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[NoUserNameHere]

I never thought of it like that. Probably because I was too busy taking that stupid elevator down to chat with Tali.



The fact that your interest from the first game shows up all of once here was one of my only major storyline gripes with the game. Of course, not showing up much here means that they can show up in game 3 without fear of nasty death on the suicide mission.

[Faerlyte]

Kalfear wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

BW's way of trying to get their fans to "move on" as well, just like the ME1 LI's did. Want to stay loyal? Well, first these ME1 LI's are going to beat you with a stick. Profusely. Then BW will dangle new LI's in your face who will toss you carrots. XD

I never romanced any of the ME1 LI's, but I can definitely understand the disappointment.  Heck, I was disappointed with how it was handled.

Im not disappointed with that actually

Im disappointed that the new love interests have about as much emotional detail involvemnt to them as me lookimg at a spoiled apple!

I mean there is no connection to be made at all with the new LIs, they literally there for a the cheep bang cause your not going to form a relationship cause some hot chick whined about her father for a whole space trip.

There is no interaction with the LIs in ME2. Its just listen to me whine and now lets goto bed.

Sorry but ive come to expect more from Bioware on this front, expecially after Morrigan and LEilianna reset the bar so freaking high with their relationships.

I have to disagree on this point. I thought the romantic scene with Garrus and FemShep was a lot more meaningful and sincere that ME1's fling with Kaiden. The ME1 LI didn't move me at all, whereas Garrus did. I would go so far as to say that BioWare exceeded my expectations in ME2's romance department even. 

Modifié par Faerlyte, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:11 .

[epoch_]

Kalfear wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

BW's way of trying to get their fans to "move on" as well, just like the ME1 LI's did. Want to stay loyal? Well, first these ME1 LI's are going to beat you with a stick. Profusely. Then BW will dangle new LI's in your face who will toss you carrots. XD

I never romanced any of the ME1 LI's, but I can definitely understand the disappointment.  Heck, I was disappointed with how it was handled.

Im not disappointed with that actually

Im disappointed that the new love interests have about as much emotional detail involvemnt to them as me lookimg at a spoiled apple!

I mean there is no connection to be made at all with the new LIs, they literally there for a the cheep bang cause your not going to form a relationship cause some hot chick whined about her father for a whole space trip.

There is no interaction with the LIs in ME2. Its just listen to me whine and now lets goto bed.

Sorry but ive come to expect more from Bioware on this front, expecially after Morrigan and LEilianna reset the bar so freaking high with their relationships.

It sounds like you just didn't like the Miranda love plot...

Way to generalize.

Modifié par epoch_, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:15 .

[yoshibb]

Faerlyte wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Does anyone understand the hell these three have been through? Garrus, Tali, and Wrex moved on just fine for the most part, but Liara and Ash/Kaiden seem to have really suffered. I haven't read Ash's email but Kaiden's seemed to say that he had just recently move on. Two years later, and the only thing he's done is go out to get drinks with someone. Your death ripped a hole in him and he probably blamed himself for leaving you on that ship when you went to get Joker.

And Liara couldn't even let you go in death. She went to find your body to bring you back to life. She stopped the Collectors from taking your body and doing who knows what. But she also handed you over to Cerebus because she was so desperate. And I was only close friends with her. She did all that for a friend. How can you possibly be mad at her for being a bit cold after what's she's been through?

Again, they've been through hell, but they will come around eventually because they still love you. Was there initial anger, yes, but Shepard's been gone for two years. Like what was said above. I believe TIM purposely set up these meetings to go badly, so Shepard would turn to his side.

Sorry bud, it ain't happening.

That's all find and dandy, except I didn't romance anyone as FemShep, Kaiden died, and Ashley was still acting like a douche - it wasn't because she loved me and was heartbroken over my death. I get a strong feeling like I'm being shoehorned into the ME1 love interests bandwagon, like that's what I'm supposed to do or what is considered the canon route, so my choosing not to romance anyone from ME1 alters the intended design of the scene. I get a bunch of whining while the rest of my team are behind me. 

I think it's pretty weak. 

I'm not really sure I understand why you are upset then. It seems like you weren't that close to Ash in the first place and yet you expect her to trust you and follow you along on the mission. If they are a love interest they are more conflicted because they are closer to your character. If your character is just friends then they probably doubt your character even more. 

It's not like it's hurting your experience or anything. You see Ashley for a minute, tell her to **** off if you want to, and that's it. You won't experience anything dealing with cheating in Mass Effect 3, but you didn't really want to deal with those characters, did you? This little scene is basically for the people who had a love interest in the first game. And if you didn't, then romance whoever you want in ME 2 with a guilt free conscience. 

[Rathias0114]

Maybe I missed something in all my playthroughs of ME1 - but I definatly feel more of a connection with the LI's of ME2 than I did with the first game.



The only LI from ME1 that I respect would be Liara's - and that's because I know of what she did for me. From my perspective, she was the ONLY genuine friend I had from the original game. No one else except her delved into what happened to me.



You have to TRY to not get into a relationship in ME1 - it's "let's have four conversations and then screw" is how I saw it. The only time I actually felt that the relationship between Shep and Ash was real was when she confronted him on Horizon and the following email - that's it. Nothing in the original game did that for me.



I thought the LI's were really well done - but I'm also one of the few who enjoy scanning. Maybe I'm weird - but my relationship with Miranda did a lot more for me than my conversations with Ashley - especially with how I played it. I didn't trust her in the beginning - but after her loyalty mission, I couldn't help but fall in love with her.



There wasn't anything like that in the original ME - it was "let me **** about aliens on the ship, recite poetry, and cry about how my family has been disgraced" over the course of four talks and then it was "Well that's a new twist to drop and give me 20".



I also think a lot of people aren't giving the new LI's their due. I think a lot of people are in love with Tali because the relationship between the two got to develop over the course of two games - Miranda/Jacob/Mordin,etc's didn't. Same with Garrus. Had the LI's from this game been in there - I think a lot of people would view them differently.



My two cents.

[Isaantia]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

I would have liked to have an option to send return emails myself. It might have made it easier on some people if they had the option to send an email of 'I still love you' or 'This is over'.

I agree. You can kind-of have that coversation with Kelly at least, but its not the same. I can see maybe not sending out messages before your main mission is complete, but after the suicide mission is done you should be able to send a message you that you defeated the Collectors and dumped Cerberus  or w/e you ended up doing.

[TheGuv]

I thought Tali and Jack were far more interesting romantic subplots than those in the original game, especially when the loyalty missions were approached as part of them.  It also makes a hell of a lot of sense with Tali finding Shepard even more attractive after that speech you can give if you're a hardcore paragon.

However, my favourite character by an absolute light year was the salarian.  I pissed myself when he openly rejected my "advances".

[SunnyYu]

I thought when BW said that your choices would matter from the fir.t game, I thought LI would be one of those things that would really be incorporated into ME2. But no matter what the decisions regarding love interest in the first game was, you still get a cold shoulder from Ash, and Liara still only gives you 5 seconds of sympathy...

[ratzerman]

SunnyYu wrote...

I thought when BW said that your choices would matter from the fir.t game, I thought LI would be one of those things that would really be incorporated into ME2. But no matter what the decisions regarding love interest in the first game was, you still get a cold shoulder from Ash, and Liara still only gives you 5 seconds of sympathy...

Liara gives you a lot more than 5 seconds of sympathy.  Not only did she save you from the Collectors and give you a second chance at life, but she also ruined her own life to do it.

[Carthson]

I agree. It gives you the choice to stay faithful to your love interest in Mass Effect 1, or to pursue a fling/"break up"

I myself stayed loyal to Ashley, and as a result, Shepard stares at her picture before the suicide mission.

[catgirl789]

After reading this thread I changed my opinion a lot on how ME1 LIs were treated in ME2. The e-mail from him was a nice touch, as much as I wanted to remain
faithful to my LI, I would've ran into either Thane's or Garrus' arms
if I hadn't recieved that little spark of hope. I still wish I could have interacted with Kaiden beyond Horizon. Even just a simple return e-mail would've been ok, and I fully expected to contact him after the picture scene to tell him I was about to go on the mission. Still I fully expect Bioware to make up the lack of interaction with all Shep's respective ME1 LI's in ME3, which I can't wait for!<3

Edit: Actually I think that I hated the lack of interaction even more because the developers made a big point about saying the ME1 LIs would have an important role in the game. I guess they did emotionally but not really in any other way gameplaywise.

Modifié par catgirl789, 31 janvier 2010 - 03:03 .

[DarthRic]

planguy wrote...

I'm hoping there isn't any reprecussions from moving on from your Mass Effect 1 love interest other then possible hurt feelings on your former paramours side.

I believe I heard somewhere that there is reprecussions, I stayed with ashley williams despite temptation (alot of the LI in ME2 were quite interesting and well done I though) so I'm hoping that we get ash back on our team in ME3 or at least she plays a more important roll or is there for the epilogue etc
Also if they give us a completly new crew for ME3 I will be annoyed, however I will be equally annoyed if we just keep the same crew.... I want some ME1 party people back dammit

Modifié par DarthRic, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:40 .

[Nightvision91]

I sort of didn't view Ash as a LI in the game. It was sort of more like a hookup that left the door open, but nothing happened. So I wouldn't consider my Shepard hooking up with Miranda cheating.



I felt my Shepard matched better with Miranda due to what both of them had gone through.

[Carthson]

SunnyYu wrote...

I thought when BW said that your choices would matter from the fir.t game, I thought LI would be one of those things that would really be incorporated into ME2. But no matter what the decisions regarding love interest in the first game was, you still get a cold shoulder from Ash, and Liara still only gives you 5 seconds of sympathy...

She doesn't really shoot you down, but you can't expect her to jump your bone like that, could you? She's pissed that you're working with Cerberus. It's understandable. Afterward I got a personal message from her, which implies she still has feelings for Shepard. I'm hoping I can continue that in Mass Effect 3

[ilikeicehockey]

ratzerman wrote...

SunnyYu wrote...

I thought when BW said that your choices would matter from the fir.t game, I thought LI would be one of those things that would really be incorporated into ME2. But no matter what the decisions regarding love interest in the first game was, you still get a cold shoulder from Ash, and Liara still only gives you 5 seconds of sympathy...

Liara gives you a lot more than 5 seconds of sympathy.  Not only did she save you from the Collectors and give you a second chance at life, but she also ruined her own life to do it.

Not her whole life. She's only 102. Still got another 900+ years to fix it.

But I do see where you're coming from. She's the only one who actually went out to look for you. Having her as an LI in the first game just made that much more powerful.

Modifié par ilikeicehockey, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:42 .

[SunnyYu]

Yes, but that has nothing to do with any of the choices made from the first game. No matter what path you took, you end up at the same place. And specifically regarding the second game's interaction between the characters and Shepard only, not the filler storyline between the two year gap of Shepard's "death" and "revival."

[Oestaira]

omg Kaidan broke my poor little geth slaughtering heart.

How will I ever carry on..? Suppose I'll just have to find solace in Garrus'...er...insect/reptile claw appendages.

[Driveninhifi]

OldMan91 wrote...

I tried reverse engineering their file formats to look at the dialogue, but I haven't finished. It'll take a bit of time. I did see references to Liara-based DLC. They could do a lot to solve all these issues with a DLC where you team up with her to take down the Shadow Broker, and I really hope they do so.

What? Are you serious? References to Liara-based DLC? WHAT?

Yeah, a bunch of references on Illium to "Liara DLC-lead-in" - it's not even hidden very well. I think there's even stuff in the file names if you take a look. If this isn't you and her taking down the Shadow Broker together, I'll be very, very, very disappointed. There's also a ton of files for another party member named Kasumi.

I still don't buy Liara's change. I would think that seeing Shepard in person and being told "I don't hate you" would help towards removing a whole lot of her anger, or at least make her question it. Said DLC would be an excellent place to resolve a lot of this though! I hope they actually acknowledge the relationship and let you talk about it though.

[ratzerman]

SunnyYu wrote...

Yes, but that has nothing to do with any of the choices made from the first game. No matter what path you took, you end up at the same place. And specifically regarding the second game's interaction between the characters and Shepard only, not the filler storyline between the two year gap of Shepard's "death" and "revival."

Did you get to see her breakdown scene?  It explains a lot..... www.youtube.com/watch

[ilikeicehockey]

Driveninhifi wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

I tried reverse engineering their file formats to look at the dialogue, but I haven't finished. It'll take a bit of time. I did see references to Liara-based DLC. They could do a lot to solve all these issues with a DLC where you team up with her to take down the Shadow Broker, and I really hope they do so.

What? Are you serious? References to Liara-based DLC? WHAT?

Yeah, a bunch of references on Illium to "Liara DLC-lead-in" - it's not even hidden very well. I think there's even stuff in the file names if you take a look. If this isn't you and her taking down the Shadow Broker together, I'll be very, very, very disappointed. There's also a ton of files for another party member named Kasumi.

I still don't buy Liara's change. I would think that seeing Shepard in person and being told "I don't hate you" would help towards removing a whole lot of her anger, or at least make her question it. Said DLC would be an excellent place to resolve a lot of this though! I hope they actually acknowledge the relationship and let you talk about it though.

So its normal for companies to already have the DLC in place and then just release the activation program to you? so wouldn't it be possible for us to crack the since we do own the game and what's installed on our computer is ours?

[SunnyYu]

ratzerman wrote...

SunnyYu wrote...

Yes, but that has nothing to do with any of the choices made from the first game. No matter what path you took, you end up at the same place. And specifically regarding the second game's interaction between the characters and Shepard only, not the filler storyline between the two year gap of Shepard's "death" and "revival."

Did you get to see her breakdown scene?  It explains a lot..... www.youtube.com/watch

Yes, but it has nothing to do with your choices made in the first game. Whatever the choices that you may have made in the first game, the basis of the scene was already determined to be seperate from your choices made on the previous game.

Modifié par SunnyYu, 31 janvier 2010 - 03:12 .

[LOST_PriNcEsS_]

I just wanted to bring something up... Yes, people are hurt about how the ME1 romances (including myself) were handled because they are looking at it from their Shepard's point of view.



Yet, this game clings so hard to the idea of "loyalty." It's the recurring theme throughout the entire game, and all the squad sidequests. You spend all this time building a team of strangers and people who lived on the edge, on the finges of society, and prove your worth to them so they'll trust you.



It's seems hypocritical, in a way, (not that I'm saying people shouldn't have done it) if you're not loyal to the ME1 romance. But hopefully that loyalty will be rewarded, or I will also lose a LOT of respect for BW.

[Carthson]

LOST_PriNcEsS_ wrote...

I just wanted to bring something up... Yes, people are hurt about how the ME1 romances (including myself) were handled because they are looking at it from their Shepard's point of view.

Yet, this game clings so hard to the idea of "loyalty." It's the recurring theme throughout the entire game, and all the squad sidequests. You spend all this time building a team of strangers and people who lived on the edge, on the finges of society, and prove your worth to them so they'll trust you.

It's seems hypocritical, in a way, (not that I'm saying people shouldn't have done it) if you're not loyal to the ME1 romance. But hopefully that loyalty will be rewarded, or I will also lose a LOT of respect for BW.

This ^

I agree all the way.

[Brahlis]

Staying loyal ...



You all (guys) need to quit being a bunch of European cigarettes and bed one of the ME2 LI's. They're so much better and don't throw an irrational tantrum on you.

[Carthson]

Brahlis wrote...

Staying loyal ...

You all (guys) need to quit being a bunch of European cigarettes and bed one of the ME2 LI's. They're so much better and don't throw an irrational tantrum on you.

The point of a roleplaying game is just that. I made my character a loyal paragon

Modifié par Carthson, 31 janvier 2010 - 03:45 .