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[SurelyForth]

errant_knight wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I know you can talk to Leliana about what you plan on doing after everything is over, and it feels like the two of you come to an agreement to stay together and travel (I imagine these adventures involve a lot of shoe-shopping and even more giggly nights playing dress-up).

And even if you do talk to Alistair about your future, there are no definites unless you ask after he's hardened and made king- he'll say that he has to think about it (although, if he's hardened, the implication is that it's less whether or not you'll be together and more how that will work).

How does that work? After landsmeet, aren't you already either his fiancee, broken up, or his future mistress?

If you have that conversation before the Landsmeet, there are no definites and if he's not king there are never any definites until the end of the game.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 04 mars 2010 - 06:18 .

[errant_knight]

SurelyForth wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I know you can talk to Leliana about what you plan on doing after everything is over, and it feels like the two of you come to an agreement to stay together and travel (I imagine these adventures involve a lot of shoe-shopping and even more giggly nights playing dress-up).

And even if you do talk to Alistair about your future, there are no definites unless you ask after he's hardened and made king- he'll say that he has to think about it (although, if he's hardened, the implication is that it's less whether or not you'll be together and more how that will work).

How does that work? After landsmeet, aren't you already either his fiancee, broken up, or his future mistress?

If you have that conversation before the Landsmeet, there are no definites and if he's not king there are never any definites until the end of the game.

Yes, but I don't understand what he needs to think about if it's already been decided at landsmeet.....

[SurelyForth]

errant_knight wrote...
Yes, but I don't understand what he needs to think about if it's already been decided at landsmeet.....

Ah, good point. There's a glitch there that I'm so used to that I've forgotten that it makes no sense in the game. The triggers for hardened Alistair not on the throne defaults back to the pre-Landsmeet dialogue ("Arl Eamon wants to make me King at the Landsmeet...I'll have to think about that") while unhardened Alistair who is on the throne pulls from the hardened dialogue ("King or no king, I'll find a way to make this work.") I was casting my mental net too wide and pulled those examples when I shouldn't have and my wording was unclear.

Before the Landsmeet, you don't get a definite answer on where the relationship is going. After the Landsmeet, I don't know why you can even ask, really.

Focusing on Zevran for a minute- it's been a long time since I got the second earring/proposal, but isn't that a pretty clear indication that you'll be together if you accept it?

Modifié par SurelyForth, 04 mars 2010 - 06:38 .

[ejoslin]

SurelyForth wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I know you can talk to Leliana about what you plan on doing after everything is over, and it feels like the two of you come to an agreement to stay together and travel (I imagine these adventures involve a lot of shoe-shopping and even more giggly nights playing dress-up).

And even if you do talk to Alistair about your future, there are no definites unless you ask after he's hardened and made king- he'll say that he has to think about it (although, if he's hardened, the implication is that it's less whether or not you'll be together and more how that will work).

How does that work? After landsmeet, aren't you already either his fiancee, broken up, or his future mistress?

If you have that conversation before the Landsmeet, there are no definites and if he's not king there are never any definites until the end of the game.

My point is he knows YOUR feelings, and that you made a commitment to him. If you say to someone, "As long as we're together, that's all that matters," they may take it for granted that you mean that.  Alistair is the one who can't commit, the Warden can either make it really clear she's in it with him for the long run, or she breaks up with him at that point.

And errant_knight, no, we're talking about if Alistair is not made king.  Then post-landsmeet, there's no discussion.

Anyway, with Zevran, he makes no assumptions.  He actually is very insecure about the relationship, which is one of those funny contrasts between Alistair and Zevran, how you'd expect it to be the opposite.  But he doesn't need to be prodded along or lead to wanting to be there -- he wants to be there, make no mistake.  And it's apparent by his reactions to what the warden says when he asks if he can come.  And in fact he DOES ask, he doesn't wait to be asked.  

Edit: And, oh, with the second offer of the earring/proposal, if you turn it down, he breaks up with you.  Yes, he has made his feelings very clear there.  And again, he asks to come with you.  He just doesn't assume you want him there.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 mars 2010 - 06:49 .

[errant_knight]

Okay, thanks guys.... I was having a 'that does not compute' moment.

[Shadvox]

I wish that they would fix the glitch where no earring shows in your inventory when you choose to accept it the second time as an agreed upon proposal. Better, a mod showing you wearing it--during a cutscene back in the tent! Ooo, wouldn't that be romantic? Zev using his hand to brush back your hair in intimate moment to see it sparkling, something both of you could smile over?

Sighs, I worked for that darn earring, and since we'll be separated in Awakening (which makes no sense at all if staying true to his character that will NEVER see your back left exposed to danger...unless you've given him a 'task' of helping the new king out because once the Blight is over the pesky nobles will start up their usual **** again,) it'd be nice to have.

Hmm, who would pay for a DA:O DLC romance pack? One where you could take a break to hang out with your significant other/lover in cozy setting between gory, life and soul threatening missions. Lets see, Ali in the castle, or if not king on your new estate/Grey Warden Commander's pad. Zev with a plush to the nines treehouse on edge of the Dales, etc... Well, will never happen, still it's fun to imagine.

[Ramante]

Shadvox wrote...
Hmm, who would pay for a DA:O DLC romance pack? One where you could take a break to hang out with your significant other/lover in cozy setting between gory, life and soul threatening missions. Lets see, Ali in the castle, or if not king on your new estate/Grey Warden Commander's pad. Zev with a plush to the nines treehouse on edge of the Dales, etc... Well, will never happen, still it's fun to imagine.

Count me in!

[errant_knight]

Ramante wrote...

Shadvox wrote...
Hmm, who would pay for a DA:O DLC romance pack? One where you could take a break to hang out with your significant other/lover in cozy setting between gory, life and soul threatening missions. Lets see, Ali in the castle, or if not king on your new estate/Grey Warden Commander's pad. Zev with a plush to the nines treehouse on edge of the Dales, etc... Well, will never happen, still it's fun to imagine.

Count me in!

I wouldn't mind one that included more relationship development, but I wouldn't want it to take place outside an adventure framework. After all, there's nothing like shared danger and wreaking mutual havoc to bring a couple closer together.

[Ramante]

errant_knight wrote...

Ramante wrote...

Shadvox wrote...
Hmm, who would pay for a DA:O DLC romance pack? One where you could take a break to hang out with your significant other/lover in cozy setting between gory, life and soul threatening missions. Lets see, Ali in the castle, or if not king on your new estate/Grey Warden Commander's pad. Zev with a plush to the nines treehouse on edge of the Dales, etc... Well, will never happen, still it's fun to imagine.

Count me in!

I wouldn't mind one that included more relationship development, but I wouldn't want it to take place outside an adventure framework. After all, there's nothing like shared danger and wreaking mutual havoc to bring a couple closer together.

It would be great if it was like Shale. A companion you get with the DLC. Though it has to be a pretty big DLC if you want to have it for all possible romances.

[SurelyForth]

Ramante wrote...

It would be great if it was like Shale. A companion you get with the DLC. Though it has to be a pretty big DLC if you want to have it for all possible romances.

Well, it would only be three full stories and the bone tossed to those who romanced Morrigan;  a few hours of the Warden staring longingly through a window pane at a happy family eating dinner or something, just wondering where it all went wrong.

[errant_knight]

Ramante wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Ramante wrote...

Shadvox wrote...
Hmm, who would pay for a DA:O DLC romance pack? One where you could take a break to hang out with your significant other/lover in cozy setting between gory, life and soul threatening missions. Lets see, Ali in the castle, or if not king on your new estate/Grey Warden Commander's pad. Zev with a plush to the nines treehouse on edge of the Dales, etc... Well, will never happen, still it's fun to imagine.

Count me in!

I wouldn't mind one that included more relationship development, but I wouldn't want it to take place outside an adventure framework. After all, there's nothing like shared danger and wreaking mutual havoc to bring a couple closer together.

It would be great if it was like Shale. A companion you get with the DLC. Though it has to be a pretty big DLC if you want to have it for all possible romances.

I think it's cost prohibitive. We're not going to see all the characters back unless DA2 continues directly from DA1, or if they build a truly massive expansion. There's no way they can afford to put all those actors in a DLC, or afford to have the game designers spend time working all the possible romances into the story.

[Ramante]

errant_knight wrote...

Ramante wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Ramante wrote...

Shadvox wrote...
Hmm, who would pay for a DA:O DLC romance pack? One where you could take a break to hang out with your significant other/lover in cozy setting between gory, life and soul threatening missions. Lets see, Ali in the castle, or if not king on your new estate/Grey Warden Commander's pad. Zev with a plush to the nines treehouse on edge of the Dales, etc... Well, will never happen, still it's fun to imagine.

Count me in!

I wouldn't mind one that included more relationship development, but I wouldn't want it to take place outside an adventure framework. After all, there's nothing like shared danger and wreaking mutual havoc to bring a couple closer together.

It would be great if it was like Shale. A companion you get with the DLC. Though it has to be a pretty big DLC if you want to have it for all possible romances.

I think it's cost prohibitive. We're not going to see all the characters back unless DA2 continues directly from DA1, or if they build a truly massive expansion. There's no way they can afford to put all those actors in a DLC, or afford to have the game designers spend time working all the possible romances into the story.

I know, so I just keep dreaming.

[errant_knight]

Heh, hope does spring eternal....

[SurelyForth]

I feel sorry for those who romanced Leliana and Zevran and won't be seeing them in Awakening (well, I'm feeling sorry for myself since one of my PC's is in a relationship with Leliana). Assuming he's alive, Alistair will probably always be somewhat integral to any plot that takes place in Ferelden immediately after the Blight, so he can't be hand-waved away as easily as the others. At least we'll get some (watered-down) interaction.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 04 mars 2010 - 07:52 .

[Carol L S]

Ugh, Zevran by a longshot!  Alistair has that goofy grin on his face! YUCK!  Just the thought of it *shiver*

[Shadvox]

Like said, will never happen. Still, it would be a fun little 'vacation' DLC.

As for cost though? If given the chance, how many people wouldn't pay for it? Probably a ton less than those who would. $5 to $15 dollars when your customers cover the globe does add up.

They could make individual mini DLCs based on the NPC. Not a huge, all encompassing whomper, but people picking and choosing which. The creators already have the NPCs built after all, just a matter of building a house or whatever location to pop into. As well as all these private people coming up with mod additions would have a field day, create their own universe around it I'd imagine.

And let's face it, swank swords/weapons and armor are cool, but there have been segments of DA:O where I just had to go back to camp for a kiss at least (bah) because my nerves were shot with all the constant Go! Go! Go! action and needed a break, cool down the mental gears a bit before venturing out again.

Hum, most likely reason it will never happen is because folks would go to heck with the big games, I'm going to spend all my stress-relief time after work here!

Again though, just flight of imagination here, no serious belief will ever come about at all. I mean seriously, they can't even fix the earring or no Ancient Elven boots glitch. Still, the idea is a fun one!

[ejoslin]

My guess is there will be a decent nod to all the relationships -- my guess is the writers like the characters as much as we do. But really, also, think of the backlash if the relationships aren't treated seriously. They want to keep putting out expansion packs and DLC for awhile yet -- they're not going to blow off half their fans.



Seriously, how many Zevran or Leliana fans would be so furious they quit buying expansions if they aren't treated well? And I have to believe that there are a few of us out there.



And YES, I wish they'd fix that thing with the earring. Grrrrrrrr. Gah, they obviously put a lot of work into the whole second earring proposal option . . . *sigh* The sweetest moment in the game, I swear. SO beautiful.

[Sable Rhapsody]

ejoslin wrote...
My guess is there will be a decent nod to all the relationships -- my guess is the writers like the characters as much as we do. But really, also, think of the backlash if the relationships aren't treated seriously. They want to keep putting out expansion packs and DLC for awhile yet -- they're not going to blow off half their fans.

Hmm.  I'd like to be optimistic, and I know DA:O and ME2 were done by different BIoWare teams.  But in ME2, the "leading" party members, namely Jacob and Miranda, had more to their romances as well as their in-game dialogue than the other romance interests did.  Which has really hacked off some people on the ME forums.

In DA:O, I did get the feeling that Alistair and Morrigan, as the "leading" party members, got romances that had a little more content and were much better integrated into the overall story.  Hopefully the other LIs won't get shafted in subsequent expansions/DLC the way that the non-leading LIs in ME2 did.

And I understand the need for leading NPCs in a game, but I wish it wouldn't spill over into content disparity between romances.  As far as I'm concerned, my dwarven commoner completely forgot Alistair's existence because she was so gaga for Zevran, and Garrus was my FemShep's partner, lover, and second-in-command.

[ejoslin]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
My guess is there will be a decent nod to all the relationships -- my guess is the writers like the characters as much as we do. But really, also, think of the backlash if the relationships aren't treated seriously. They want to keep putting out expansion packs and DLC for awhile yet -- they're not going to blow off half their fans.

Hmm.  I'd like to be optimistic, and I know DA:O and ME2 were done by different BIoWare teams.  But in ME2, the "leading" party members, namely Jacob and Miranda, had more to their romances as well as their in-game dialogue than the other romance interests did.  Which has really hacked off some people on the ME forums.

In DA:O, I did get the feeling that Alistair and Morrigan, as the "leading" party members, got romances that had a little more content and were much better integrated into the overall story.  Hopefully the other LIs won't get shafted in subsequent expansions/DLC the way that the non-leading LIs in ME2 did.

And I understand the need for leading NPCs in a game, but I wish it wouldn't spill over into content disparity between romances.  As far as I'm concerned, my dwarven commoner completely forgot Alistair's existence because she was so gaga for Zevran, and Garrus was my FemShep's partner, lover, and second-in-command.

Hmmmm.  Since both Zevran and Leliana could be killed, I can understand why their romances aren't more integral to the party.  Both Alistair and Morrigan, no matter what, are there from start to (almost) finish, usually.  I think Zevran's romance, though, actually may have a bit more content.  A lot more romance starting lines, though maybe it's just that the lines that are there had more of an impact on me.  Well, I am buying awakenings, and if the romances are not handled decently, I'm sure I'll scream on the forums a lot, complain bitterly, swear to never buy another bioware product (until the next one comes out), and most likely be over with playing DA: the future expansions.  But I have faith in the writers.  Faith that was dashed a little with RtO, but we'll see.

I am not expecting a cameo (I'm pretty sure it's already been stated that there won't be one), but you don't need voice actors for a kiss goodbye, for a few letters, etc.  I'm hoping!

[L0n3w0lf1971]

i stick with Alistair myself (cant resist a virgin lol) Zevran is a slapper and will sleep with anybody and i do mean anybody was funny when i was a dwarf (male noble) and told Gorim i was in love with a elf

[Sable Rhapsody]

ejoslin wrote...
Hmmmm.  Since both Zevran and Leliana could be killed, I can understand why their romances aren't more integral to the party.  Both Alistair and Morrigan, no matter what, are there from start to (almost) finish, usually.  I think Zevran's romance, though, actually may have a bit more content.  A lot more romance starting lines, though maybe it's just that the lines that are there had more of an impact on me.  Well, I am buying awakenings, and if the romances are not handled decently, I'm sure I'll scream on the forums a lot, complain bitterly, swear to never buy another bioware product (until the next one comes out), and most likely be over with playing DA: the future expansions.  But I have faith in the writers.  Faith that was dashed a little with RtO, but we'll see.

I am not expecting a cameo (I'm pretty sure it's already been stated that there won't be one), but you don't need voice actors for a kiss goodbye, for a few letters, etc.  I'm hoping!

That's actually a good point, that Zev and Leliana can be killed.  I guess the reason why I worry is that in ME2, Tali, Jack, Garrus, and Thane CAN'T be killed, at least not until the clusterbomb of doom that is the final mission, you have to recruit most of the party members, and yet they STILL got shafted on content.  Meh.  Hopefully the writers of DA:O are better about it.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 06 mars 2010 - 02:12 .

[ejoslin]

L0n3w0lf1971 wrote...

i stick with Alistair myself (cant resist a virgin lol) Zevran is a slapper and will sleep with anybody and i do mean anybody was funny when i was a dwarf (male noble) and told Gorim i was in love with a elf

You know, Alistair will sleep with any race as well (though only females) and it doesn't matter what you make the face look like, right?  And you also know that Zevran is just as faithful as Alistair once romanced?  In fact, maybe more faithful as he won't have to worry about making a future heir.

[ejoslin]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Hmmmm.  Since both Zevran and Leliana could be killed, I can understand why their romances aren't more integral to the party.  Both Alistair and Morrigan, no matter what, are there from start to (almost) finish, usually.  I think Zevran's romance, though, actually may have a bit more content.  A lot more romance starting lines, though maybe it's just that the lines that are there had more of an impact on me.  Well, I am buying awakenings, and if the romances are not handled decently, I'm sure I'll scream on the forums a lot, complain bitterly, swear to never buy another bioware product (until the next one comes out), and most likely be over with playing DA: the future expansions.  But I have faith in the writers.  Faith that was dashed a little with RtO, but we'll see.

I am not expecting a cameo (I'm pretty sure it's already been stated that there won't be one), but you don't need voice actors for a kiss goodbye, for a few letters, etc.  I'm hoping!

That's actually a good point, that Zev and Leliana can be killed.  I guess the reason why I worry is that in ME2, Tali, Jack, Garrus, and Thane CAN'T be killed, at least not until the clusterbomb of doom that is the final mission, you have to recruit most of the party members, and yet they STILL got shafted on content.  Meh.  Hopefully the writers of DA:O are better about it.

I haven't played ME or ME2.  If the romances were handled badly, that is worrisome.  But I'm still hoping!  Really, that the writers are here on the forums gives me more hope than anything.

[Sabriana]

I'm just hoping the RtO DLC wasn't an indication of devs to change certain NPCs, and play-styles. Sorry, but Zevran was OOC. A silent -3 for depriving the darkspawn of their trophy? What?

Wynne was..., well, the less said, the better. Alistair was remarkably blase about Ostagar, especially because he constantly breaks down in mental anguish when just only hearing someone say "Duncan" in the OC.

The PC looks anguished and sad at seeing Cailan. Really? Would a dwarf feel that way about a human king? A dwarf might feel bad about Cailan's fate, but not regard Cailan as "her/his King".

A dalish? Especially one who told Cailan "You are not my king, human." Mine would take Cailan down for various reasons, but not because she thinks he deserves special treatment. Or a CE, who had to suffer greatly under Cailan/Anora. Would she really be all broken up over "her king"? I very much doubt it.

What about my HN rogue who told Duncan point-blank that she thought Cailan was a fool? She would take him down, she would call him her king, but I can imagine her shaking her head sadly in an "I told you so" manner, not all broken up like the PC in RtO.

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

I'm just hoping the RtO DLC wasn't an indication of devs to change certain NPCs, and play-styles. Sorry, but Zevran was OOC. A silent -3 for depriving the darkspawn of their trophy? What?

Wynne was..., well, the less said, the better. Alistair was remarkably blase about Ostagar, especially because he constantly breaks down in mental anguish when just only hearing someone say "Duncan" in the OC.

The PC looks anguished and sad at seeing Cailan. Really? Would a dwarf feel that way about a human king? A dwarf might feel bad about Cailan's fate, but not regard Cailan as "her/his King".

A dalish? Especially one who told Cailan "You are not my king, human." Mine would take Cailan down for various reasons, but not because she thinks he deserves special treatment. Or a CE, who had to suffer greatly under Cailan/Anora. Would she really be all broken up over "her king"? I very much doubt it.

What about my HN rogue who told Duncan point-blank that she thought Cailan was a fool? She would take him down, she would call him her king, but I can imagine her shaking her head sadly in an "I told you so" manner, not all broken up like the PC in RtO.

Zevran is actually worse than that -- +2 approval for leaving his body up.  Someone who says, "Fighting the blight, I cannot think of anything I have done that is so worthy . . ."  I really wonder what the writers were thinking.  It does worry me.  It also paints Alistair in a horrible light.  If you leave the body up, he's yelling at you, giving severe disapproval, but something like that, why would he just not cut the body down himself?  Most of the time, even when he's disapproving, I can see why he goes along with the Warden, but in that case, I can see him being pissy, telling the warden he'd catch up, and doing it himself.  And I see Alistair as pretty spineless.

Even the flashbacks, many of the battle ones, the warden could not have seen.  And I agree so much on the dialog choices and how broken up the Warden is.  

*grin* I do do the expansion for the additional daggers.  I like DW daggers, and makes it easier when my Warden is a DW rogue and keeps Zevran in the party!  I just pretend it's a bad dream sequence!  Ah, RP.