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[Booster008]

TL;DR. Enjoy playing your pirated copy.

[grumpymooselion]

Darth_Shizz wrote...
Excuse me? This thread shouldn't exist, the forum is saturated with them as it is. Having an opinion is fine. Feeling that you're special enough to warrant creating a new thread in which you do nothing but whine in an incredibly childish manner however...not so much.

Things you don't like shouldn't exist? Sorry, but, welcome to reality, where your ideal is in fact not representative of actuality.

I'm also quite sick of people like you, who accuse any opinion that is not their own opinion, of being whiny and immature. Regardless of how a person puts their dislikes, you people still call it whining simply because they are not on their knees praising the game.

News flash.

The game is good.

News flash.

Despite the game being good, it has real and various issues.

News flash.

The game took features of the last game and replaces or simply removed them.

News flash.

Just like some of the features of the First Game were not to everyone liking, surprise surprise . . . some of the New Features of This Game are not going to be to everyone's liking.

News flash.

Just because something's new, doesn't mean it's better.

News flash.

Just because you like something, doesn't mean it's good.

News flash.

Your opinion of the game, this thread, and everyone and everything else . . . is no more important or valid than his, mine, that guy's, hers and whoever that dude over there is.

No, people didn't decide to sit down and discuss the opening post like balanced and free-thinking adults. I'm not entirely sure they should have to in threads like these though.

Threads like these where someone rented the game, played it, decided to come on the forum and post about it? For shame how he came on a ME2 game board to talk about ME2. For Shame.

Wishpig wrote...

If a person is offended
by a negitive comment or gets upset someone has a diffrent opinion they
deserve a good spanking... and not in the pleasent sexual way.

That's just disturbing.

I
think what most people are upset about is that if an author doesn't
bring anything new to the table they should not make a new thread.
There are well over a hundred threads that the author could have posted
this in, rather he created his own thread.

They posted their opinions on some of the new features of the game. How's the author supposed to know there are other threads on it? Use the search function? Wait. We don't have one. That's right. You're one of those people that actually expect everyone to slog through pages upon pages of threads that may or may not be titled aptly, as if they'll know right where a thread on the subject they're discussing is located by some form of hive mind communication.

News flash.

We don't have a search function. This is the result. Don't blame the author for a basic function of a forum not being present.

It bogs down the forum and buries many intresting or question threads beneath loads of threads which are the same damn thing.

And you're an expert on "intresting" threads I take it? And you know exactly what everyone's taste in thread is, and speak for all of them too, right?

Guys, this guy seems legit, his opinion obviously represents all our opinions. Get right on shutting up about every possible subject we might discuss, because "this guy" can do it all on his own for us. In fact, he doesn't even need us, we're all just worker drones in his own private hive.

KingDan97 wrote...

Time Spiral wrote...

Hey, guys.

I'm
usually in the DA:O forums, but am getting pretty hyped about ME2, so I
figured I'd jump on over for a bit. But I must say ...

WTF is going on over here?!

So
the OP is all rustled up because they chopped some of his favortie
features. So he didn't have a very articulate way of expressing
himself, and was not very constructive, so what? We're not all badasses
of the English language. And constructive criticism is a skill, not a
given. My question is this: Why in the hell are there nearly two pages of people from the ME community telling this guy to F-Off?!

I seriously expected a more ... open community
than this. Now granted, not all told him to F-Off, some offered a
little bit of feed back, but they were the minority here.

I
haven't played the game yet, and am very excited to do so. So I don't
have much feedback at this point. But, the unlimited ammo change ...
doesn't that conflict with the lore? I'm sure they cover this though ...

He
was reffering to the infinite shot setups. Where you could basically
just rubberband down the right trigger at a door and win.

He
wasn't posting constructive criticism, he was whining. Whining about
design choices that have been known for quite a few months now. He was
complaining because the annoying restrictive inventory is gone and he's
complaining because there's not fifty weapons with the same model and
feel. He's complaining because things are moving forward and evolving.

He's
basically taking a "I want to go back to the middle ages" stance. He
said he rented it today, he's had maybe three or four hours with it and
he's already making final judgments on it with that little information.

Most
importantly, he's come here just to say that he's not buying the game,
which is not only arrogant, because Bioware didn't get any money from
him so far anyway, but also just makes him look like an ass.

Whining. I always love this. Everyone with any opinion that doesn't perfectly match up to some glorious mold is whining. Everything is QQ and Emo and Whining and Crying with you people. Even though it's not. Calling things any of those mentioned things is just your fun, and not at all new, way of saying,

"I don't think this guy is right, so I'm going to use a word or a couple of letters in order to sully his provided view of things in the hopes that others will agree with me for fear of also being called whiners, or whatever word I decided to use."

Calling him arogant was a nice touch, given that . . . well, that shoe fits you rather well too. Never mind that he pointed out legitimate flaws in the game like . . . the Scanning. Going through and doing that through one entire play through . . . I think I can back up what he said by providing my own opinion on planet scanning:

"It's slow, tedious and boring."

There. Done.

[jpetrey123]

umm i am pretty sure the majority of this board is 18 and up. if you want the little kids board you can go to gamefaqs with your tears. they will shed tears with you, and you can flood the digital world of gamefaqs with your whiny complaints.

[kab]

You're an idiot, the game is good.



It takes two steps forward, three back in a lot of ways. I have my share of complaints, but it's still more than worth $50 and far more value than you get out of 9/10 other games.

[Orogenic]

Good post Janan, right on the money. I'd say most of the kids posting in this forum have an overwhelming sense of entitlement... worrisome if that is, in fact, representative of an entire generation.

[death2player1]

i agree i hate how there is not as much weapons and armor and shops have hardly anything kind of annoying

[Permutation]

That sucks. I somewhat agree. I really liked being able to apply mods to any weapon/armor for desired stats. It made the game that much more "my own experience", instead of there being no choice but to purchase a predefined "upgrade". I also made great use of the inventory system in the first game, and I thought it was intelligently designed for the most part. The only thing that was slightly annoying was the omni-gel. I haven't even really used the new armor customization all that much because so far I've only come across one piece of armor, and I'm already on Illium (you'll know when you play the game). I miss stumbling across a rare armor or weapon drop by chance after hacking a container or a locker, what have you. Finding items other than just ammo and credits made the "world" feel more alive, in my opinion; like life in the galaxy went on as normal at some point. Like people existed and mattered without any knowledge of Shepard and the whole Mass Effect story, and these are things left behind. Like a footprint. I remember picking up Exar Kun's battlesuit on Dantooine (I think...) in KotOR, and thinking to myself. "Holy sh**. This guy mattered. This is the guy that initiated the Great Sith War and seduced Ulic to the Dark Side." I kept the armor for the whole game, even if I had no intention of using it after acquiring better armor. Anyway. I guess the point is, I'm really enjoying ME2, but I'd enjoy it a lot more if they had retained ME1's functionality and variability for weapons/armor/items.

Modifié par Permutation, 29 janvier 2010 - 01:42 .

[Darth_Shizz]

Janan Pacha wrote...

Things you don't like shouldn't exist? Sorry, but, welcome to reality, where your ideal is in fact not representative of actuality.

That's not quite it.

I'm all for voicing opinions. However, there is, believe it or not, a right way to go about it.

If you go through the post, there's either very little substance there, or substance which you have to really grasp at before you can find it; he calls reloading "BS", then states how it worked in ME1...how is this constructive? Calling it "basically a lazer!" isn't really the best way to argue against change. 

Now I have to go through the annoying task of scanning every inch of every planet to find resources to upgrade my stuff? I hate it. (Im not saying that driving around in the Mako on only a kilometer of each planet and finding resources that immdiatelt converted into cash was any better but atleast there were thrasher maws and occasional geth to shoot at)

Similar idea here. I see what's being said, however, why is finding the occasional maw and geth more enjoyable than planet scanning? Is it because the former was not tied to upgrades so you didn't always feel compelled to do it? Is it because you don't get to explore? Is it simply because it was a by-product of losing the looting system? Going into the details here is preferable if you want people to understand what you're trying to get at.

I dont even have that much stuff to upgrade, I bet there are under 50 diff weapons in the game now compared to a 1000 from the first. And the same goes with armor, nothing changes for any of my characters. everything always looks the same*, it makes the game seem even more linear than the annoying mission system. 

Offering up some evidence to support this (in relation to ME1) = +1.

ME1 had a few recycled weapon models with different skins (not including the geth rifle). Same went for the armour. There were also more guns, however, they were slight variations on the same weapon, and were ultimately thrown out for spectre weapons, which you could pick up 1/4 of the way into the game. The weapon progression in ME2 is a step up from that of the first game. Much better pacing gives a far better sense of growth. Isn't ME1's system of going from Terminator IV to Spectre IV, then buying a new spectre weapon every few levels far more linear in this case?

*Explaining why you feel that nothing changes aesthetically for your characters, despite each having their own outfit and Shepard having the choice of completely customising armour, would be a good idea. 

more linear than the annoying mission system.

That's a fair point.

In the last game I got in fights on the Citadel, now unless its a mission in a hostil zone I can expect nothing.

The hostile zones are still part of the hub (or wherever) you find them. What you need to be clearer about is why you don't like it...which I assume, is because it's a form of instancing and makes the world feel more confined? If this is the case, SAY IT. Trying to pick up inferred criticisms isn't much fun for anyone.

 

I dont even know what to say about the rest of the game, but it feels like shepard weighs a ton and moving round feels clumbsy and slower than Mass Effect 1. 

Another highly subjective point, one which doesn't look particularly good considering the tone of what comes above.

Maybe its EA's fault, I never liked the games they made. But seriously, you guys need better game testers, maybe some that aren't sheep and actually know what to look for in games.
But I can asure you this, I'm getting back my 5 dollar reservation on this game.

This is just unnecessary: baseless insults aimed at BioWare, their staff, and those that enjoy ME2. Top that off with the insinuation that you are the one that knows "what to look for in games", and all these posts decrying the "new target demographic" start to look rather silly. So much for a sense of entitlement eh?



Edit*

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/788014

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/791845

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/791509

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/796655

All hot threads. Adding a well weighed argument to this lot is the best course of action by far.

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 29 janvier 2010 - 02:51 .

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[grumpymooselion]

Darth_Shizz wrote...

Janan Pacha wrote...

Things you don't like shouldn't exist? Sorry, but, welcome to reality, where your ideal is in fact not representative of actuality.

That's not quite it.

I'm all for voicing opinions. However, there is, believe it or not, a right way to go about this.

If you go through the post, there's either very little substance there, or substance which you have to really grasp at before you can find it; he calls reloading "BS", then states how it worked in ME1...how is this constructive? Calling it "basically a lazer!" isn't really the best way to argue against change.

Maybe so. And yet, in saying what I've said, you've just responded to every inch of his post - no matter your opinion of said post. More importantly you've attempted, at least, to make your responses somewhat intelligent. This is essence is the point of a goading post, to incite response to his post that was something more than . . . well, the things some of the initial responses put forth.

[V72]

DisappointedFan117 wrote...

I can understand making a game a little simpliar toexpand the age group and get more people to play, but this is ridiculous.

Where did you find this information? Also paragraph your ****ing and moaning.

[Darth_Shizz]

Janan Pacha wrote...

Maybe so. And yet, in saying what I've said, you've just responded to every inch of his post - no matter your opinion of said post. More importantly you've attempted, at least, to make your responses somewhat intelligent. This is essence is the point of a goading post, to incite response to his post that was something more than . . . well, the things some of the initial responses put forth.

I can see that entirely. Believe me, I'm not here to shoot down everything I see that goes against my own ideas. I'm not even going to say that I feel the 3 pages of responses were right. However, I'll stand by what I said about such topics being created...they annoy me, not because of the opinions presented in them so much (I'd personally prefer to read one that was more easy on the eyes and a bit more explicit in the points being made ;p), but because 9 times out of 10, they just act as flame-bait.

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 29 janvier 2010 - 03:13 .

[Time Spiral]

Greetings, again.

I don't have a ton of experience with game forums. I've frequented several other types and have come to find that you have two umbrella categories: philosophy and function.

I didn't know what to expect with the BW Social Forums. I was hoping for more of a Function feel. A function forum has a much more warming, and welcome feel to it. People helping people, sharing, and you know ... lots of warm fuzzies. Philosophy forums generally become d*&# measuring contests, and people saying "your opinion is wrong, because ..."

And you absolutely CANNOT have a P-forum without the ubiquitous calling of: This thread should not exist, because of reason A, B, C, D and so on ... It's comical, to me (read: opinion).

STORY TIME (we all love a good story, right?!)
I was / am part of a site called toolarmy (dot) com. Most probably have not heard of it, no worries. But, they tried something a little against the grain. They had this obscure ranking and point system that classified each user. Each new user was branded with a pathetic little icon, and called a neophyte, or Acolyte, some other noob-ish term. Pretty funny. Each using had limited number of Karma Points that you could use to praise, or denounce each other user with. Here's the point: you could not create a new thread until you were classified as a Mystagogue (which for a casual browser could either never be achieved, or take about a year to achieve), and had a sufficiently positive Karma rating.

The Idea: By the time you could create threads on the main board, and were not widely considered a supreme dousche (Karma), you would have an idea of how the site works, and what was, or wasn't appropriate to post as governed by social tendancies. Neat concept, right? Lots of people think there are things you should and shouldn't create new threads for, right? So ... seems like a good experiment.

The effect: It was unanimously, and unequivocably an EPIC FAILURE (or a resounding success, depends on your team). You would still get amazing amounts of duplicate content-posts, insanely asinine daily posters, quality topics getting burried, and a plethora of wasted space.

The Reality: We're on a forum. There is a "create topic" button at the very top of these darned things. Sticky topics gravitate towards the front page, mods erase truly innappropriate topics/content, and the majority of threads get drowned into oblivion except for the dedicated few who hit the subscription button and feel compelled to continue a conversation/discussion. **** and ****** to me, is cake and wine to someone else.

A.) Fun story? B.) Terrible? C.) Innappropriate? D.) Didn't read it?


So, we all share some common ground: Bioware. Too bad we're all also self-important, delusionally entitled clowns (kidding ).

[D00MRoar]

DisappointedFan117 wrote...

I can understand making a game a little simpliar toexpand the age group and get more people to play, but this is ridiculous. I've rented Mass Effect 2 and I am exstremly dissappointed. First off, you took away the best parts of Mass effect 1.
Now i have to reload? this is BS. What happened to searching for the best possible weapon of a class from shops to find the one with the coolest name and best stats? And then putting up to three diffirent upgrades on it to make it awesome. I had an assault rifle in the first game that I never had to reload, never overheated and never lost accuracy. It was basically a lazer! It took two playthroughs and a lot of customizing to make it. Now I have to go through the annoying task of scanning every inch of every planet to find resources to upgrade my stuff? I hate it.
(Im not saying that driving around in the Mako on only a kilometer of each planet and finding resources that immdiatelt converted into cash was any better but atleast there were thrasher maws and occasional geth to shoot at)
 I dont even have that much stuff to upgrade, I bet there are under 50 diff weapons in the game now compared to a 1000 from the first. And the same goes with armor, nothing changes for any of my characters. everything always looks the same, it makes the game seem even more linear than the annoying mission system. In the last game I got in fights on the Citadel, now unless its a mission in a hostil zone I can expect nothing. I dont even know what to say about the rest of the game, but it feels like shepard weighs a ton and moving round feels clumbsy and slower than Mass Effect 1.
Maybe its EA's fault, I never liked the games they made. But seriously, you guys need better game testers, maybe some that aren't sheep and actually know what to look for in games.
But I can asure you this, I'm getting back my 5 dollar reservation on this game.

Totally disagree with you. Hope this is the last time you post. Bye Bye

[Orogenic]

D00MRoar wrote...

Totally disagree with you. Hope this is the last time you post. Bye Bye

Are the people responding like this just children (I hope!) or is ignorant intolerance status quo these days?

[Bigeyez]

relhart wrote...

Remmak wrote...

I have a constructive idea. If you dislike the game so much, go to school and learn to make games yourself. Much better results than telling random people who don't know you that you aren't going to buy the game. I will warn you from personal experience though, this route is a lot of work. Effort=outcome?

Or at least offer input on what you think would have improved it, not just complain about what you think they did wrong.

He dosen't need to.  Bioware can't make games without money from their fans, the fanboys and &^%$suckers might not appreciate his issues with the game.  I know Bioware appreciates reasonable feedback though, and rest assured there is a shackled bean counter somewhere in the bowels of EA's black tower taking notes.

Your right and the vast majority of the fans LOVE the changes made to the game! So heres to Mass Effect 3 further improving upon them!

[Bigeyez]

Orogenic wrote...

D00MRoar wrote...

Totally disagree with you. Hope this is the last time you post. Bye Bye

Are the people responding like this just children (I hope!) or is ignorant intolerance status quo these days?

People are responding to this poorly written thread in the manner in which it was written. Besides theres already 1674526194358275148 threads along the same lines and yet another one with the same dull reasoning and "zomgz they took my sto0fs" reasoning adds nothing to the already ongoing discussion.

[NerdofSteel85]

Mass Effect 2 rules. That's all there is to it.

[dodger187]

Remmak wrote...

I have a constructive idea. If you dislike the game so much, go to school and learn to make games yourself. Much better results than telling random people who don't know you that you aren't going to buy the game. I will warn you from personal experience though, this route is a lot of work. Effort=outcome?

Or at least offer input on what you think would have improved it, not just complain about what you think they did wrong.

Nice how free speach and critic on a game is handled here.
I am proud being a human.

[dodger187]

Bigeyez wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

D00MRoar wrote...

Totally disagree with you. Hope this is the last time you post. Bye Bye

Are the people responding like this just children (I hope!) or is ignorant intolerance status quo these days?

People are responding to this poorly written thread in the manner in which it was written. Besides theres already 1674526194358275148 threads along the same lines and yet another one with the same dull reasoning and "zomgz they took my sto0fs" reasoning adds nothing to the already ongoing discussion.

Truly. I see many people in a forum tell that the game is great. But not one human i know in person says so. Strange.
Oh sorry. The game is great. But ME 1 is much much better they say.

[Bigeyez]

dodger187 wrote...

Bigeyez wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

D00MRoar wrote...

Totally disagree with you. Hope this is the last time you post. Bye Bye

Are the people responding like this just children (I hope!) or is ignorant intolerance status quo these days?

People are responding to this poorly written thread in the manner in which it was written. Besides theres already 1674526194358275148 threads along the same lines and yet another one with the same dull reasoning and "zomgz they took my sto0fs" reasoning adds nothing to the already ongoing discussion.

Truly. I see many people in a forum tell that the game is great. But not one human i know in person says so. Strange.
Oh sorry. The game is great. But ME 1 is much much better they say.

Because clearly you know the entire gaming population right? I'd say the high scores (higher then ME 1) and what are presumably going to be millions of copies sold speak enough for themselves. As per your other post. You don't have Free Speech on the internet, sorry.

[Apophis2412]

Stop the whining please.

[njmessy]

10 minutes well spent there.

[TheTWF]

I wish more people would low rate these threads.

[Erakleitos]