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[Valmy]

Metopholus wrote...

Well the end result is the same really: the council sucks no matter if it's the old one or the new human run one. if the option is there i will remain with Cerberus in the future. say what you will about them but they get things done. the council only got in the way of me getting things done.

Um...the whole point of being a Spectre is that they do not get in your way.  How have they gotten in your way?  Anyway Cerberus slaughtered my unit on Akuze so while they do indeed get things done we do not always agree with what they want to do.

[xMister Vx]

I kind of agree with Enoch here. They seem to be there for the sole purpose of making politicians look bad, but they do have a rational explanation for their behaviour.

Legally speaking, reinstating Shepard as a Spectre means a lot, which is why I went with that option. I'm sure it will play a role in ME3.

[Valmy]

xMister Vx wrote...

I kind of agree with Enoch here. They seem to be there for the sole purpose of making politicians look bad, but they do have a rational explanation for their behaviour.
Legally speaking, reinstating Shepard as a Spectre means a lot, which is why I went with that option. I'm sure it will play a role in ME3.

Yep being a Spectre is a big deal legalwise.  If I have to return to Council Space in the future I want to be ready.

[ToshiStation38]

xMister Vx wrote...

I kind of agree with Enoch here. They seem to be there for the sole purpose of making politicians look bad, but they do have a rational explanation for their behaviour.
Legally speaking, reinstating Shepard as a Spectre means a lot, which is why I went with that option. I'm sure it will play a role in ME3.

Yeah. I definitely think the writers wanted you to dislike the Council. I just got this feeling that Cerberus were the only ones who could help me.

[hgroce15]

Wrexercise wrote...

Hated them in the first game but saved them anyway. Hate them even more in ME2.

Agreed, I was really tempted to let them die in ME1. But being a Para, I knew I had to save them, and show how trustful humans could be. When I talked to them in ME2 I was like WTF are you smoking, and my character's opinion of them completely changed. I accepted the reinstatement to be the "good little soldier", but I have now shifted my focus from saving the council's sorry rear to focusing on saving everyone else's rear.

Personally I love playing Paragon in ME2. BW did a good job of making you think on several of the choices. Its not so much of being a goody goody as it is in ME1. Now its do you play nice with the Alliance and the Council or do you play nice with Cerebrus. In ME2 I can now make a Para choice for Cerebrus, but it would be a Renegade choice for the Council and vice versa. I love that there is now two entities that you have to deal with. My Para knows that Cerebrus isn't all sunshine and cookies, but neither is the Council. At least Cerebrus is trying to help the entire Universe. Granted they only care about the Humans, but by saving the Humans from the Reapers they are also saving every other species. 

I'm just loving how many different ways there are to play the same type of char!

[Thompson family]

Cerberus is evil. My character is a survivor of Akuze. I'm keeping my options open. As Shepard said, no use burning any bridges. I'll probably die anyway.

In the end, I have to agree with Councilor Anderson: Frustrating as it is, what I do is important.

Modifié par Thompson family, 28 janvier 2010 - 10:59 .

[xMister Vx]

Yes, well, that's one area of ME that certainly could use improvement. But, honestly, with BioWare's portrayal of the Council everywhere (read some planet descriptions), it looks like they're never going to make them more than what they are.



I still think it's a rational choice, because it simply helps keeping the current system stable - at the very least. If you didn't save the Council, the tension is almost palpable, hell, the Turians even started arming themselves. The last thing you want while fighting for the galaxy is that kind of trouble on the home front. At least like this they stay put and Shepard's got their official backing. It's the smart choice.

[rumination888]

Metopholus wrote...

Grounding the Normandy for one. they might have had a slightly good argument for doing it but it almost caused the destruction of the Galaxy. plus in general they were just too thick headed on things. i also played sole survivor. i think back to what Miranda told Tali when she was mad about Cerberus blowing up one of their ships or something. it was nothing personal. i don't know the purpose of the research that was done on the thresher maws on Akuze but i didn't take it personally.

I believe its Udina that got the Council to ground you. Hes the one with the lockdown codes afterall. I view it as Udina getting in my way.... and that fool seems to love getting in my way.

[unclee]

Udina was indeed the one who had you grounded. Which is why I always chose for Anderson to go to Udina's office. The satisfaction in that punch was enough to get me to cheer the first time I saw it.

[Pathogen69]

unclee wrote...

Udina was indeed the one who had you grounded. Which is why I always chose for Anderson to go to Udina's office. The satisfaction in that punch was enough to get me to cheer the first time I saw it.

same for me.  i cheered anderson when i saw him cold-**** udina in the first one.

[Ktauliss]

For me it made sense for them to doubt me initially, after all I was a new factor and they did not completely trust my abilities. That brings up the question of why make me a Spectre if they don't trust my judgment but politically understandable. However, ....... after a while as evidence mounted their unwillingness to 'consider' that I might be right came to the edge of making my Paragon swear.



I save their collective lives, they get an up close and personal view of the danger posed by 'One' Reaper and they STILL don't believe me?!!!!



GAH!!!



Willful Ignorance is just as bad as true Stupidity in a Politician, ...... And just as inevitably terminal.

[Pathogen69]

Ktauliss wrote...
Willful Ignorance is just as bad as true Stupidity in a Politician, ...... And just as inevitably terminal.

rofl.  new forum signature inc!

[Ktauliss]

Pathogen69 wrote...

Ktauliss wrote...
Willful Ignorance is just as bad as true Stupidity in a Politician, ...... And just as inevitably terminal.

rofl.  new forum signature inc!

Glad I could be of Help

[ChandlerL]

hmm.. Odd, when I originally went to speak to Anderson, he said the council wouldn't speak to me so I never saw them throughout the game. Did I miss something? Could I have visited Anderson more than twice and realized a meeting with the council?



Interested since I'm on my second playthrough and with the intent of experiencing other parts of the story.

[Keltoris]

My Femshep to the Council come ME3.

[Aethelwulf1066]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

It's strange. My Paragade Shep went in to the game expecting not to trust Cerberus at all, but before I knew it I was doing N7 missions for them and helping them. I refused Spectre reinstatement, and told the Council to screw off. Same with Kaidan (male Shep, no romance). I mean, I know the Illusive Man isn't a saint, but I don't believe he's a monster either. Between the Council, the Alliance, and Cerberus, I'd have to choose Cerberus.

I've hated the Alliance/Council since the first game. For starters, they were pompous, racist politicians. They treated you like crap throughout the whole game. I chose to let them die on all my playthroughs except one.

Went back to the Presidium(sp?) on the imported save where I rescued the council, and they still treat you like crap. I mean, you died, and they ripped your reputation apart like rabid dogs...after all you did for them. Anderson is no different either. I only wish there was an option to kill the council in this game.

And that's not even counting their complete unwillingness to realize the Reaper problem, which has been slapping them in the face since an actual -Reaper- attacked the Citadel. They do have pieces of Sovereign, but they won't study it. They won't believe the guy who pulled their asses out of hot water. They do nothing to help the abducted colonists. I'm all for keeping the rank and file from panicking, but that doesn't mean you can't prepare for the coming storm. You do it quietly. It's better to prepare, than to not prepare at all.

The Council is ignorant, and I hope they pay for their blindness. I vote the Citadel goes bye-bye in ME3.

[Bebbe777]

Hope for the best, Prepare for the worst.

Something the council should learn.

[Ktauliss]

Keltoris wrote...

My Femshep to the Council come ME3.

I watched this, :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: *climbs back into chair*

[rumination888]

Aethelwulf1066 wrote...

I've hated the Alliance/Council since the first game. For starters, they were pompous, racist politicians. They treated you like crap throughout the whole game. I chose to let them die on all my playthroughs except one.

Went back to the Presidium(sp?) on the imported save where I rescued the council, and they still treat you like crap. I mean, you died, and they ripped your reputation apart like rabid dogs...after all you did for them. Anderson is no different either. I only wish there was an option to kill the council in this game.

And that's not even counting their complete unwillingness to realize the Reaper problem, which has been slapping them in the face since an actual -Reaper- attacked the Citadel. They do have pieces of Sovereign, but they won't study it. They won't believe the guy who pulled their asses out of hot water. They do nothing to help the abducted colonists. I'm all for keeping the rank and file from panicking, but that doesn't mean you can't prepare for the coming storm. You do it quietly. It's better to prepare, than to not prepare at all.

The Council is ignorant, and I hope they pay for their blindness. I vote the Citadel goes bye-bye in ME3.

Who said the Council isn't preparing for war? Theyve been preparing for war with the Geth for years. What game have you been playing? There is no rational proof that the Reapers are behind the Geth, rather than the Geth that are behind Sovereign. Only Shepard, Liara, Shiala, and the people he brought to Ilos know about the Reaper threat. It doesn't matter if they prepare for war against the Geth or the Reapers. The difference is nothing more than paperwork to them.

The blind and ignorant one is the one that allies themselves with Cerberus. Exactly how did the Illusive Man know about the Reaper threat in the first place? Only a fool would believe something without proof. And the Illusive Man is no fool. As far as Im concerned, the Illusive Man just wants Geth, Reaper, and Collector technology. To him, anyone that isn't human is an equal threat.

[ShadowAldrius]

They do have pieces of Sovereign, but they won't study it.

They do study it. Nothing implies that Sovereign was anything more than a very powerful Geth ship (it did EXPLODE... and most of the technology in the galaxy is based on Reaper tech anyway). They have no reason to think otherwise other than Shepard's word. And unlike Anderson, the council is not your buddy.



Really, I think their behaviour in ME2 makes sense... for the most part. The disappearance of human colonies isn't their problem. Particularly human colonies in the Terminus Systems. Sending their fleet in there would cause a war. Which, really, is the last thing Shepard should want anyway.



They're pretty much willing to do for you what they did in the first game: you're a spectre, you can go wherever you want and nobody loyal to the *council* can stop you. Problem is, in the Terminus systems, there aren't a whole lot of people loyal to the council. So what on earth is the council SUPPOSED to be doing that it's not? It could give you more equipment and resources I suppose, but you're working with Cerberus, which they don't like.



Honestly, the only council member who's really an ass is the Turian one. He's tactless, he's racist, he's cruel... but the Asari is pretty kind and fair, and diplomatic and the Salarian is pragmatic, and logical.

[Ktauliss]

I respectfully disagree. Simple comparison between Geth Ship wreckage (and they certainly should have enough of it in the wake of the Attack) and Sovereign would show that it is nothing like Geth Tech (which would be based on Quarian).

Sending a fleet into Terminus System would cause conflict, but what gives you the impression that 'all' the colonies attacked are there?

And you still don't get it do you? If your judgement and testimony are so lacking in Credibility WTF did they make you a Spectre in the first bloody place. Never mind that Liara can back up what you say and she is not tainted by association with Cerberus ......

[MerchantGOL]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

It's strange. My Paragade Shep went in to the game expecting not to trust Cerberus at all, but before I knew it I was doing N7 missions for them and helping them. I refused Spectre reinstatement, and told the Council to screw off. Same with Kaidan (male Shep, no romance). I mean, I know the Illusive Man isn't a saint, but I don't believe he's a monster either. Between the Council, the Alliance, and Cerberus, I'd have to choose Cerberus.

My feelings word for word

Ash deserved a back hand for ****ing me out like that:bandit:

[rumination888]

Metopholus wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

Metopholus wrote...

Grounding the Normandy for one. they might have had a slightly good argument for doing it but it almost caused the destruction of the Galaxy. plus in general they were just too thick headed on things. i also played sole survivor. i think back to what Miranda told Tali when she was mad about Cerberus blowing up one of their ships or something. it was nothing personal. i don't know the purpose of the research that was done on the thresher maws on Akuze but i didn't take it personally.

I believe its Udina that got the Council to ground you. Hes the one with the lockdown codes afterall. I view it as Udina getting in my way.... and that fool seems to love getting in my way.

If i understand things right Udina doesn't have any real power over Shepard. Spectres answer only to the council. he couldn't have kept the Normandy grounded without them backing him.

He has a lot of power over Shepard, actually. The Normandy and its crew are Alliance personnel, not Spectres. So while Shepard can't actually be officially detained, his crew can. Shepard is(was) also an Alliance marine, so while he may be above the law, he's not above his Alliance superiors.