are the strongest ties Shep has to the Alliance. Even for those that played as Malesheps and had him as their best friend he would have been a strong tie to the past. I think TIM was trying to get Shep to cut her ties with the Alliance as much as he was with Kaidan/Ash. He was trying to kill two birds with one stone.

I wouldn't be surprised if Miranda and Jacob were not chosen by TIM for the soul purpose of possibly developing a relationship with Shep. If ties with Kaidan/Ash could keep Shep tied to the Alliance then perhaps ties with Miranda/Jacob could cause Shep to become loyal to Cerberus. That's why I loved it at the end where I get to tell him to get out of my way...along with not giving him what he wants...and his beloved Miranda and Jacob...dead. I don't think I'll ever be able to play this game and save them all...I just can't stand those two.

Which obviously backfires on TIM. Both Miranda and Jacob become loyal to Shepard, not Cerberus. This is reinforced if you take Miranda with you at the end when TIM calls to tell you to save the base. She pretty much tells him to stick it. If you talk with Jacob once you're back on the Normandy, and having blown up the Collector base, he pretty much says that Cerberus will be after them now (meaning he's sticking with Shepard).

They may only be loyal in the end if you win their loyalty...have you tried it without winning their loyalty if they survive. I killed them off in my game so I don't know about any end game conversation's. Is it possible for Shep to stay loyal to TIM at the end...I didn't even look at all the options...I was playing paragon but knew I was going to tell him off at the end so I just hit renegade without looking. It felt fantastic. 

I don't want Miranda and Jacob sticking with my Shep anyway.

[SweDragon]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Corti78 wrote...

Rathias0114 wrote...

Anyone else notice that you can call your LI up to your cabin and sit with them or lay in bed with them?

Know it works for Miranda - not sure about everyone else.

Works for the ME2 LIs and if you have no LI then Kelly comes up. If loyal to ME1 LI then there is no option.

I want to know *how*.  I romanced Tali on my first playthrough, and I've looked around the cabin and even tried talking to her, but didn't see this option anywhere.

I romanced Miranda, and with her I got an Intercom switch on Shep's desk. Though I can't say it was all that worthwhile. In fact the "interaction" was downright silly. Either you sit snuggled up on the couch, twiching, or pretty much the same in bed. No new dialogue or anything. Not even anything racy

[AtreiyaN7]

Cypher0020 wrote...

I noticed that too. They wanted you to cheat. We know loyalists get the happy ending... but damn do they make it hard! Plus, putting your LI's photo in your room..... stupid tempters.

I'm struggling... to be faithful to Liara.... but everytime I see Jacob....Grrrrrr!

Well, I was kind of planning on staying faithful to Kaidan, but then Horizon happened. Don't get me wrong, I understood Kaidan's reaction, and I actually LIKED the directions things went even though it did sting a bit. It seemed like a reasonable, realistic response on his part. Besides, the e-mail does explain hs feelings and leaves open the possibility that Shep & Kaidan could reunite eventually.

However, I proceeded to talk to Thane about his past, ultimately finding him, err, quite interesting. He was well-written, and I found him rather tragic and and romantic (which presumably was what the writers were going for). The scene with my femShep and Thane before the suicide mission was rather touching (if short). I just hope that seeing as Mordin is a brilliant scientist, he can save him now.

Oh well, I'm going to try to stay faithful Kaidan eventually, but Garrus was quite, ahem, tempting too but by the time his sparring dialogue came up, I was at the "siha" point with Thane. I even liked Jacob, but apparently I chose the wrong dialogue early in the game so we ended up being buds - oops - would have reloaded, but I was set on finishing the mission I was on so I skipped starting the conversation over again (doh).

[CmdrFenix83]

SweDragon wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

I want to know *how*.  I romanced Tali on my first playthrough, and I've looked around the cabin and even tried talking to her, but didn't see this option anywhere.

I romanced Miranda, and with her I got an Intercom switch on Shep's desk. Though I can't say it was all that worthwhile. In fact the "interaction" was downright silly. Either you sit snuggled up on the couch, twiching, or pretty much the same in bed. No new dialogue or anything. Not even anything racy

I don't even see that.  Though Tali says something to the effect of "I have a stuffy nose, a fever, and a rash... and it was all worth it." when you talk to her.  Only things on his desk are the terminal and the achievements.  8/

[SweDragon]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

I don't even see that.  Though Tali says something to the effect of "I have a stuffy nose, a fever, and a rash... and it was all worth it." when you talk to her.  Only things on his desk are the terminal and the achievements.  8/

Well, if they'd put in an effort comparable to that of Miranda, you are not missing anything. Trust me...

EDIT: I loved the character interactions with Miranda otherwise, so I'm not disappointed in the game or the romance arc, I just think that this "feature" was eminently skippable with its current execution.

Modifié par SweDragon, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:40 .

[Faerlyte]

 Clever or not, they're putting way too much stock in the ME1 LIs. Some people didn't romance any of them because they didn't like the choices they got, so the whole "testing your loyalty" thing is not applicable. Not to mention, regardless of whether or not I understand they're point of view, if I'd been in a relationship with someone, died, came back two years later and that was the reception I got...I'm sorry, but that's over in my books. I don't owe them anything, certainly not my faithfulness to a relationship that's quite clearly not there anymore. 

Even as we're supposed to understand their point of view, as a supposed significant other, that blade cuts both ways. They should be making an effort to understand Shepard's circumstances - not throwing a tantrum and running away. To me, that shows a complete lack of trust. 

Tali trusts Shepard and Shepard's judgement despite Cerberus, which to me is the trump card. She's making Kaiden and Ashley look bad, I don't care what anybody says. To be honest, this whole drama/angst thing is so overdone from the romantic angle that I could vomit. It's the most common thing in any love story and it really needs to go. All relationships have there little problems that need ironing out, but they're not all some catastrophic event either. One would hope that these people, supposedly being adults, would be more mature than that.  

But back to the fact that I didn't want to romance any of the ME1's LIs and would like for my ME2 LI to have as much relevance as the ME1's. I'm not cheating on anyone, so why should I get penalized? 

I've got more loyalty to the comrades that have been with me since the beginning, i.e. Tali and Garrus. They'll follow you through hell and back, no matter what, because they trust you. I can't help feeling more empathy towards them. They've got a bond that's unparalleled, having been through, not one, but two adventures together with the last being suicidal. That kind of loyalty is unmatched. 

Modifié par Faerlyte, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:42 .

[screwoffreg]

Tali and Garrus are the only ME 1 characters I really care about, and it looks like they stand with you until the very end as a romance option or as good friends. Even being dead 2 years, they never forgot! It seems the others took a turn for the bitter and my Shepherd, who is always on suicide and deadly missions, needs someone to be there NOW and in the future. Hell, Liara could have sent a freaking holo-message or a damn card. Ashley could have sent a book or something. Screw them! Quarian love forever!!!

I at least hope if BIoware does some post game ME 2 DLC, that the old romance options at least send you a message of some kind.  Otherwise, why do I care about being loyal to them?

Modifié par screwoffreg, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:56 .

[Missi Moonshine]

I actually liked Kaiden in the first game, so I was kinda sad when we had that little talk.

You see him and then you have this nice long hug, and a bit of recapping, then out of nowhere he (kindly) rips me a new one. I was just like, "Dude! I've been dead for two freaking years! Give me a break!" But then at the end of the conversation when I realized it wasn't going to work out, I just thought, "You know. I'm over you. If you say it won't work, then I'm fine with that."

However that was only because I was extremely excited to persue a romance with Thane. I found him much more interesting and compelling. I fell for him the moment he dropped out of that vent and snapped that mercs neck. *longing sigh* I just hope we can find a cure for him in ME3, otherwise I think I'll really cry.

*applaudes* Well done Bioware, you made me fall in love with some pixels on my tv screen.

Modifié par Missi Moonshine, 30 janvier 2010 - 10:25 .

[Ewing5150]

I felt that way about Ash when I saw her on Horizon. She was so freaking emotional that I just wanted to slap her. And here this whole time after the end of ME1 when she said "No, You'll have to come back to hear what I have to say.." THATS IT!?

[yoshibb]

Does anyone understand the hell these three have been through? Garrus, Tali, and Wrex moved on just fine for the most part, but Liara and Ash/Kaiden seem to have really suffered. I haven't read Ash's email but Kaiden's seemed to say that he had just recently move on. Two years later, and the only thing he's done is go out to get drinks with someone. Your death ripped a hole in him and he probably blamed himself for leaving you on that ship when you went to get Joker.



And Liara couldn't even let you go in death. She went to find your body to bring you back to life. She stopped the Collectors from taking your body and doing who knows what. But she also handed you over to Cerebus because she was so desperate. And I was only close friends with her. She did all that for a friend. How can you possibly be mad at her for being a bit cold after what's she's been through?



Again, they've been through hell, but they will come around eventually because they still love you. Was there initial anger, yes, but Shepard's been gone for two years. Like what was said above. I believe TIM purposely set up these meetings to go badly, so Shepard would turn to his side.



Sorry bud, it ain't happening.

[The BS Police]

I am attempting to stay loyal to Liara in Mass Effect 2 only due to hope that she will play a larger role in Maass Effect 3 like she did in the first game. If it doesn't work out though then Tali would be next in line.

[Nightvision91]

Ewing5150 wrote...

I felt that way about Ash when I saw her on Horizon. She was so freaking emotional that I just wanted to slap her. And here this whole time after the end of ME1 when she said "No, You'll have to come back to hear what I have to say.." THATS IT!?

I had the same feeling pretty much when I saw Ash on Horizon. I just went through hordes of Collectors, and all you can say is how disappointed you are that I'm with Ceberus? That made me go to Miranda even with the message that you get afterwards.

[eriaa]

I have a question if anyone can answer this for me. After seeing how my LI was in ME2, I couldn't wait to cheat on them. It made me want to go back and do a play through with no romance at all. So I have a save from my last ME1 play through that I set up for ME2, right before Virmire. I have romanced Ashley at this point, just need to get to the love scene. If I let her die, will my import be considered no romance?



Tali was just too awesome in ME2 not to romance, and I really want to have a save going into ME3 where she's my only interest.

[Ewing5150]

Nightvision91 wrote...

Ewing5150 wrote...

I felt that way about Ash when I saw her on Horizon. She was so freaking emotional that I just wanted to slap her. And here this whole time after the end of ME1 when she said "No, You'll have to come back to hear what I have to say.." THATS IT!?

I had the same feeling pretty much when I saw Ash on Horizon. I just went through hordes of Collectors, and all you can say is how disappointed you are that I'm with Ceberus? That made me go to Miranda even with the message that you get afterwards.

Yeah, I kinda thought the whole 'Look at the bigger picture' line would make her understand.

And to the post above me, I kind of want to do the same thing. But I feel like if I start off with no romance, I'll get attached to Ash again. And honestly, its SO not worth it with the LI's in ME2 in the picture now.

Modifié par Ewing5150, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:11 .

[klix333]

I never really liked Ash. She was just the best of the two in the first. Besides, I think Jack can take her if it comes to that in the third game.

[Nightvision91]

My question is for those who did cheat on their LI's from ME1 if they felt bad about it? I sort of did when I got the email, and then saw the picture of Ash turned down in Shepard's quarters.

[epoch_]

Faerlyte wrote...

 Clever or not, they're putting way too much stock in the ME1 LIs. Some people didn't romance any of them because they didn't like the choices they got, so the whole "testing your loyalty" thing is not applicable. Not to mention, regardless of whether or not I understand they're point of view, if I'd been in a relationship with someone, died, came back two years later and that was the reception I got...I'm sorry, but that's over in my books. I don't owe them anything, certainly not my faithfulness to a relationship that's quite clearly not there anymore. 

Even as we're supposed to understand their point of view, as a supposed significant other, that blade cuts both ways. They should be making an effort to understand Shepard's circumstances - not throwing a tantrum and running away. To me, that shows a complete lack of trust. 

Tali trusts Shepard and Shepard's judgement despite Cerberus, which to me is the trump card. She's making Kaiden and Ashley look bad, I don't care what anybody says. To be honest, this whole drama/angst thing is so overdone from the romantic angle that I could vomit. It's the most common thing in any love story and it really needs to go. All relationships have there little problems that need ironing out, but they're not all some catastrophic event either. One would hope that these people, supposedly being adults, would be more mature than that.  

But back to the fact that I didn't want to romance any of the ME1's LIs and would like for my ME2 LI to have as much relevance as the ME1's. I'm not cheating on anyone, so why should I get penalized? 

I've got more loyalty to the comrades that have been with me since the beginning, i.e. Tali and Garrus. They'll follow you through hell and back, no matter what, because they trust you. I can't help feeling more empathy towards them. They've got a bond that's unparalleled, having been through, not one, but two adventures together with the last being suicidal. That kind of loyalty is unmatched. 

QFE.

Ashley really pissed me off. I got a save where I'm loyal to her just to see how that story will play out, but Tali was reasonable enough to look past Cerberus.

She's my new LI for my "main" shephard. I hope they'll bring her and Garrus back as teammates in ME3.

[Felix Golden]

I would have felt much more stunned or disheartened if the LI i was really interested in was truely an option in ME1, despite her mask!

[TuringPoint]

Da Mecca wrote...

Indeed.


Liara's case is just sad. She's changed so much she's not the same woman my Shep fell in love with anymore.

Consumed by anger, driven by hate. I walked away from her office truly stunned at what she's become. She said she wouldn't become her mother but she's so close it's not even funny.

Her mother was possessed by indoctrination.  Everything else about her was admirable.

Some people are upset by her apparent change, I love it.  I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with her and the shadow broker.  I suspect that'll be an important part of how ME3 plays out.

Modifié par Alocormin, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:31 .